(11-18-2013 04:14 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:32 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  In all seriousness, Pitz, what is your position on JMU's future? Do you support a move to any FBS conference, only certain FBS conferences, or do you support JMU staying FCS? If you just like to come on and make fun of other posters' for being so crazy about the issue, that's cool too. Just curious.

I think he's like me, in that moving for the sake of moving is not the answer... and the reason that we haven't gone anywhere already. We have some options, none of them are really that awesome. Actually we don't have options because we have 0 invites to other conferences. But we're ready to make a move when the right option comes along. It's a matter of when, not if. Until then, mocking people who think the sky is falling is more enjoyable.

This is true. Football rules the roost when it comes to conference alignments. But these FBS conferences offer little for other sports. I think the CAA is pretty good in the "non revenue" sports. Soccer and baseball have been pretty decent and before the implosion, basketball was pretty solid as well. I don't know, I guess there is a part of me that wants the University to gain as much out of a move than the sports teams. Maybe that isn't the best reason to support a move...

(11-18-2013 06:05 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  Some people on here seem to have a lot of arrogance. Like we are too good for lowly MAC/Sun Belt/CUSA teams who go to bowl games (that far outdraw FCS playoffs) and play in front of small crowds of around 20,000 (more than almost every one of the 120+ FCS teams).

I grew up going to ECU games, watching them get their butt kicked by the big schools, beating the crappy ones, and going to bowls that no one cares about. Find me one ECU fan that would trade that to dominate and be an FCS powerhouse.

I'll go one step further...find me any FBS school that would ever consider moving to FCS football in the attempt to become more competitive and play for an FCS national championship. You won't find it and you know why? Because in no scenario is FCS > FBS. Because to your average sports fan or John Doe alumni...a Tuesday night football game on ESPN2 between two MAC bottom feeders is still a notch above FCS/1AA/"Not Division 1" football.

Gospel.

Plus, ECU girls are hot AND easy.

(11-18-2013 05:15 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:33 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:32 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 02:58 PM)Pitz Wrote:  FINANCES BE DAMNED! LOUISIANA-MONROE HERE WE COME!

(11-18-2013 03:25 PM)Pitz Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:04 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Schools like Ga. Southern, Appalachian and James Madison should be in FBS. It may sound arrogant but we have basically outgrown the FCS.

Nothing says FBS-ready like missing the FCS playoffs four out of the last five years!

In all seriousness, Pitz, what is your position on JMU's future? Do you support a move to any FBS conference, only certain FBS conferences, or do you support JMU staying FCS? If you just like to come on and make fun of other posters' for being so crazy about the issue, that's cool too. Just curious.

Stony brook owned us, we should just drop to d2. Screw it all, we need to join ur in the odac.

So SBU beat JMU by 3 41-38, and outgained JMU by 10 yds 485-475, yet JMU was "owned" in your book.. That was very close 3 point ballgame. Period

And you called me dumb - JMU got their collective asses whooped up and down the field for 60 minutes from the opening kickoff. There was not a single aspect of that game where JMU was better period. Yeah the final score was 41-38 but did you ever seriously feel like we were in that game from the 1st quarter on. SBU rode MM's ass like a rented mule and did anything they wanted to that game. And then stated that very fact, in a matter of fact manner in the post game. The only reason the game closed up was because they pulled a 'Mickey' and called off the dogs to early.

(11-18-2013 06:05 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  Some people on here seem to have a lot of arrogance. Like we are too good for lowly MAC/Sun Belt/CUSA teams who go to bowl games (that far outdraw FCS playoffs) and play in front of small crowds of around 20,000 (more than almost every one of the 120+ FCS teams).

I grew up going to ECU games, watching them get their butt kicked by the big schools, beating the crappy ones, and going to bowls that no one cares about. Find me one ECU fan that would trade that to dominate and be an FCS powerhouse.

I'll go one step further...find me any FBS school that would ever consider moving to FCS football in the attempt to become more competitive and play for an FCS national championship. You won't find it and you know why? Because in no scenario is FCS > FBS. Because to your average sports fan or John Doe alumni...a Tuesday night football game on ESPN2 between two MAC bottom feeders is still a notch above FCS/1AA/"Not Division 1" football.

I get the exact same impression. The only valid options that will be presented are SunBelt/MAC/CUSA. I don't know why so many feel that JMU is too good for any of those......what has JMU proven. If we are so good, lets go there kick some ass and move up the ladder. That is how the game works. If you are waiting for an invite to any place else give it up, it ain't coming.

Those are the options and not even sure CUSA or MAC would want us. If the only option is SunBelt so be it. It's time for all of JMU to get off the high-horse and actually show people we can compete. We have not done that for sometime now.

(11-18-2013 06:31 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 06:05 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  Some people on here seem to have a lot of arrogance. Like we are too good for lowly MAC/Sun Belt/CUSA teams who go to bowl games (that far outdraw FCS playoffs) and play in front of small crowds of around 20,000 (more than almost every one of the 120+ FCS teams).

I grew up going to ECU games, watching them get their butt kicked by the big schools, beating the crappy ones, and going to bowls that no one cares about. Find me one ECU fan that would trade that to dominate and be an FCS powerhouse.

I'll go one step further...find me any FBS school that would ever consider moving to FCS football in the attempt to become more competitive and play for an FCS national championship. You won't find it and you know why? Because in no scenario is FCS > FBS. Because to your average sports fan or John Doe alumni...a Tuesday night football game on ESPN2 between two MAC bottom feeders is still a notch above FCS/1AA/"Not Division 1" football.

I get the exact same impression. The only valid options that will be presented are SunBelt/MAC/CUSA. I don't know why so many feel that JMU is too good for any of those......what has JMU proven. If we are so good, lets go there kick some ass and move up the ladder. That is how the game works. If you are waiting for an invite to any place else give it up, it ain't coming.

Those are the options and not even sure CUSA or MAC would want us. If the only option is SunBelt so be it. It's time for all of JMU to get off the high-horse and actually show people we can compete. We have not done that for sometime now.

Completely agree with these two posts.

(11-18-2013 06:26 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 05:15 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:33 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:32 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 02:58 PM)Pitz Wrote:  FINANCES BE DAMNED! LOUISIANA-MONROE HERE WE COME!

(11-18-2013 03:25 PM)Pitz Wrote:  Nothing says FBS-ready like missing the FCS playoffs four out of the last five years!

In all seriousness, Pitz, what is your position on JMU's future? Do you support a move to any FBS conference, only certain FBS conferences, or do you support JMU staying FCS? If you just like to come on and make fun of other posters' for being so crazy about the issue, that's cool too. Just curious.

Stony brook owned us, we should just drop to d2. Screw it all, we need to join ur in the odac.

So SBU beat JMU by 3 41-38, and outgained JMU by 10 yds 485-475, yet JMU was "owned" in your book.. That was very close 3 point ballgame. Period

And you called me dumb - JMU got their collective asses whooped up and down the field for 60 minutes from the opening kickoff. There was not a single aspect of that game where JMU was better period. Yeah the final score was 41-38 but did you ever seriously feel like we were in that game from the 1st quarter on. SBU rode MM's ass like a rented mule and did anything they wanted to that game. And then stated that very fact, in a matter of fact manner in the post game. The only reason the game closed up was because they pulled a 'Mickey' and called off the dogs to early.

Oh BS. SBU dominated the fisrt 2 1/2 quarters, but JMU dominated the last 1.5 qtrs 21-3. I you think JMU was whipped for the entire 60 min then you either didn't watch the whole game from start to finish or you are as dumb as I think you are...

(11-18-2013 05:25 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 04:56 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 04:45 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 04:18 PM)Potomac Wrote:  If you think we have no unofficial invites, you haven't been paying attention.

Unofficial invites don't count. We've had no official invites. So that cart is going nowhere.

(11-18-2013 04:20 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  We may not have an official SBC offer, but I think all we have to do is ask. The MAC is really the only other option at this time. If they are the only options, are you in favor of staying in the CAA? And hoping that something shakes out above us that gives JMU a shot at CUSA?

I really just don't like any of the options. They're just not attractive any way you look at it. SBC sucks. If anything happens there I hope it's football-only. MAC is mediocre to me. same to CUSA. Hang me if you want to but the CAA offers more than those do in the grand scheme of JMU athletics (read, not football). Football-only invites to me are the best case there, I think. And I don't need a 9-page thread to tell me why I'm wrong - so there's my opinion since you asked.

I talk with folks in Athletics every day. I talk with administrative folks rather often. I talked with Prez Alger on Saturday. Whatever happens, the decision will be made in the best interest of the University and that much I'm confident about so it's good enough for me. I don't get worked up about it.

You make valid points. I don't love the SBC, MAC, or really CUSA.

What bothers me is that IF we stay in the CAA, I feel that we have basically locked ourselves in for the future. FCS and CAA for life....or at least for a long damn time.

That would kill a huge part of my drive to give more time/money/effort. If I am going to continue to invest, I want growth. My love for JMU doesn't drive what I currently donate....my desire to see JMU grow and improve drives me to donate thousands of dollars/year.

If we're to stay in FCS/CAA, then I will drop down and donate at the FCS/CAA level. I'll funnel the difference into the academic side.

That is a complete fallacy that JMU has to move NOW or are locked into the CAA for life/very long time.

It would be fallacy if I said it were a fact. It is my opinion, nothing more.

If we commissioned the Carr Report and DON'T move to FBS, then I feel confident in saying we won't for another 20 years. Not too mention any NCAA moratorium that could materialize (been rumored for awhile now).

Further, our options to move up will NEVER change if we don't make a move to FBS first. The big boys aren't leaving the NCAA, and I don't see there being a ton of shifts where regionality would help our position. For us to ever have a shot at something better, we have to move.

(11-18-2013 06:41 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 06:26 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 05:15 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:33 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:32 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  In all seriousness, Pitz, what is your position on JMU's future? Do you support a move to any FBS conference, only certain FBS conferences, or do you support JMU staying FCS? If you just like to come on and make fun of other posters' for being so crazy about the issue, that's cool too. Just curious.

Stony brook owned us, we should just drop to d2. Screw it all, we need to join ur in the odac.

So SBU beat JMU by 3 41-38, and outgained JMU by 10 yds 485-475, yet JMU was "owned" in your book.. That was very close 3 point ballgame. Period

And you called me dumb - JMU got their collective asses whooped up and down the field for 60 minutes from the opening kickoff. There was not a single aspect of that game where JMU was better period. Yeah the final score was 41-38 but did you ever seriously feel like we were in that game from the 1st quarter on. SBU rode MM's ass like a rented mule and did anything they wanted to that game. And then stated that very fact, in a matter of fact manner in the post game. The only reason the game closed up was because they pulled a 'Mickey' and called off the dogs to early.

Oh BS. SBU dominated the fisrt 2 1/2 quarters, but JMU dominated the last 1.5 qtrs 21-3. I you think JMU was whipped for the entire 60 min then you either didn't watch the whole game from start to finish or you are as dumb as I think you are...

No, I watched every minute of the beating. JMU was NEVER, EVER in that game no matter what the final score said.

If you truly believe JMU was in that game and it was not on ice by halftime then you my friend were feeling no pain saturday afternoon b/c you had ingested copious amount of Purple-Kool-Aid.

That was a complete beating is every aspect of the game.

JMU scored a lot of garbage points and garbage yards late in the game. The only mistake SBU made was taking their foot off the gas too early.

If we had a shot to win that game, then StFrancis, CCSU, and UNCC were in the game with JMU and had legitimate opportunities to win those games. Forget the stats, give it the eye test - SBU could have scored 50+ had they not started trying to use clock in the 4th.

(11-18-2013 03:30 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Everyone has a right to an opinion. I hope the Breeze does a counter point column with someone other than a biased faculty member.

The opportunity cost of staying where we are is huge.

Exactly. It will be more costly to stay on this sinking ship.

(11-18-2013 07:00 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 06:41 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 06:26 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 05:15 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:33 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Stony brook owned us, we should just drop to d2. Screw it all, we need to join ur in the odac.

So SBU beat JMU by 3 41-38, and outgained JMU by 10 yds 485-475, yet JMU was "owned" in your book.. That was very close 3 point ballgame. Period

And you called me dumb - JMU got their collective asses whooped up and down the field for 60 minutes from the opening kickoff. There was not a single aspect of that game where JMU was better period. Yeah the final score was 41-38 but did you ever seriously feel like we were in that game from the 1st quarter on. SBU rode MM's ass like a rented mule and did anything they wanted to that game. And then stated that very fact, in a matter of fact manner in the post game. The only reason the game closed up was because they pulled a 'Mickey' and called off the dogs to early.

Oh BS. SBU dominated the fisrt 2 1/2 quarters, but JMU dominated the last 1.5 qtrs 21-3. I you think JMU was whipped for the entire 60 min then you either didn't watch the whole game from start to finish or you are as dumb as I think you are...

No, I watched every minute of the beating. JMU was NEVER, EVER in that game no matter what the final score said.

If you truly believe JMU was in that game and it was not on ice by halftime then you my friend were feeling no pain saturday afternoon b/c you had ingested copious amount of Purple-Kool-Aid.

That was a complete beating is every aspect of the game.

JMU scored a lot of garbage points and garbage yards late in the game. The only mistake SBU made was taking their foot off the gas too early.

If we had a shot to win that game, then StFrancis, CCSU, and UNCC were in the game with JMU and had legitimate opportunities to win those games. Forget the stats, give it the eye test - SBU could have scored 50+ had they not started trying to use clock in the 4th.

StFU was in the game- they had a legit shot to beat JMU, as did JMU vs SBU.

CCSU and UNCC never were in the game by the 2nd half. 38-14 and 34-7 aren't legit shots to win, and JMU dominated both games statistically to boot.
JMU was one 4th down stop from likely winning Sat night, as SBU's defense (mainly secondary) was a sieve the last 1.5 qtrs, almost as bad as JMU's was the 1st 2.5.

(11-18-2013 07:11 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 07:00 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 06:41 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 06:26 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 05:15 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  So SBU beat JMU by 3 41-38, and outgained JMU by 10 yds 485-475, yet JMU was "owned" in your book.. That was very close 3 point ballgame. Period

And you called me dumb - JMU got their collective asses whooped up and down the field for 60 minutes from the opening kickoff. There was not a single aspect of that game where JMU was better period. Yeah the final score was 41-38 but did you ever seriously feel like we were in that game from the 1st quarter on. SBU rode MM's ass like a rented mule and did anything they wanted to that game. And then stated that very fact, in a matter of fact manner in the post game. The only reason the game closed up was because they pulled a 'Mickey' and called off the dogs to early.

Oh BS. SBU dominated the fisrt 2 1/2 quarters, but JMU dominated the last 1.5 qtrs 21-3. I you think JMU was whipped for the entire 60 min then you either didn't watch the whole game from start to finish or you are as dumb as I think you are...

No, I watched every minute of the beating. JMU was NEVER, EVER in that game no matter what the final score said.

If you truly believe JMU was in that game and it was not on ice by halftime then you my friend were feeling no pain saturday afternoon b/c you had ingested copious amount of Purple-Kool-Aid.

That was a complete beating is every aspect of the game.

JMU scored a lot of garbage points and garbage yards late in the game. The only mistake SBU made was taking their foot off the gas too early.

If we had a shot to win that game, then StFrancis, CCSU, and UNCC were in the game with JMU and had legitimate opportunities to win those games. Forget the stats, give it the eye test - SBU could have scored 50+ had they not started trying to use clock in the 4th.

StFU was in the game- they had a legit shot to beat JMU, as did JMU vs SBU.

CCSU and UNCC never were in the game. 38-14 and 34-7 aren't legit shots to win, and JMU dominated both games statistically to boot.
JMU was one 4th down stop from likely winning Sat night, as SBU's defense (mainly secondary) was a sieve the last 1.5 qtrs...

Fine if you want to think that so be it. It was back and forth shootout that had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. I really thought we were gonna pull it out and wear out SBU by letting them run up and down the field. It was an inventive strategy and almost worked ---- just like taking the wind at W&M and kicking off both halves.

They are creative, inventive ways to win games - they cut against the grain and balk at conventional wisdom, but that is Mickey - a coach ahead of his time.

(11-18-2013 07:17 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Fine if you want to think that so be it. It was back and forth shootout that had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. I really thought we were gonna pull it out and wear out SBU by letting them run up and down the field. It was an inventive strategy and almost worked ---- just like taking the wind at W&M and kicking off both halves.

They are creative, inventive ways to win games - they cut against the grain and balk at conventional wisdom, but that is Mickey - a coach ahead of his time.

Not trying to join the argument between you two, but this response literally had me LMAO.

(11-18-2013 08:14 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 07:17 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Fine if you want to think that so be it. It was back and forth shootout that had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. I really thought we were gonna pull it out and wear out SBU by letting them run up and down the field. It was an inventive strategy and almost worked ---- just like taking the wind at W&M and kicking off both halves.

They are creative, inventive ways to win games - they cut against the grain and balk at conventional wisdom, but that is Mickey - a coach ahead of his time.

Not trying to join the argument between you two, but this response literally had me LMAO.

What do you mean Mickey seriously had SBU right where he wanted them. They were gassed and we just ran out of time. Mickey thought we were playing soccer (Futbol) and there would be 2-3 minutes of untimed, injury time at the end of regulation. He is that far ahead of his time.

Someone asked how much of an increase in student fees did the Ga. Southern students vote for? The answer is 100 dollars more per semester or 200 dollars more per year.

I am not sure what the fees were before this vote, but 20,000 plus students x $200 dollars per year increase equals at least 4 milion dollars of extra money per year.

The student fee thing is just so overblown that it's out of hand. Guess what student fees will be when myself and many others decrease our donations to $0.00 and Bridgeforth has 10,000 people in it if you want to stay in the CAA. This guy is obviously ignorant about the entire situation so there's no reason to really give him much credence beyond a few lines.

(11-18-2013 08:54 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  The student fee thing is just so overblown that it's out of hand. Guess what student fees will be when myself and many others decrease our donations to $0.00 and Bridgeforth has 10,000 people in it if you want to stay in the CAA. This guy is obviously ignorant about the entire situation so there's no reason to really give him much credence beyond a few lines.

Yeah, and this english/poly sci prof wouldn't bat an eye if instead it was a tuition increase that gave him a greater salary...just saying.

Another letter to the Breeze by the same professor. He does seem to like to speak his mind:
http://www.breezejmu.org/opinion/letters...f6878.html

(11-18-2013 11:02 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Another letter to the Breeze by the same professor. He does seem to like to speak his mind:
http://www.breezejmu.org/opinion/letters...f6878.html

I shouldn't even give this clown the benefit of responding but I can't help but retort the baseless claims of a guy making $57k in the Poly Sci department to come up with this BS. Look, fella....this is very simple. If you don't like it, Get.....the......****......out. If anyone else wants to pay more for your services, go on with it. It's embarrassing that we have professors who are a bunch of crybabies who don't even understand the concept of a free market. Like we'ere going to hold back on FBS football because of your dumb ass. GTFO.

(11-19-2013 04:02 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 11:02 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Another letter to the Breeze by the same professor. He does seem to like to speak his mind:
http://www.breezejmu.org/opinion/letters...f6878.html

I shouldn't even give this clown the benefit of responding but I can't help but retort the baseless claims of a guy making $57k in the Poly Sci department to come up with this BS. Look, fella....this is very simple. If you don't like it, Get.....the......****......out. If anyone else wants to pay more for your services, go on with it. It's embarrassing that we have professors who are a bunch of crybabies who don't even understand the concept of a free market. Like we'ere going to hold back on FBS football because of your dumb ass. GTFO.

It's just an op-ed piece submitted to the student newspaper. I don't think Alger picked up The Breeze today with a surefire commitment to FBS and decided against it just because of this.

(11-19-2013 04:11 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 04:02 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 11:02 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Another letter to the Breeze by the same professor. He does seem to like to speak his mind:
http://www.breezejmu.org/opinion/letters...f6878.html

I shouldn't even give this clown the benefit of responding but I can't help but retort the baseless claims of a guy making $57k in the Poly Sci department to come up with this BS. Look, fella....this is very simple. If you don't like it, Get.....the......****......out. If anyone else wants to pay more for your services, go on with it. It's embarrassing that we have professors who are a bunch of crybabies who don't even understand the concept of a free market. Like we'ere going to hold back on FBS football because of your dumb ass. GTFO.

It's just an op-ed piece submitted to the student newspaper. I don't think Alger picked up The Breeze today with a surefire commitment to FBS and decided against it just because of this.

Sorry, man, I read the posts on here and I just can't believe you. I thought Alger woke up committed to big-time football, but once he took a walk over to the President's office and the boys froze in the brisk Valley air, all it took was reading this professor's comments to decide that it was time to get Bourne on the line, extend Mickey, and sign a 1-for-2 with Sacred Heart.