Krocker, Big Ten number eight will never be eligible and its unlikely Big east number six will be either. You might qualify those teams once in five years. the Big East has more than enough bowl games , as does CUSA. I have a problem with second division teams in any league going to a bowl. Who gives a frickin hoot about 6-6 Minnesota vs 6-6 UCONN? At some point all of this turns into a joke.
You also seem to have some emotional problem with CUSA. Lighten up, things are good.

TopCoog Wrote:Krocker, Big Ten number eight will never be eligible and its unlikely Big east number six will be either. You might qualify those teams once in five years. the Big East has more than enough bowl games , as does CUSA. I have a problem with second division teams in any league going to a bowl. Who gives a frickin hoot about 6-6 Minnesota vs 6-6 UCONN? At some point all of this turns into a joke.
You also seem to have some emotional problem with CUSA. Lighten up, things are good.

I do not have "some emotional problem" with CUSA. You never see me posting on your board. I want CUSA to be successful. The thing I desire is an end to the ridiculous strife that constantly envelops this board. CUSA needs to do your own thing in your own place. The Big East needs to do our own thing in our own place. You mind your own business. We mind our own business.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:Krocker, Big Ten number eight will never be eligible and its unlikely Big east number six will be either. You might qualify those teams once in five years. the Big East has more than enough bowl games , as does CUSA. I have a problem with second division teams in any league going to a bowl. Who gives a frickin hoot about 6-6 Minnesota vs 6-6 UCONN? At some point all of this turns into a joke.
You also seem to have some emotional problem with CUSA. Lighten up, things are good.

I do not have "some emotional problem" with CUSA. You never see me posting on your board. I want CUSA to be successful. The thing I desire is an end to the ridiculous strife that constantly envelops this board. CUSA needs to do your own thing in your own place. The Big East needs to do our own thing in our own place. You mind your own business. We mind our own business.

There are plenty of Big East folks who regularly post on the C-USA board. I don't see the issue. I thought this was America. Should we have seperate water fountains too?

Krapp, you had your top 4 teams playing bcs schools. If the rumors about the houston bowl are true, then there is your answer. If houston bowl drop you for one reason, that your #3 team couldnt or wouldnt bring enough fans to help support the bowl. Then your #4 bowl signs an agree with Navy, behind your backs, should tell you the state of things about the be. No slam either. I see that lots of be fans are not thrilled about the birmingham bowl either, if you ;dont support that one after 4 yrs donot except them to keep you either. The be has 2 teams that travel well, WVU AND Louisville, the others,however, do not. But there is room for growth with Conn and S Fla.and that will take alittle time for them to build and have some success. I truely believe that with time and some success that both of these programs can build fans support that will travel well not only for their school but also for your conference.

Quote:The bowl was originally formed to fill a need for the Southern Conference when it was a I-A conference.

There has never been a Southern Conference team in the Independence Bowl.

The original host conference was the Southland Conference.

Big, big difference.

Herd Swimming Wrote:

Quote:The bowl was originally formed to fill a need for the Southern Conference when it was a I-A conference.

There has never been a Southern Conference team in the Independence Bowl.

The original host conference was the Southland Conference.

Big, big difference.

Southern, Southland, I'm sure it was an honest mistake.

TopCoog Wrote:I have a problem with second division teams in any league going to a bowl. Who gives a frickin hoot about 6-6 Minnesota vs 6-6 UCONN? At some point all of this turns into a joke.

When it suits you. However, as for CUSA you constantly mention how CUSA needs backup bowl deals for up to 8 CUSA teams. Not that CUSA will ever have 75% eligible due to OOC body bag games that some play, but somehow I doubt I'll see you saying that a 6-6 7th in CUSA Houston team should turn down the last bowl spot in the country if they had the chance.

I'd love if we cut bowls back to 25 or so, but it isn't happening. And while most don't care about any 6-6 team, more will care about a 6-6 BCS over a 6-6 non-BCS 95% of the time.

TopCoog Wrote:I have a problem with second division teams in any league going to a bowl. Who gives a frickin hoot about 6-6 Minnesota vs 6-6 UCONN? At some point all of this turns into a joke.
You also seem to have some emotional problem with CUSA. Lighten up, things are good.

Sadly, Univ Presidents disagree with you.

They wanted a 12th Game where 80%-90% of the BCS could add another home game (and bring in MILLIONS more to their program)...plus...with the approve of counting Div I-AA wins EVERY YEAR for Bowl eligibility (instead of only 1 Div I-AA win every 4 years), and...a team only needs a .500 record to be bowl eligible....that's why you saw a rush by the big BCS Conferences to grab even more bowl berths...as more of their teams in the future will be bowl eligible.

The Goal for all of the Big BCS Conferences is for EVERY team that is .500 and above to be locked into a bowl slot.

Smart move if you ask me.

KL

PS. Most of these minor bowls only need about 30k fans...and a 1.0-1.5 Cable TV rating to survive...and most get that.

Minor Bowl Games with .500 teams don't need super high TV ratings for 70,000 fans per game to survive.

ESPN is proping all these Bowls to allow for programming for their network. Thats why you see some dates that are NOT conductive to fans traveling to those games

CollegeCard Wrote:I'd love if we cut bowls back to 25 or so, but it isn't happening. And while most don't care about any 6-6 team, more will care about a 6-6 BCS over a 6-6 non-BCS 95% of the time.

What is your point? There are very few schools (whether they be in a BCS confernce or not) that most folks will care about when they are 6-6. I can't think of any in the Big East.

First, nobody but the fans of that particular school give a damn about watching a 6-6 team in a bowl. Texas A&M turned down a bowl at 6-5 a few years ago because they had been blown out a few times and did not want to be a joke. Secondly, every league is a BCS league and for the purpose of lower bowls a crummy team is a crummy team, regardless of what league they happen to be in. lets hope the public does not support bowls with 6-6 teams playing in it. I think people will stay away in droves.

What gets me if that the blame gets put on those schools fans for not showing up. Lets face it you are asking fans to spend big bucks in travel,housing and tickets to go to some meaningless bowl in a town that more than probably would not be in that fans list of places to visit.

3601 Wrote:

CollegeCard Wrote:I'd love if we cut bowls back to 25 or so, but it isn't happening. And while most don't care about any 6-6 team, more will care about a 6-6 BCS over a 6-6 non-BCS 95% of the time.

What is your point? There are very few schools (whether they be in a BCS confernce or not) that most folks will care about when they are 6-6. I can't think of any in the Big East.

The point was calling out Slowcoog for hypocrisy, b/c he says BCS leagues shouldn't be getting bowls for 6-6 teams, yet it's undeniable he has said on this board that he's hoping CUSA can get side agreements for up to 8 CUSA teams.

TopCoog Wrote:First, nobody but the fans of that particular school give a damn about watching a 6-6 team in a bowl.

Secondly, every league is a BCS league and for the purpose of lower bowls a crummy team is a crummy team, regardless of what league they happen to be in. lets hope the public does not support bowls with 6-6 teams playing in it. I think people will stay away in droves.

First, why do you want 6-6 teams in bowls then? You can't deny you support that when you want 8 bowls for CUSA.

Secondly, cut the crap and technicalities. Everyone here with half a brain knows we're referring to BCS-auto bid leagues, which there are 6 of, not 11.

Quote:Texas A&M turned down a bowl at 6-5 a few years ago because they had been blown out a few times and did not want to be a joke.

I seriously doubt this.

Going back to 1990, they have not had a 6-5 season. They had two 6-6 seasons, one in 1996, and one in 2002.

They didn't turn down invitations because they didn't want to be embarassed, they didn't get invites at all because they weren't even eligible.

Quote:Secondly, every league is a BCS league

??? So do you prefer the terms mid-major/major? AQ leagues to non AQ leagues? The PC term for a non BCS school may have changed recently, but that doesn't change the fact that there is a clear distinction between haves and have nots, and that's all that is meant by BCS and non BCS.

3601 Wrote:There are plenty of Big East folks who regularly post on the C-USA board. I don't see the issue. I thought this was America. Should we have seperate water fountains too?

First of all, I did not say CUSA posters can't post here. You totally missed the point. I welcome all posts that are constructive and I'm sure my fellow Big East fans do as well. What I was referring to is that CUSA has to grow and reach your potential on your own just as the Big East will grow and reach our potential on our own. We already have one bowl against CUSA, we do not need another. There would be absolutely no purpose served by a second Big East bowl against CUSA. Fans want to see a variety of opponents, not the same schools over and over again. Second of all, please do not refer to the horrible racism of America's past in such a flippant way again. That comment is completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

gdayre Wrote:Krapp, you had your top 4 teams playing bcs schools. If the rumors about the houston bowl are true, then there is your answer. If houston bowl drop you for one reason, that your #3 team couldnt or wouldnt bring enough fans to help support the bowl. Then your #4 bowl signs an agree with Navy, behind your backs, should tell you the state of things about the be. No slam either. I see that lots of be fans are not thrilled about the birmingham bowl either, if you ;dont support that one after 4 yrs donot except them to keep you either. The be has 2 teams that travel well, WVU AND Louisville, the others,however, do not. But there is room for growth with Conn and S Fla.and that will take alittle time for them to build and have some success. I truely believe that with time and some success that both of these programs can build fans support that will travel well not only for their school but also for your conference.

And I want our top four schools to continue playing BCS opponents in bowls in the future. If the rumors about the Houston Bowl are true, then I want us to replace it with a Tampa Bowl against Big Ten #8. I do not want the Big East sitting around accepting status quo and having the majority of our bowls against non-BCS teams. For the record, I never wanted the Houston Bowl. It was regarded as a temporary stopgap until 2009. No one knew the NCAA would approve 32 bowls. I do not care about the Birmingham Bowl either. If we lose it eventually, I sure would not drop any sleep over it. If things go right we will end up with a Big Apple Bowl and hopefully a Tampa Bowl that we control ourselves by the time 2010 rolls around.

Krocker, there is no such thing as a non BCS school, you need to read the new rules. An undefeated team, even a one loss team will play in one of those bowls. You are trying to uphold some sort of food chain idea that no longer exists. Big 10 number 8 is unrealistic and borders on silliness.

Yeah. Keep telling yourself that there is no such thing as non-BCS teams anymore. Okay.

As for Big Ten #8, get this through your head, we don't need to play CUSA in two bowls.

Get over this co-dependency on the Big East. Do your own thing. Find your own success.

actually under the new BCS rules TCU and Fresno would not have qualified for those two extra Bowl slots. they would have gone to Oregon and either Miami/Auburn

Actually because of the FSU win. TCU would have gone to a BCS Bowl

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Yeah. Keep telling yourself that there is no such thing as non-BCS teams anymore. Okay.

As for Big Ten #8, get this through your head, we don't need to play CUSA in two bowls.

Get over this co-dependency on the Big East. Do your own thing. Find your own success.

Fact is krocker that the neither the general public nor the bowl folks see the Big east on the level of the other five. We have a talk show host here in Houston who is a frickin Syracuse grad himself and said the other day, "the big east is a terrible league with two good teams." I didn't say that, he did. lets cut the eliteism, you would not have the gator Bowl deal if it were not for notre dame.

Secondly, The BCS money does not amount to all that much per team. We are planning a 12,500 seat state of the art basketball arena that will not include a dime of BCS money. Sure we would all like to have it but I can assure you that for every dollar of private money you can raise at Syracuse we can get two in the Houston business community. Every school has its own situation to deal with. The chances are that there will always be at least one bowl game matching CUSA and the Big east. You can forget Big 10 number 8, that team will not play in any bowl game.

TopCoog Wrote:Fact is krocker that the neither the general public nor the bowl folks see the Big east on the level of the other five. We have a talk show host here in Houston who is a frickin Syracuse grad himself and said the other day, "the big east is a terrible league with two good teams." I didn't say that, he did. lets cut the eliteism, you would not have the gator Bowl deal if it were not for notre dame.

Secondly, The BCS money does not amount to all that much per team. We are planning a 12,500 seat state of the art basketball arena that will not include a dime of BCS money. Sure we would all like to have it but I can assure you that for every dollar of private money you can raise at Syracuse we can get two in the Houston business community. Every school has its own situation to deal with. The chances are that there will always be at least one bowl game matching CUSA and the Big east. You can forget Big 10 number 8, that team will not play in any bowl game.

The "general public" allows people like Bush to become President by hook or by crook. I do not have a high regard for the opinion of this "general public" you brag about. As far as I am concerned, the "general public" can go stuff their posteriors with Johnnycakes. And that Syracuse grad is a pandering sissy.

It is not about elitism. Maybe you can't read. I already said I have no problem with Big East #6 playing a CUSA team in Birmingham. What part of that do you not understand? It really looks like Hooked On Phonics did not work for you. Go back and read exactly what I wrote. Then try to comprehend what I wrote.

As for Notre Dame, they are a member of the Big East, so what is your point? You are the one on our board begging for a second bowl game against us. You don't see Big East fans on your board begging for another bowl game against CUSA. Most of us don't even want the one that is starting this year anyway.

Nobody on this board cares about Houston's basketball arena. This thread is about bowl games anyway. If your opinion of the Big East is so low then get lost. You are the one on here begging for a second bowl game between the Big East and CUSA. One bowl game between two conferences is more than enough.