(11-24-2013 02:34 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:21 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  FSU - none, Best Win 10-1 Clemson
Bama -none, Best Win 8-3 LSU
Ohio State - none, Best Win 9-2 Wisky

Clemson - 11-0 FSU, Best Win 7-4 Georgia
Auburn - 8-3 LSU, Best Win 8-3 TAMU
Ok State - 4-7 WVa (how did this happen), Best Win 9-1 Baylor
Mizzou - 9-2 South Carolina, Best Win 7-4 Georgia
Baylor - 10-1 Ok State, Best Win 9-2 OU
South Carolina - 8-3 Georgia and 4-7 Tennessee, Best Win 10-1 Mizzou
Stanford - 5-6 Utah and 8-3 USC, Best Win 9-2 Oregon
MSU - 8-3 Notre Dame, Best Win 8-3 Nebraska
Louisville - 9-1 UCF
Wisky - 11-0 Ohio State and 9-2 ASU*, Best Win 8-3 Minnesota
OU - 7-3 Texas and 9-1 Baylor, Best Win 8-3 ND

If you just look at the current records, FSU has the best win of the season followed by Ok State and South Carolina, beating Clemson, Baylor, and Mizzou - respectively. Oddly of the top teams, SC and Ok State have the two worst losses losing to crappy Tennessee and West Va teams.

FSU really should be the top team in the BCS, that is until Bama handles Auburn and Mizzou and in doing that, they should be number 1. No one in the B10 has a really good win this year, although the winner of the B10 Championship Game will have such a win.

The P12 and B12 have beat each other senseless this year.

The gift to ASU really hurts the B10 as well.

Talk about tunnel vision they play 12 games LP4. This is the crappiest apologetic for the ACC schedule I think I've seen. How many top 10, or 25 teams have the Seminoles played. What are the combined wins and losses of the teams they have played. I think Clemson has played or will play significantly more. And I never buy those who were ranked and have since gotten their butts whipped so many times they are no longer hanging around. Clemson is the only win of note the Noles have. The fact of the matter is the ACC as a whole is extremely weak this year. Clemson and F.S.U. belong in the top ten. Who else? Duke? Miami? Virginia Tech? I think not.

Whose apologizing for anything - do the facts offend you? I noted that Clemson's best win was over a now 7-4 Georgia team. I realize you think all SEC teams are better than the teams in any other conference and that the SEC is so special that even your crappy teams like Arkansas, Kentucky, Florida, are better than the best teams in all the other conferences - in your eyes. I understand how you perceive the world.

Does a South Carolina team that loses to Tennessee deserve to be in the top 10? What are Mizzou's great in conference victories this year and what are their great OOC victories.

In the SEC east you have the great teams of Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy, SC, and Mizzou. The last I checked, Mizzou lost to the second best team in their division and I don't remember a good win by UF, UK, UT, or Vandy this year.

Excuse me? What or when did I say the SEC was any better. I was merely pointing out that comparing teams by selecting 1 game out of each of their schedules is ridiculous. I think F.S.U. has a great team. I wasn't criticizing the team, just their schedule of which you selected 1 game. The comparison is what I was criticizing. You check out my posts and you won't find over zealous SEC statements. I enjoy most of your posts but selectively picking stats to bolster a position doesn't even pass the sniff test on logic. And since when have I personally attacked you? Read my post carefully all I attacked was the comparison and the conclusion that you drew from it that F.S.U. was deserving on the basis of one win. The only one looking at this with a bias is you.

(11-24-2013 02:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 01:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 12:14 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-23-2013 11:53 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2013 11:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Oregon, Baylor, Ohio State, and Florida State all had 1 thing in common, a weak SOS. I do think Florida State and Ohio State are for real because they are both very physical and have good size.

I posted early in the season that until Baylor played someone we wouldn't know for sure. They were out sized and physically beaten up tonight. Oregon proved to be another great runner up of scores against the less talented. Arizona physically whipped them just as surely as Stanford did.

This proves the ridiculousness of the polls even at this stage of the season. It also proves that the current way we run the Heisman award is equally absurd. We should wait until the season is over to make that award and it should go to the most outstanding football player period.

As I reflect back on this season Miami was highly ranked because Florida was just a name until the football season exposed them as a dumpster fire.

Clemson was highly ranked until Florida State beat them because they outscored their mirror image, Georgia by 3, a Georgia team that has now lost 4 games this season. Besides Clemson and an overrated Miami who has F.S.U. played? I do kind of feel sorry for the Buckeyes. They should sue the rest of the Big 10 for lack of support and they had no way to know that Cal who was pretty good when they scheduled them would be 1 -10 as things stand now. Normally the Buckeyes would have had at least 4 games of note on their schedule.

And finally, I have no idea how strong the SEC is yet. L.S.U. has had great bright spots and have had a couple of games they didn't show up for defensively. Alabama may still be great, but we don't know yet. I love Auburn and we have a great chance to outscore anyone, but we are not a championship team defensively. Missouri's proof will be in the pudding.

I say all of this to tender one hope for the future, that we eventually do away with the politics, beauty pageant, and ridiculous crap that are the polls. Move to 4 power conferences and let our champions play it out. That way truly undeserving teams will at least have to win against somebody else's champion before they sneak into a NCS game with an unproven schedule.

I don't understand why people keep throwing the "Georgia lost 4 games" out there. Have you looked at their schedule? They played Clemson, Missouri, LSU, South Carolina, and Auburn. That's ridiculous. No way they could go through that gauntlet with all of their injuries too. Georgia arguably would win the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12.

Georgia has an explosive offense and a defense worse than Auburn's. Injuries did hurt them, but that is part of the game. Great teams don't lose to Vanderbilt. The fact is they have 4 loses because they aren't complete. They are a mirror image of Clemson because of offensive potential and defensive weaknesses. Those two played a great game, an entertaining game, but both are incomplete teams. Clemson is just fortunate not to play an unforgiving schedule. Ditto for Texas A&M too.

UGA's defense does have some holes, but their injuries were ridiculous. Against Missouri and Vanderbilt they were playing without their two main running backs, their top 3 receivers and one of their backup receivers (with two receivers and one running back lost in the preceding Tennessee game). The first 5 produced almost all their scoring. Against Auburn they had one of the receivers back and one of the running backs returned, but not at full strength. It still took a fluke play for Auburn to beat them. With a rational amount of injuries, Auburn definitely beats Auburn and Vandy and may have beaten Missouri. (if they had halfway decent specials teams, they beat Vandy and Auburn despite the injuries).

Another apologetic from a poster who lives on "ifs and buts" and "candy and nuts". Auburn lost their attention twice with 20 point leads and no part of the ball ever crossed the goal line on the 4th down run by Murray. You got what you deserved. And the last time I checked, injuries were part of the game. Perhaps Georgia has more than other teams because of strength and conditioning deficiencies?

When it happens every year to Georgia it's not a fluke. You simply outscored L.S.U. and failed to outscore Auburn and Clemson. I'm not so sure Missouri doesn't beat you anyway. What I'll give you were some dicey calls in the Vanderbilt game. Like I said you've had a top notch quarterback and offense, but were far from a championship caliber team because of sieve for a defense.

There's no question in any objective view that the ball crossed the goal line on Murray's run. The question is whether his knee was down first and the camera angles don't answer that question. The injuries are definitely extraordinary and fluky. Gurley and Marshall, the 2 running backs, are prone to injury, but losing the whole receiving corps? Auburn just ran into a focused Aaron Murray in the 4th quarter as a lot of teams have. Georgia doesn't have 4 losses because they "aren't complete." They have 4 losses because they have lost (with Murray injured now) all 6 of their top offensive players, 4 for the season and one still well below 100%. And they lost 3 of them in the one game against Tennessee, just before their Missouri and Vanderbilt losses.

As for conditioning, they haven't had that many injuries overall. Just key ones.

(11-24-2013 02:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:34 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:21 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  FSU - none, Best Win 10-1 Clemson
Bama -none, Best Win 8-3 LSU
Ohio State - none, Best Win 9-2 Wisky

Clemson - 11-0 FSU, Best Win 7-4 Georgia
Auburn - 8-3 LSU, Best Win 8-3 TAMU
Ok State - 4-7 WVa (how did this happen), Best Win 9-1 Baylor
Mizzou - 9-2 South Carolina, Best Win 7-4 Georgia
Baylor - 10-1 Ok State, Best Win 9-2 OU
South Carolina - 8-3 Georgia and 4-7 Tennessee, Best Win 10-1 Mizzou
Stanford - 5-6 Utah and 8-3 USC, Best Win 9-2 Oregon
MSU - 8-3 Notre Dame, Best Win 8-3 Nebraska
Louisville - 9-1 UCF
Wisky - 11-0 Ohio State and 9-2 ASU*, Best Win 8-3 Minnesota
OU - 7-3 Texas and 9-1 Baylor, Best Win 8-3 ND

If you just look at the current records, FSU has the best win of the season followed by Ok State and South Carolina, beating Clemson, Baylor, and Mizzou - respectively. Oddly of the top teams, SC and Ok State have the two worst losses losing to crappy Tennessee and West Va teams.

FSU really should be the top team in the BCS, that is until Bama handles Auburn and Mizzou and in doing that, they should be number 1. No one in the B10 has a really good win this year, although the winner of the B10 Championship Game will have such a win.

The P12 and B12 have beat each other senseless this year.

The gift to ASU really hurts the B10 as well.

Talk about tunnel vision they play 12 games LP4. This is the crappiest apologetic for the ACC schedule I think I've seen. How many top 10, or 25 teams have the Seminoles played. What are the combined wins and losses of the teams they have played. I think Clemson has played or will play significantly more. And I never buy those who were ranked and have since gotten their butts whipped so many times they are no longer hanging around. Clemson is the only win of note the Noles have. The fact of the matter is the ACC as a whole is extremely weak this year. Clemson and F.S.U. belong in the top ten. Who else? Duke? Miami? Virginia Tech? I think not.

Whose apologizing for anything - do the facts offend you? I noted that Clemson's best win was over a now 7-4 Georgia team. I realize you think all SEC teams are better than the teams in any other conference and that the SEC is so special that even your crappy teams like Arkansas, Kentucky, Florida, are better than the best teams in all the other conferences - in your eyes. I understand how you perceive the world.

Does a South Carolina team that loses to Tennessee deserve to be in the top 10? What are Mizzou's great in conference victories this year and what are their great OOC victories.

In the SEC east you have the great teams of Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy, SC, and Mizzou. The last I checked, Mizzou lost to the second best team in their division and I don't remember a good win by UF, UK, UT, or Vandy this year.

Excuse me? What or when did I say the SEC was any better. I was merely pointing out that comparing teams by selecting 1 game out of each of their schedules is ridiculous. I think F.S.U. has a great team. I wasn't criticizing the team, just their schedule of which you selected 1 game. The comparison is what I was criticizing. You check out my posts and you won't find over zealous SEC statements. I enjoy most of your posts but selectively picking stats to bolster a position doesn't even pass the sniff test on logic. And since when have I personally attacked you? Read my post carefully all I attacked was the comparison and the conclusion that you drew from it that F.S.U. was deserving on the basis of one win. The only one looking at this with a bias is you.

JR - Your response speaks for itself. You seem to have taken great umbrage when all I did was list the top teams best win of the season, and their losses - they are what they are at this point.

So far this season FSU, Oklahoma State and South Carolina have the best wins - period - they have all placed the only loss on one loss teams. That's not an apology for the ACC as you wrote.

Wins against teams that continue to lose are problematic are they not? Bama's win against TAMU looked great at the time, but TAMU has lost twice since then. Bama's win against LSU is good win, but LSU has three losses do they not. While the SEC West is the best division in the country, the SEC east is not. The best OOC wins in the SEC east this year are over Indiana and UNC. That's nothing to crow about. Even the ACC Coastal has wins over Notre Dame, BYU, Navy, and ECU.

(11-24-2013 03:08 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:34 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:21 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  FSU - none, Best Win 10-1 Clemson
Bama -none, Best Win 8-3 LSU
Ohio State - none, Best Win 9-2 Wisky

Clemson - 11-0 FSU, Best Win 7-4 Georgia
Auburn - 8-3 LSU, Best Win 8-3 TAMU
Ok State - 4-7 WVa (how did this happen), Best Win 9-1 Baylor
Mizzou - 9-2 South Carolina, Best Win 7-4 Georgia
Baylor - 10-1 Ok State, Best Win 9-2 OU
South Carolina - 8-3 Georgia and 4-7 Tennessee, Best Win 10-1 Mizzou
Stanford - 5-6 Utah and 8-3 USC, Best Win 9-2 Oregon
MSU - 8-3 Notre Dame, Best Win 8-3 Nebraska
Louisville - 9-1 UCF
Wisky - 11-0 Ohio State and 9-2 ASU*, Best Win 8-3 Minnesota
OU - 7-3 Texas and 9-1 Baylor, Best Win 8-3 ND

If you just look at the current records, FSU has the best win of the season followed by Ok State and South Carolina, beating Clemson, Baylor, and Mizzou - respectively. Oddly of the top teams, SC and Ok State have the two worst losses losing to crappy Tennessee and West Va teams.

FSU really should be the top team in the BCS, that is until Bama handles Auburn and Mizzou and in doing that, they should be number 1. No one in the B10 has a really good win this year, although the winner of the B10 Championship Game will have such a win.

The P12 and B12 have beat each other senseless this year.

The gift to ASU really hurts the B10 as well.

Talk about tunnel vision they play 12 games LP4. This is the crappiest apologetic for the ACC schedule I think I've seen. How many top 10, or 25 teams have the Seminoles played. What are the combined wins and losses of the teams they have played. I think Clemson has played or will play significantly more. And I never buy those who were ranked and have since gotten their butts whipped so many times they are no longer hanging around. Clemson is the only win of note the Noles have. The fact of the matter is the ACC as a whole is extremely weak this year. Clemson and F.S.U. belong in the top ten. Who else? Duke? Miami? Virginia Tech? I think not.

Whose apologizing for anything - do the facts offend you? I noted that Clemson's best win was over a now 7-4 Georgia team. I realize you think all SEC teams are better than the teams in any other conference and that the SEC is so special that even your crappy teams like Arkansas, Kentucky, Florida, are better than the best teams in all the other conferences - in your eyes. I understand how you perceive the world.

Does a South Carolina team that loses to Tennessee deserve to be in the top 10? What are Mizzou's great in conference victories this year and what are their great OOC victories.

In the SEC east you have the great teams of Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy, SC, and Mizzou. The last I checked, Mizzou lost to the second best team in their division and I don't remember a good win by UF, UK, UT, or Vandy this year.

Excuse me? What or when did I say the SEC was any better. I was merely pointing out that comparing teams by selecting 1 game out of each of their schedules is ridiculous. I think F.S.U. has a great team. I wasn't criticizing the team, just their schedule of which you selected 1 game. The comparison is what I was criticizing. You check out my posts and you won't find over zealous SEC statements. I enjoy most of your posts but selectively picking stats to bolster a position doesn't even pass the sniff test on logic. And since when have I personally attacked you? Read my post carefully all I attacked was the comparison and the conclusion that you drew from it that F.S.U. was deserving on the basis of one win. The only one looking at this with a bias is you.

JR - Your response speaks for itself. You seem to have taken great umbrage when all I did was list the top teams best win of the season, and their losses - they are what they are at this point.

So far this season FSU, Oklahoma State and South Carolina have the best wins - period - they have all placed the only loss on one loss teams. That's not an apology for the ACC as you wrote.

Wins against teams that continue to lose are problematic are they not? Bama's win against TAMU looked great at the time, but TAMU has lost twice since then. Bama's win against LSU is good win, but LSU has three losses do they not. While the SEC West is the best division in the country, the SEC east is not. The best OOC wins in the SEC east this year are over Indiana and UNC. That's nothing to crow about. Even the ACC Coastal has wins over Notre Dame, BYU, Navy, and ECU.

Wait, hes serious.

(11-24-2013 02:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 01:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 12:14 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-23-2013 11:53 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-23-2013 11:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Oregon, Baylor, Ohio State, and Florida State all had 1 thing in common, a weak SOS. I do think Florida State and Ohio State are for real because they are both very physical and have good size.

I posted early in the season that until Baylor played someone we wouldn't know for sure. They were out sized and physically beaten up tonight. Oregon proved to be another great runner up of scores against the less talented. Arizona physically whipped them just as surely as Stanford did.

This proves the ridiculousness of the polls even at this stage of the season. It also proves that the current way we run the Heisman award is equally absurd. We should wait until the season is over to make that award and it should go to the most outstanding football player period.

As I reflect back on this season Miami was highly ranked because Florida was just a name until the football season exposed them as a dumpster fire.

Clemson was highly ranked until Florida State beat them because they outscored their mirror image, Georgia by 3, a Georgia team that has now lost 4 games this season. Besides Clemson and an overrated Miami who has F.S.U. played? I do kind of feel sorry for the Buckeyes. They should sue the rest of the Big 10 for lack of support and they had no way to know that Cal who was pretty good when they scheduled them would be 1 -10 as things stand now. Normally the Buckeyes would have had at least 4 games of note on their schedule.

And finally, I have no idea how strong the SEC is yet. L.S.U. has had great bright spots and have had a couple of games they didn't show up for defensively. Alabama may still be great, but we don't know yet. I love Auburn and we have a great chance to outscore anyone, but we are not a championship team defensively. Missouri's proof will be in the pudding.

I say all of this to tender one hope for the future, that we eventually do away with the politics, beauty pageant, and ridiculous crap that are the polls. Move to 4 power conferences and let our champions play it out. That way truly undeserving teams will at least have to win against somebody else's champion before they sneak into a NCS game with an unproven schedule.

I don't understand why people keep throwing the "Georgia lost 4 games" out there. Have you looked at their schedule? They played Clemson, Missouri, LSU, South Carolina, and Auburn. That's ridiculous. No way they could go through that gauntlet with all of their injuries too. Georgia arguably would win the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12.

Georgia has an explosive offense and a defense worse than Auburn's. Injuries did hurt them, but that is part of the game. Great teams don't lose to Vanderbilt. The fact is they have 4 loses because they aren't complete. They are a mirror image of Clemson because of offensive potential and defensive weaknesses. Those two played a great game, an entertaining game, but both are incomplete teams. Clemson is just fortunate not to play an unforgiving schedule. Ditto for Texas A&M too.

UGA's defense does have some holes, but their injuries were ridiculous. Against Missouri and Vanderbilt they were playing without their two main running backs, their top 3 receivers and one of their backup receivers (with two receivers and one running back lost in the preceding Tennessee game). The first 5 produced almost all their scoring. Against Auburn they had one of the receivers back and one of the running backs returned, but not at full strength. It still took a fluke play for Auburn to beat them. With a rational amount of injuries, Auburn definitely beats Auburn and Vandy and may have beaten Missouri. (if they had halfway decent specials teams, they beat Vandy and Auburn despite the injuries).

Another apologetic from a poster who lives on "ifs and buts" and "candy and nuts". Auburn lost their attention twice with 20 point leads and no part of the ball ever crossed the goal line on the 4th down run by Murray. You got what you deserved. And the last time I checked, injuries were part of the game. Perhaps Georgia has more than other teams because of strength and conditioning deficiencies?

When it happens every year to Georgia it's not a fluke. You simply outscored L.S.U. and failed to outscore Auburn and Clemson. I'm not so sure Missouri doesn't beat you anyway. What I'll give you were some dicey calls in the Vanderbilt game. Like I said you've had a top notch quarterback and offense, but were far from a championship caliber team because of sieve for a defense.

You also TOTALLY miss the point of my response. Touchy about Auburn's fluke play win maybe? My comment was in response to your comment that UGA lost 4 because they "weren't complete." There is no "complete" team anywhere this year. They all have weaknesses. UGA lost as many as they have with an extraordinary amount of key injuries that occurred in a compressed period of time.

(11-24-2013 03:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 01:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 12:14 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-23-2013 11:53 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I don't understand why people keep throwing the "Georgia lost 4 games" out there. Have you looked at their schedule? They played Clemson, Missouri, LSU, South Carolina, and Auburn. That's ridiculous. No way they could go through that gauntlet with all of their injuries too. Georgia arguably would win the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12.

Georgia has an explosive offense and a defense worse than Auburn's. Injuries did hurt them, but that is part of the game. Great teams don't lose to Vanderbilt. The fact is they have 4 loses because they aren't complete. They are a mirror image of Clemson because of offensive potential and defensive weaknesses. Those two played a great game, an entertaining game, but both are incomplete teams. Clemson is just fortunate not to play an unforgiving schedule. Ditto for Texas A&M too.

UGA's defense does have some holes, but their injuries were ridiculous. Against Missouri and Vanderbilt they were playing without their two main running backs, their top 3 receivers and one of their backup receivers (with two receivers and one running back lost in the preceding Tennessee game). The first 5 produced almost all their scoring. Against Auburn they had one of the receivers back and one of the running backs returned, but not at full strength. It still took a fluke play for Auburn to beat them. With a rational amount of injuries, Auburn definitely beats Auburn and Vandy and may have beaten Missouri. (if they had halfway decent specials teams, they beat Vandy and Auburn despite the injuries).

Another apologetic from a poster who lives on "ifs and buts" and "candy and nuts". Auburn lost their attention twice with 20 point leads and no part of the ball ever crossed the goal line on the 4th down run by Murray. You got what you deserved. And the last time I checked, injuries were part of the game. Perhaps Georgia has more than other teams because of strength and conditioning deficiencies?

When it happens every year to Georgia it's not a fluke. You simply outscored L.S.U. and failed to outscore Auburn and Clemson. I'm not so sure Missouri doesn't beat you anyway. What I'll give you were some dicey calls in the Vanderbilt game. Like I said you've had a top notch quarterback and offense, but were far from a championship caliber team because of sieve for a defense.

You also TOTALLY miss the point of my response. Touchy about Auburn's fluke play win maybe? My comment was in response to your comment that UGA lost 4 because they "weren't complete." There is no "complete" team anywhere this year. They all have weaknesses. UGA lost as many as they have with an extraordinary amount of key injuries that occurred in a compressed period of time.

Bullet I didn't miss your point, I just don't agree with it. Georgia certainly was healthy against Clemson and reasonably so against L.S.U.. They simply did not have a good defense. Most of your injuries are on offense, especially the key injuries. Your defense is not any more up to traditional SEC championship quality than Auburn's or A&M's. Right now only Alabama has a defense that is playing consistently. It's their offensive acumen that is not as decidedly strong as last year.

1. I would suggest that FSU has no weaknesses this year - which explains the timing of the legal hounding of Winston.

2. I noted earlier that the best OOC wins in the SEC this year Indiana and UNC. It would be remiss not to allow the SEC west to show up the east.

Ole Miss has the only good win in the bunch a win over 8-3 Texas.

Bama has beaten an 7-4 VT team - a team with next to no offense.

Auburn beat a 6-5 Washington State team.

LSU has beaten a 4-7 TCU team. Poor hornfrogs

One of Arkansas' three wins is over 8-2 Louisiana-Lafayette.

TAMU's best OOC win is over Rice.

Mississippi State managed a win over 8-3 Bowling Green.

As weak as this is, it is better than the ACC Atlantic as they only have wins over the much maligned 7-4 Georgia, the horrible 4-7 Florida, and the equally bad 4-7 West Virginia squad that managed to beat Oklahoma State.

Even if the ACC wins 3 of 4 over the SEC next week it will mean a win over a horrible 4-8 UF team, and win over a 7-5 Vandy team, and good win over a 9-3 SC team but of course that SC team is tainted by it's own loss to 4-7 Tennessee and that pesky Georgia team that once was good but now is bad. I don't expect GT's option to beat UGA unless Murray does not play.


3. There doesn't seem to be a lot of good wins out there this year as the good wins seem to fade. Oregon has laid down. Stanford lost to a sorry Utah team, Baylor was killed by OSU, who lost to 4-7 West Virginia a team beaten by 6-5 Maryland. Now Baylor has to face Texas and a second loss is possible. TAMU stunk it up today against a 3 loss LSU team. Louisville has no good wins. Michigan State lost to ND who lost to Pitt.

4. I really don't see how anyone can argue with FSU, Bama, and OSU being the top teams. I don't know what makes FSU somehow incomplete. Any question about Bama will be anwered in the next two weeks. And Ohio State's record is there for all to see - it's very good, just not as good as Bama's and FSU's.

(11-24-2013 12:03 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  Now we need Auburn and Duke to throw this joke into a money wrench.

I will definitely be pulling for Auburn and Duke the next few weeks.

Actually the money wrench is one and only one thing. If Michigan St beats Ohio St(or Michigan, but I don't think that's happening)- or Duke beats Florida St- the SEC champ now is almost a lock- be it Alabama, Auburn, Missouri. The only way the SEC doesn't get in the title game then- is if Missouri loses to Texas A&M. If Missouri wins that game- the SEC champ will be in the title game no matter what. I don't see Michigan St or Oklahoma St having any shot against Auburn or Missouri(or Alabama obviously)

If Michigan St wins, and South Carolina wins the SEC- that's when the chaos really starts. You'd have Oklahoma St and Michigan St- and you will hate this- but Alabama would still be a factor.

For Oklahoma St/Michigan St- they are the ones that are rooting for Duke and ironically for OSU- Michigan St.

the thing that is so amazing about the BCS - in all but 2-3 times- everything lucked out for the system. Since the redo after 2003, only 2004 and 2011 was really tough. Most all of the other years it was really easy...

now- let's just jump to next year.
you have-
1- SEC champ(Alabama/Auburn/Missouri)
2- Florida St
3- Ohio St/Michigan St

Oklahoma St would be next on deck. But- what if they fall to Oklahoma in Bedlam? Your candidates- 11-1 Clemson with bad loss to FSU, 11-1 Baylor with bad loss to OSU, 11-2 Stanford with bad losses vs Utah and USC- but conference champs- or 11 or 12-1 Alabama if they lose the SEC title game. I'd have to think in some ways that Alabama could easily have the inside track there- especially if it was like a 3 point loss at Auburn.

(11-24-2013 03:59 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  1. I would suggest that FSU has no weaknesses this year - which explains the timing of the legal hounding of Winston.

2. I noted earlier that the best OOC wins in the SEC this year Indiana and UNC. It would be remiss not to allow the SEC west to show up the east.

Ole Miss has the only good win in the bunch a win over 8-3 Texas.

Bama has beaten an 7-4 VT team - a team with next to no offense.

Auburn beat a 6-5 Washington State team.

LSU has beaten a 4-7 TCU team. Poor hornfrogs

One of Arkansas' three wins is over 8-2 Louisiana-Lafayette.

TAMU's best OOC win is over Rice.

Mississippi State managed a win over 8-3 Bowling Green.

As weak as this is, it is better than the ACC Atlantic as they only have wins over the much maligned 7-4 Georgia, the horrible 4-7 Florida, and the equally bad 4-7 West Virginia squad that managed to beat Oklahoma State.

Even if the ACC wins 3 of 4 over the SEC next week it will mean a win over a horrible 4-8 UF team, and win over a 7-5 Vandy team, and good win over a 9-3 SC team but of course that SC team is tainted by it's own loss to 4-7 Tennessee and that pesky Georgia team that once was good but now is bad. I don't expect GT's option to beat UGA unless Murray does not play.


3. There doesn't seem to be a lot of good wins out there this year as the good wins seem to fade. Oregon has laid down. Stanford lost to a sorry Utah team, Baylor was killed by OSU, who lost to 4-7 West Virginia a team beaten by 6-5 Maryland. Now Baylor has to face Texas and a second loss is possible. TAMU stunk it up today against a 3 loss LSU team. Louisville has no good wins. Michigan State lost to ND who lost to Pitt.

4. I really don't see how anyone can argue with FSU, Bama, and OSU being the top teams. I don't know what makes FSU somehow incomplete. Any question about Bama will be anwered in the next two weeks. And Ohio State's record is there for all to see - it's very good, just not as good as Bama's and FSU's.

Do you really believe #1?
Do you subscribe to the theory that a certain coach who would benefit from FSU beiing knocked down a spot or two is behind the Winston allegations?
Not sure if that's what you are thinking, but that just seems too grassy knoll for me.
I completely agree with you on #4. Bama, FSU, OSU in that order for the time being.

If we had a true playoff with 16 teams, all this bull $hit talk would not be necessary. And D1 would have a true champion!

(11-23-2013 11:23 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  What would a championship game do for them? Give one of their one loss teams another chance to lose a game? Next season if a Big XII is 12-0 there is a very good chance they will be in the playoff. Just about every power five conference team that is undefeated will be in the playoff, heck in most season there will be teams with one loss in the mix. Even teams from the American and Mountain West have a shot at the playoff if they go undefeated and play a strong non league schedule.

The G5 will have almost no shot. They would have to be 13-0 and Have all the 11-1 P5 have a bad occ and bad loss.

(11-23-2013 11:23 PM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  Baylor simply got exposed tonight.

With 4 of their best offensive players missing. Every team has injuries, but this was not the same team that scored 56 on West Virginia in the first half.

(11-24-2013 03:08 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  JR - Your response speaks for itself. You seem to have taken great umbrage when all I did was list the top teams best win of the season, and their losses - they are what they are at this point.

No, you did more than "just list" their best win, you made that the basis for claiming that FSU deserves to be #1 over Alabama.

Truth is, FSU has played an AWFUL schedule and has been given a FAR easier path to the BCS title game than has Alabama. Why stop at the best win? Let's look at the two best wins for each team: FSU's are Clemson and who else, maybe Miami? Alabama's are LSU and TAMU.

I bet any compilation of computers would say that LSU and TAMU are collectively at least as good as Clemson and Miami. And after we look at the top two, it gets even better for Alabama. As of now, since Alabama has played a tougher overall schedule, they have a BETTER claim to #1 than does FSU.

So if this world were fair and just, that would mean that going forward, Alabama should have an easier path to the title game than FSU, right? Right.

But what do we see? Alabama will definitely have to beat #7 Auburn and probably #9 Missouri to make the title game, while FSU plays putrid Florida and probably Duke (!!!) to do the same.

If there was any justice in the world, FSU would have to prove themselves against at least one more very good team. Instead, Bama has to do it twice while FSU not at all.

Can't help but laugh at Baylor: All hat no cattle. I love how the media had been pumping them up all season. ( Also looking and laughing at you too Oregon. )
CJ

(11-24-2013 08:13 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(11-23-2013 11:23 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  What would a championship game do for them? Give one of their one loss teams another chance to lose a game? Next season if a Big XII is 12-0 there is a very good chance they will be in the playoff. Just about every power five conference team that is undefeated will be in the playoff, heck in most season there will be teams with one loss in the mix. Even teams from the American and Mountain West have a shot at the playoff if they go undefeated and play a strong non league schedule.

The G5 will have almost no shot. They would have to be 13-0 and Have all the 11-1 P5 have a bad occ and bad loss.

Disagree on that front. They likely will not make the top four because they won't win the games but look at who Cincinnati, UCF, ECU, Fresno State, and Boise State play over the next few years. If Cincinnati in 2014 wins at Ohio State and at Miami Fl in the process of a 12-0 season, that team is going to be in the top four. Problem is that likely won't be 12-0.

(11-23-2013 11:56 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Pretty damn simple to me: If Texas wants this conference to survive, then they along with Oklahoma and Texas Tech need to get back to dominating this conference.

That being said, I'm as giddy as kid on Christmas at Baylor getting knocked the efff out tonight.

The old Big XII south needs to be absorbed by the SEC. It's that simple. Let the Big 10 take the Kansas schools along with Iowa State.

just posting to reiterate murray did not break the plane of the goal line before a knee going down. uga got a gift

(11-23-2013 11:14 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  Here we go again after Baylor's inevitable loss tonight...effectively out of the conversation with no championship game. It's ironic how this plays out year after year...

A championship would not do them any good....more likely would hurt one of the top teams. Year after year??? come on.

(11-24-2013 03:42 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 03:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

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(11-24-2013 12:14 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Georgia has an explosive offense and a defense worse than Auburn's. Injuries did hurt them, but that is part of the game. Great teams don't lose to Vanderbilt. The fact is they have 4 loses because they aren't complete. They are a mirror image of Clemson because of offensive potential and defensive weaknesses. Those two played a great game, an entertaining game, but both are incomplete teams. Clemson is just fortunate not to play an unforgiving schedule. Ditto for Texas A&M too.

UGA's defense does have some holes, but their injuries were ridiculous. Against Missouri and Vanderbilt they were playing without their two main running backs, their top 3 receivers and one of their backup receivers (with two receivers and one running back lost in the preceding Tennessee game). The first 5 produced almost all their scoring. Against Auburn they had one of the receivers back and one of the running backs returned, but not at full strength. It still took a fluke play for Auburn to beat them. With a rational amount of injuries, Auburn definitely beats Auburn and Vandy and may have beaten Missouri. (if they had halfway decent specials teams, they beat Vandy and Auburn despite the injuries).

Another apologetic from a poster who lives on "ifs and buts" and "candy and nuts". Auburn lost their attention twice with 20 point leads and no part of the ball ever crossed the goal line on the 4th down run by Murray. You got what you deserved. And the last time I checked, injuries were part of the game. Perhaps Georgia has more than other teams because of strength and conditioning deficiencies?

When it happens every year to Georgia it's not a fluke. You simply outscored L.S.U. and failed to outscore Auburn and Clemson. I'm not so sure Missouri doesn't beat you anyway. What I'll give you were some dicey calls in the Vanderbilt game. Like I said you've had a top notch quarterback and offense, but were far from a championship caliber team because of sieve for a defense.

You also TOTALLY miss the point of my response. Touchy about Auburn's fluke play win maybe? My comment was in response to your comment that UGA lost 4 because they "weren't complete." There is no "complete" team anywhere this year. They all have weaknesses. UGA lost as many as they have with an extraordinary amount of key injuries that occurred in a compressed period of time.

Bullet I didn't miss your point, I just don't agree with it. Georgia certainly was healthy against Clemson and reasonably so against L.S.U.. They simply did not have a good defense. Most of your injuries are on offense, especially the key injuries. Your defense is not any more up to traditional SEC championship quality than Auburn's or A&M's. Right now only Alabama has a defense that is playing consistently. It's their offensive acumen that is not as decidedly strong as last year.

I can agree with this. But also, Auburn didn't have that great a defense when they won the BCS title a couple years back. Several great players, but not a great defense. They "outscored" most of their opponents. They won one game giving up 43 points.