L-yes Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:

BJUnklFkr Wrote:One thing kind of amusing about all of this. I saw a segment on this controversy during basketball season, and the Indian who complained about this had the name: Ron His Horse Is Thunder (or something like that). Anyone else see the humor in a guy having a name like that complaining about the stereotyping/potrail of Indians? lmfao

My great-great-great-great-great grandfather was named Man Afraid Of His Horse. He was War Chief of the Oglala before Red Cloud and was one of the greatest warriors in Sioux history. Names have significance, but they can also have no bearing on the things that matter. Honor, bravery, and bearing are things that develop fully after names are given.

My great, great grandfather and grandmother were starved out of their native Ireland. I love the Fighting Irish. The NCAA knew better than to tread in that direction, they'd be pummeled for their PC absurdity. The truth is the policy is absurd no matter where it is applied.

As for your assertion that the Souix hate UND, have you even read the president's letter? He has EVIDENCE that says otherwise.

His evidence doesn't come from the Tribal Council of any of the nations that comprise what are known as Sioux. The name "Sioux" is a French rendering of the Ojibwa word nadewisou, meaning "treacherous snakes." The name was never meant to be a compliment since the French were at war with us at the time. (from http://www.lakhota.com/stories/story.history.htm) So Sioux is an insult in any form.

bitcruncher Wrote:His evidence doesn't come from the Tribal Council of any of the nations that comprise what are known as Sioux. The name "Sioux" is a French rendering of the Ojibwa word nadewisou, meaning "treacherous snakes." The name was never meant to be a compliment since the French were at war with us at the time. (from http://www.lakhota.com/stories/story.history.htm) So Sioux is an insult in any form.

So why does every single Lakota/Dakota/Nakota reservation refer to themselves as Sioux?

Spirit Lake Sioux
Standing Rock Sioux
Cheyenne River Sioux
Crow Creek Sioux
Lower Brule Sioux
Pine Ridge Oglala Sioux
Rosebud Sioux
Sisseton - Wahpeton Sioux
Yankton Sioux
Flandreau Santee Sioux

The reservation names can be changed by the tribal councils if they so choose. They haven't chosen to. Sioux County in North Dakota is entirely in the Standing Rock reservation. The name of Sioux County can be changed by the 90% + majority Sioux residents. They choose not to change the name.

Polls have in ND have shown that the vast majority of Indians support the Sioux name and other Indian nicknames. If Indian nicknames and logos are hostile and abusive, why do practically all reservation high schools in North Dakota use an Indian nickname?

Four Winds Indians
Mandaree Warriors
New Town Eagles <--- one exception, but uses feathers and imagery
Parshall Braves
Selfridge Chieftains
Solen Sioux
Standing Rock Warriors
Turtle Mountain Braves
Warwick Warriors
White Shield Warriors

NoDak Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:His evidence doesn't come from the Tribal Council of any of the nations that comprise what are known as Sioux. The name "Sioux" is a French rendering of the Ojibwa word nadewisou, meaning "treacherous snakes." The name was never meant to be a compliment since the French were at war with us at the time. (from http://www.lakhota.com/stories/story.history.htm) So Sioux is an insult in any form.

So why does every single Lakota/Dakota/Nakota reservation refer to themselves as Sioux?

Because those names were assigned by the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs. Within the tribe itself, they use their PROPER names.

I figured some North Dakota wasichu would comment sooner or later on this.

bitcruncher Wrote:

NoDak Wrote:So why does every single Lakota/Dakota/Nakota reservation refer to themselves as Sioux?

Because those names were assigned by the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs. Within the tribe itself, they use their PROPER names.

I figured some North Dakota wasichu would comment sooner or later on this.

The point remains, the reservations can petition to change the names of the reservations. To this point, they have not, because "Sioux" in the English language have never been a derogatory name and no one, inclluding Lakota/Dakota/Nakota peoples are offended by it.

When will you be visiting the "White Pine" reservation again? So where exactly is it? ;-)

NoDak Wrote:When will you be visiting the "White Pine" reservation again? So where exactly is it? ;-)

I'll be going there again next spring. It's in the Badlands. About half of the Badlands National Park is on the reservation. It's officially called the Pine Ridge Reservation, but most natives refer to it as White Pine.

Pirate Steve is offended by the ECU logo and mascot. It must be abolished as pirates do not wear purple.

bitcruncher Wrote:

NoDak Wrote:When will you be visiting the "White Pine" reservation again? So where exactly is it? ;-)

I'll be going there again next spring. It's in the Badlands. About half of the Badlands National Park is on the reservation. It's officially called the Pine Ridge Reservation, but most natives refer to it as White Pine.

Hrm, if you google 'white pines' and 'badlands' you get nothing but Pine Ridge. you'd figure there would be at least one page that mentioned White Pines as the native synonym for the reservation.

Wouldn't be easier to just withdraw from the NCAA and form a new athletic organisation.

David Krysakowski Wrote:Wouldn't be easier to just withdraw from the NCAA and form a new athletic organisation.

Yeah, but the new one would probably get all power-hungry and f itself up in the same manner as the NCAA did. Then back to square 1.

L-yes Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:

NoDak Wrote:When will you be visiting the "White Pine" reservation again? So where exactly is it? ;-)

I'll be going there again next spring. It's in the Badlands. About half of the Badlands National Park is on the reservation. It's officially called the Pine Ridge Reservation, but most natives refer to it as White Pine.

Hrm, if you google 'white pines' and 'badlands' you get nothing but Pine Ridge. you'd figure there would be at least one page that mentioned White Pines as the native synonym for the reservation.

Try searching google for AIM and Leonard Peltier. Or read the works of Black Elk.

Free speech means you do not have the rigth not to be offended.

BJUnklFkr Wrote:

David Krysakowski Wrote:Wouldn't be easier to just withdraw from the NCAA and form a new athletic organisation.

Yeah, but the new one would probably get all power-hungry and f itself up in the same manner as the NCAA did. Then back to square 1.

However it would mean that schools could use nicknames for their teams provided they were not clearly deogatory to a specific group (i.e. using the N word or as one Illinois HS team used to call themselves the Chinks) plus we could also shelve the giant sinkhole of $ known as Title 9. Full scholarships for revenue sports or those that can pay their own way and tuition only scholarships for all other sports (men and women).

NoDak Wrote:[quote="BJUnklFkr"]
Welcome NoDak. Do you have the figures for Illinois and Florida State?

The states of Illinois and Florida have less than 1% of their population as Indian ethnicity and even lower Indian reservation populations, so schools both have low (~0.5 %) Indian enrollments.

Illinois has no reservations so the Native American Reservation population in Illinois would be zero.

bitcruncher,

Not to bust your balls but...I've read the two books from Black Elk as told through interreptors. I've read the two books authorized by Frank Fools Crow, another Lakota from Pine Ridge. I didn't see anything in those four mentioning White Pine. I've also read many books that dealt with the Lakotas as well as other Native American tribes and don't remember ever coming across White Pine. Pine Ridge, Oglala, Wanblee, Manderson, Porcupine, Wounded Knee and Rose Bud to name a few, yes. White Pine, I couldn't find any reference. I am in no way calling you out on this but you might have been confused or the reference was so small that it wasn't included in the notes or indices of these books (or to make an impression in my mind). Here is the list of the ones that dealt exclusively or predominantly with a specific Lakota, the Lakota Nation, American Indian Movement and/or Leonard Peltier.

Black Elk Speaks
The Sacred Pipe - Black Elk
Fools Crow
Fools Crow: Wisodm and Power
Black Elk: The Sacred Ways of a Lakota - Wallace Black Elk
In the Spirit of Crazy Horse - Leonard Peltier, A.I.M. and the F.B.I.
Secret Native American Pathways

There is a White River and a White Clay Creek that goes through Pine Ridge. Also, there is a White Clay, Nebraska right across the NE/SD border. Are any of these of which you speak?

Black Elk Speaks and The Sacred Pipe are excellent books. Both have plenty of good insights in them. I'm glad you've read them.