(11-25-2013 01:31 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 01:12 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  If I am a toolbag for stating facts, than what are you for your continously name calling? A 3 year old?

No, I'm a realist. I call it like I see it.

Congrats on your win, but you're still a toolbag.

Look at the above statement. Does that sound like a compliment to you? But... But... I'm merely stating facts! So why is that not a compliment?

(11-25-2013 01:12 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I have stated numerouis times while you record is misleading you still won the games you should have won to become bowl eligible..that in itself is impressive....Why is that so hard to understand?

You seem to be the one lacking comprehension skills: Your backhanded compliments are not really compliments at all. So to claim that you think it makes your gesture as a goodwill of sort leads me to believe one of two things:

1. You're a troll.
2. You really are that dense.

Honestly, I don't know which is the case. To be frank, don't really care. Both will get the same treatment.

Although the smoke and mirrors comment was IMO ill-advised, from the TX St side all we have heard is excuses as to why your team lost without acknowledging at all (or very little) that WKU has a good team that finally put it all together for a whole game.
You had turnovers.... join the crowd. If there was no such thing as turnovers, WKU could very easily be 9-2 this season.
Fran made some poor decisions.... join the crowd. I am sure that every team has had issues with their coach's decision-making.
You had injuries... join the crowd. WKU played UL with both starting DTs injured (probably wouldn't have made a difference), WKU played TX St with two RS Fr starting on the OL due to injuries to two Srs.
My point is, TX St is a good team and a very good addition to the SBC and I wish WKU could compete with them in the future, but the game that WKU played on Saturday should not be treated as a big surprise and diminished.
Good luck the rest of the season and in the future.

Not that I have a dog in this fight between the Rev and 518, but I believe these Stats show who has been the better team this year. Now these are the facts!

(11-25-2013 02:07 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 01:36 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  All I have posted was facts after the game and if you cannot understand my reply saying its a great accomplishment to even be bowl eligible first season in conf, than you have problems....Its a message board, you obvioulsy are not understanding what I am saying which is easy to do on a message board but I did not have to resort to name calling either.....Be a grownup~!

I do not think you understand what the word fact is, otherwise, you would not be claiming this as fact:

(11-23-2013 10:18 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Congrats Texas st. on even becoming bowl eligible, a huge accomplishment in itself, but I have said for weeks you guys were are all mirrors....WKU is better team, did not matter any play calling tonight and we finally played our first complete game all season......You guys should be happy of what you have done this season, next week go beat Troy, please!!

WKU was the better team that night. That part is fact. The better team overall? That's subjective.

Furthermore, that statement was insulting, particularly coming from a WKU fan who's "impressive" wins are not much more impressive than ours.

Given that you are playing the victim, it leads me to believe that you are not dense, but are doing it on purpose.

Now, if you are doing it on purpose, that would make you a toolbag.

I am stating this as fact, so I don't know why you are getting so upset.

I am not getting upset....You continue to whine and cry about one comment I made, I apolgize if it offended you but facts are facts...Your own fans have said you played a weak schedule and I agree, their is nothing you can control on what the other teams are doing you schedule....While WKU's schedule did not set the world on fire, we still have the highest ranked win in OOC vs. Navy as per rankings in Sun Belt this season....ALso played 2 SEC teams and at Army on their senior day....You guys countered with Wyoming at home and told us repeatdly on how great of a win it was...I agree it was a solid win, but I saw your conf. schedule was backloaded and thought you guys were a .500 team instead of a 8 and 4 or 9 and 3 team we constantlly heard a few weeks ago in which you were going to be...I maintained WKU preseason would be 8 and 4 team and we have a chance to get their with 3 OL Freshman playing on OL....Everyone has injuries this time of season...

What is insulting about getting 6 wins in your first season in FBS? Did you guys expect to run the conference and paying in a Orange Bowl or is this losing streak due to your expeirenced coach playcalling and not having a clue keeping you from playing in the Orange Bowl? To me you guys have had a sucessful season right out of the gate and you can build on this season in the future... When we got beat down to ULL, I congratulated ULL on their solid win....After WKU goes down to Texas and beats you we hear from some in your fanbase about the playcalling and a QB with a broken hand lost the game without any credit to Western playing a great game...If it was a close game I could see maybe on palycalling, but come on!..Granted only a few Texas St. fans commented as most gave due where it was granted..I will be rooting for you to beat Troy...

(11-25-2013 02:27 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I am not getting upset....You continue to whine and cry about one comment I made, I apolgize if it offended you....You guys have said you played a weak schedule and I agree, their is nothing you can control on what the other teams are doing....While WKU's schedule did not set the world on fire, we still have the highest ranked win in OOC vs. Navy as per rankings in Sun Belt this season....ALso played 2 SEC teams and at Army on their senior day....You guys countered with Wyoming at home...

I'm sorry you confuse my statement of fact as whining or crying.

(11-25-2013 02:31 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 02:27 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I am not getting upset....You continue to whine and cry about one comment I made, I apolgize if it offended you....You guys have said you played a weak schedule and I agree, their is nothing you can control on what the other teams are doing....While WKU's schedule did not set the world on fire, we still have the highest ranked win in OOC vs. Navy as per rankings in Sun Belt this season....ALso played 2 SEC teams and at Army on their senior day....You guys countered with Wyoming at home...

I'm sorry you confuse my statement of fact as whining or crying.

I am not sure what the facts are that you purport to have stated. The only known facts:

1. WKU has a better overall record than TX St.
2. WKU OOC opponents have a higher composite record than TX St.
3. WKU is ranked higher statistically than TX ST in virtually every category in the SBC (total offense, total defense, scoring margin, T.O.P.)
4. WKU defeated TX St on the road by 31 points.

I am not downing TX St, but those are the facts. Anything else is conjecture, opinion and homerism.

WKUFan518 and myself butt heads a LOT on HH and I mean a LOT so take this in that context....

While some TXST fans took the "at least you become bowl eligible" as a backhand compliment I honestly don't think he meant it that way. My personal read on that comment goes like this. While the TXST season didn't end the way your fans wanted, it was a great accomplishment to even get bowl eligible in your first year....something very few schools do.

Now to the game itself...no playing calling was going to make this game close, only the weather helped to keep it as close as it was. WKU dominated on defense from the start and even when on the one TD drive it probably never happens if Western doesn't fall back in a 2 deep prevent. I know that drive alone would make fans think..hey why didn't we do that all the time. Well for one thing Western didn't play a 2 deep other than that series and even in that it took the TXST QB's feet to get the TD because our defense left their lanes on the rush.....

that would not have happen if Western wasn't in the 2 deep because containment would have came from the strong side that your QB rolled to and a LB/CB depending on the package Western had in would have did 1 of 2 things...

1. came from the outside (like we did in the 2nd half) and popped your QB or made him stay in the pocket
2. fell back in coverage on the short receiver and it would have took a good pass (something no TXST qb can do often) to throw over his head and not the lob pass that you got away with when Western was in the 2 deep.

TO's happen and even without them TXST was not moving the ball...

29 running plays at 0.7 yards a carry will get you beat 9 out of 10 times against a good football team

Weather played a part in this game with both teams passing but given everything we seen from both teams all year...it hurt Western the most and 2 of the over thrown balls that got caught by the wind should have been TD's for Western. I'm sure it had a affect on some of the bad throws by TXST also.

Play calling doesn't make this a game and to be honest, not smack or anything like it....without the wind this is a 56 to 7 game. Western came out from the go on defense and just dominate and no wind, no misty rain and no play calling was going to change that. It was just one of those nights Western was on their game from the go...on defense

TXST has the best stadium in the SBC and it's not even close and with a packed house probably the best home field advantage also because unlike ULL, Troy (freaking st) and ASU the TXST field isn't a hole in the ground with stands built around it. Sound carries till it hits something and with a ground level stadium it's more on top of the players.

The stadium is well worth the money TXST spent to upgrade it.

(11-25-2013 02:58 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  WKUFan518 and myself butt heads a LOT on HH and I mean a LOT so take this in that context....

While some TXST fans took the "at least you become bowl eligible" as a backhand compliment I honestly don't think he meant it that way. My personal read on that comment goes like this. While the TXST season didn't end the way your fans wanted, it was a great accomplishment to even get bowl eligible in your first year....something very few schools do.

Now to the game itself...no playing calling was going to make this game close, only the weather helped to keep it as close as it was. WKU dominated on defense from the start and even when on the one TD drive it probably never happens if Western doesn't fall back in a 2 deep prevent. I know that drive alone would make fans think..hey why didn't we do that all the time. Well for one thing Western didn't play a 2 deep other than that series and even in that it took the TXST QB's feet to get the TD because our defense left their lanes on the rush.....

that would not have happen if Western wasn't in the 2 deep because containment would have came from the strong side that your QB rolled to and a LB/CB depending on the package Western had in would have did 1 of 2 things...

1. came from the outside (like we did in the 2nd half) and popped your QB or made him stay in the pocket
2. fell back in coverage on the short receiver and it would have took a good pass (something no TXST qb can do often) to throw over his head and not the lob pass that you got away with when Western was in the 2 deep.

TO's happen and even without them TXST was not moving the ball...

29 running plays at 0.7 yards a carry will get you beat 9 out of 10 times against a good football team

Weather played a part in this game with both teams passing but given everything we seen from both teams all year...it hurt Western the most and 2 of the over thrown balls that got caught by the wind should have been TD's for Western. I'm sure it had a affect on some of the bad throws by TXST also.

Play calling doesn't make this a game and to be honest, not smack or anything like it....without the wind this is a 56 to 7 game. Western came out from the go on defense and just dominate and no wind, no misty rain and no play calling was going to change that. It was just one of those nights Western was on their game from the go...on defense

TXST has the best stadium in the SBC and it's not even close and with a packed house probably the best home field advantage also because unlike ULL, Troy (freaking st) and ASU the TXST field isn't a hole in the ground with stands built around it. Sound carries till it hits something and with a ground level stadium it's more on top of the players.

The stadium is well worth the money TXST spent to upgrade it.

Thanks guns! I guess I need to be clearer, haha....I am gulity of this too but it is kind of hard to read typed words on a message board and get the tone or context of those words, but yes what you said is what I meant and have said this repedatly.....Texas St. fans should be pleased with the season you had....

(11-25-2013 02:53 PM)Jacque Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 02:31 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 02:27 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I am not getting upset....You continue to whine and cry about one comment I made, I apolgize if it offended you....You guys have said you played a weak schedule and I agree, their is nothing you can control on what the other teams are doing....While WKU's schedule did not set the world on fire, we still have the highest ranked win in OOC vs. Navy as per rankings in Sun Belt this season....ALso played 2 SEC teams and at Army on their senior day....You guys countered with Wyoming at home...

I'm sorry you confuse my statement of fact as whining or crying.

I am not sure what the facts are that you purport to have stated. The only known facts:

1. WKU has a better overall record than TX St.
2. WKU OOC opponents have a higher composite record than TX St.
3. WKU is ranked higher statistically than TX ST in virtually every category in the SBC (total offense, total defense, scoring margin, T.O.P.)
4. WKU defeated TX St on the road by 31 points.

I am not downing TX St, but those are the facts. Anything else is conjecture, opinion and homerism.

I'm a big fan of what Texas State is doing as program. I like those guys. It's hard to argue against sound logic like that though. Don't see much logic around here often.

What made me mad about Petrino was how he went for it on 4th down multiple times when WKU had a solid lead. I get that you typically pull back much later in the game, but when we kept turning the ball over every single damn drive in the first quarter and you are up 14-0 or 21-0 (can't remember) then you go for it on 4th down?

Congratulations on the win and good luck in the postseason. Hopefully a broken hand is all we will see from our true freshman QB since obviously the alternatives aren't even FCS quality

(11-25-2013 02:58 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  WKUFan518 and myself butt heads a LOT on HH and I mean a LOT so take this in that context....

While some TXST fans took the "at least you become bowl eligible" as a backhand compliment I honestly don't think he meant it that way. My personal read on that comment goes like this. While the TXST season didn't end the way your fans wanted, it was a great accomplishment to even get bowl eligible in your first year....something very few schools do.

Now to the game itself...no playing calling was going to make this game close, only the weather helped to keep it as close as it was. WKU dominated on defense from the start and even when on the one TD drive it probably never happens if Western doesn't fall back in a 2 deep prevent. I know that drive alone would make fans think..hey why didn't we do that all the time. Well for one thing Western didn't play a 2 deep other than that series and even in that it took the TXST QB's feet to get the TD because our defense left their lanes on the rush.....

that would not have happen if Western wasn't in the 2 deep because containment would have came from the strong side that your QB rolled to and a LB/CB depending on the package Western had in would have did 1 of 2 things...

1. came from the outside (like we did in the 2nd half) and popped your QB or made him stay in the pocket
2. fell back in coverage on the short receiver and it would have took a good pass (something no TXST qb can do often) to throw over his head and not the lob pass that you got away with when Western was in the 2 deep.

TO's happen and even without them TXST was not moving the ball...

29 running plays at 0.7 yards a carry will get you beat 9 out of 10 times against a good football team

Weather played a part in this game with both teams passing but given everything we seen from both teams all year...it hurt Western the most and 2 of the over thrown balls that got caught by the wind should have been TD's for Western. I'm sure it had a affect on some of the bad throws by TXST also.

Play calling doesn't make this a game and to be honest, not smack or anything like it....without the wind this is a 56 to 7 game. Western came out from the go on defense and just dominate and no wind, no misty rain and no play calling was going to change that. It was just one of those nights Western was on their game from the go...on defense

TXST has the best stadium in the SBC and it's not even close and with a packed house probably the best home field advantage also because unlike ULL, Troy (freaking st) and ASU the TXST field isn't a hole in the ground with stands built around it. Sound carries till it hits something and with a ground level stadium it's more on top of the players.

The stadium is well worth the money TXST spent to upgrade it.

I appreciate the kind words and hope you enjoyed your time in the Texas Hill Country.

god almighty the butthurt is strong in this thread from the txstate crowd.

you got some wins early in the year and apparently thought it would be easy. then you played the cajuns and found out the top of the sunbelt isn't equal to a usm team on a losing streak.

western is not a bad team. especially when they don't turn it over.

you got your culos handed to you just like you did in the cajun game. that is FACT. not subjective. you can make up every excuse in the world it won't change the final numbers.

guns goes to every game. i trust what he saw. maybe you bounce back maybe you don't. i don't really care.

i do know the team that catmom was shocked by only beating army by a little demolished your squad. i'd hate to see what would've happened to the bobcats on senior day at west point if saturday was an indication of your team.

all of that said....txstate was the one place i wanted to go this year. i love that area of texas and wanted to see your stadium. there's no reason you can't become a power with your facilities and the state of texas to recruit from. good luck from here on out.

(11-25-2013 03:25 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 02:53 PM)Jacque Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 02:31 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 02:27 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I am not getting upset....You continue to whine and cry about one comment I made, I apolgize if it offended you....You guys have said you played a weak schedule and I agree, their is nothing you can control on what the other teams are doing....While WKU's schedule did not set the world on fire, we still have the highest ranked win in OOC vs. Navy as per rankings in Sun Belt this season....ALso played 2 SEC teams and at Army on their senior day....You guys countered with Wyoming at home...

I'm sorry you confuse my statement of fact as whining or crying.

I am not sure what the facts are that you purport to have stated. The only known facts:

1. WKU has a better overall record than TX St.
2. WKU OOC opponents have a higher composite record than TX St.
3. WKU is ranked higher statistically than TX ST in virtually every category in the SBC (total offense, total defense, scoring margin, T.O.P.)
4. WKU defeated TX St on the road by 31 points.

I am not downing TX St, but those are the facts. Anything else is conjecture, opinion and homerism.

I'm a big fan of what Texas State is doing as program. I like those guys. It's hard to argue against sound logic like that though. Don't see much logic around here often.

There is no place for logic on a message board lol
We are called fan(atic)s for a reason.

(11-25-2013 04:04 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  What made me mad about Petrino was how he went for it on 4th down multiple times when WKU had a solid lead. I get that you typically pull back much later in the game, but when we kept turning the ball over every single damn drive in the first quarter and you are up 14-0 or 21-0 (can't remember) then you go for it on 4th down?

Congratulations on the win and good luck in the postseason. Hopefully a broken hand is all we will see from our true freshman QB since obviously the alternatives aren't even FCS quality

Since WKU has been notorious for giving away leads in the second half this season, Petrino probably assumed no lead was safe.
Good luck to you and yours as well.

(11-25-2013 04:20 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  god almighty the butthurt is strong in this thread from the txstate crowd.

No butthurt from this TXST fan. Your Defensive front straight up dominated. Whining about my team will not help anything. I've moved on and it's time to focus on Troy.

EAT'EM UP CATS!

I watched a couple of WKU games earlier this year. When they had problems, it seemed to be self inflicted, turn overs, poorly timed penalties, etc.
My fear coming into this games was that they'd put it all together. . . and they did. Am I upset that we lost, no. I'm upset about the way we lost . . . especially at Home on Senior Night.
Last year we were a 4 win program. Coming into this year, I predicted 5. Most of the "experts" had us down for 4. At 6, we've achieved bowl eligibility, and in my book a successful season. We still have an outside chance at a 7 win season. Have our coaches done it with smoke and mirrors, perhaps . . given where we are in our program development, it may have been the best option they had to put us in a position to win.
WKU came into San Marvelous and played close to a flawless game. They did what they needed to do, on the road, to get a W. I hate that we didn't give them a better game. I take NOTHING away WKU and their victory, and tip my cap to 'em. They were the better team Sat. night. IMHO our games with WKU, UL, and stAte are an indication of the growth that remains for our football program. We knew coming into the Belt that we'd take our lumps against the better/more established programs of the conference. It's a process . . . obviously you'd love to win 'em all, but I'm good with where we are, and where we appear to be headed. Looking forward to Troy, and the opportunity to end the season on a winning note.

Can you people stop arguing? Does it matter how WKU won? The game is over.

(11-26-2013 12:40 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Can you people stop arguing? Does it matter how WKU won? The game is over.

Argument ended a while ago, was just observations at this point; how each fan took the game


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Here's some video I took at the game on Saturday because at the time I didn't think most WKU could get it. I shot this on a phone and had to make a choice...offense or defense because the battery would not last for both. I also did it play by play to save the battery between plays then I put the video together...I missed a few plays so if the marked ball jumps a few yards you know what happened.




FULL screen is a better view...I saved these in a lower resolution so the upload time on youtube would be shorter.

1st qt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngQ-xt0mD0Y

2nd qt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7sWvgyV-GA

3rd qt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCUi5-0mYT4

4th qt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbVswJ88unU

Good game WKU.

I would have liked to have seen us play better. I would have liked to have seen us play WKU earlier in the year (when they looked terrible). I would have liked to have seen us play with a healthy Tyler Jones. I would like to see Fran play to win, instead of playing to not get blown out.

But honestly, we just weren't ready to win some of these games. In the games we have lost, we have been dominated at the line of scrimmage. UL, stAte, WKU, and to a much lesser extent - Texas Tech pushed us around and spent 4 quarters imposing their will on us. Hopefully we get bigger/stronger/faster and much more athletic the next few recruiting classes.

I hope those of you WKU who visited had a good time in San Marcos, despite the 42 degree high temperature. I hope that, even though we are the "outpost" of the Sun Belt (not including Idaho and NMST), we will become the destination road trip for a lot of you guys.