(11-16-2013 09:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:24 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You said conservatives have no problem with forcing every kid to recite one nation under God.

I did nothing more than correctly point out what a gigantic blubbering idiot you are.

It's not a secret. Ask anyone.

and you dont see how you guys pushing god in the schools (regardless of if its forced or not) is not a form of indoctrination........

John, I was raised a Catholic and I'm conservative, a GOPer, republican, and pretty much everything that goes with it, I even said the Pledge all through school as it is currently written. But I'm now an atheist, and saying the Pledge with the God thing in there doesn't bother me at all. There's no indoctrination. My god is me, my family, or whatever I want it to be. Just because you're associating it with a supreme being doesn't mean I am. Is there someone in the schools who is teaching the kids who God is? Otherwise, how would they know?

(11-16-2013 09:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:24 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You said conservatives have no problem with forcing every kid to recite one nation under God.

I did nothing more than correctly point out what a gigantic blubbering idiot you are.

It's not a secret. Ask anyone.

and you dont see how you guys pushing god in the schools (regardless of if its forced or not) is not a form of indoctrination........

John, I was raised a Catholic and I'm conservative, a GOPer, republican, and pretty much everything that goes with it, I even said the Pledge all through school as it is currently written. But I'm now an atheist, and saying the Pledge with the God thing in there doesn't bother me at all. There's no indoctrination. My god is me, my family, or whatever I want it to be. Just because you're associating it with a supreme being doesn't mean I am. Is there someone in the schools who is teaching the kids who God is? Otherwise, how would they know?

saying it doesnt bother me either. however im just pointing out the huge double standard from certain GOP posters how they blame liberals for trying to indoctrinate their agenda but totally miss how the "in god we trust or under god" is the biggest form of indoctrination in american politics

(11-16-2013 03:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  The Pledge wasn't adopted until 1942..."under God" was NOT in the pledge (since America is a secular nation)..."under God" and "in God we trust" were creations of the 50s

the 'under God' was a legacy of McCarthyism.

I assume in Louisiana, they omit the "and liberty and justice for all" portion of the pledge.

I don't see the Pledge as being conservative or liberal, just American. My students say the pledge, along with the NC pledge each day in class, four classes a day.

The pledge is more obama indoctrination!!!

Even though the "Pledge" was invented by German Nationalist Socialist Party flag salesman and It was recited earlier here in the US using the "Roman Salute"....I have no real problem with it now. Let's just not forget where it came from and try not to relive it's past use.

(11-16-2013 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Grades are K, 2nd, and 6th... Thank God Louisiana still has morals and they still say "One nation under God" when they say the pledge at school...

So does every other kid across the nation.

(11-16-2013 03:33 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  I don't think there is anything moral about indoctrination. I bet Jesus wouldn't either.

(11-16-2013 09:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:24 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You said conservatives have no problem with forcing every kid to recite one nation under God.

I did nothing more than correctly point out what a gigantic blubbering idiot you are.

It's not a secret. Ask anyone.

and you dont see how you guys pushing god in the schools (regardless of if its forced or not) is not a form of indoctrination........

John, I was raised a Catholic and I'm conservative, a GOPer, republican, and pretty much everything that goes with it, I even said the Pledge all through school as it is currently written. But I'm now an atheist, and saying the Pledge with the God thing in there doesn't bother me at all. There's no indoctrination. My god is me, my family, or whatever I want it to be. Just because you're associating it with a supreme being doesn't mean I am. Is there someone in the schools who is teaching the kids who God is? Otherwise, how would they know?

I don't say the "under god" part because it seems hypocritical to me to recite it when it's something I don't believe, just like when someone asks for a prayer, it seems insincere to offer that when it's contrary to my beliefs. My attitude has changed from when I was younger, when I resented the coercive element of what I saw was something that was inappropriate.

The battles white liberals choose to engage themselves in never cease to astonish me.

(11-17-2013 05:35 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:24 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You said conservatives have no problem with forcing every kid to recite one nation under God.

I did nothing more than correctly point out what a gigantic blubbering idiot you are.

It's not a secret. Ask anyone.

and you dont see how you guys pushing god in the schools (regardless of if its forced or not) is not a form of indoctrination........

John, I was raised a Catholic and I'm conservative, a GOPer, republican, and pretty much everything that goes with it, I even said the Pledge all through school as it is currently written. But I'm now an atheist, and saying the Pledge with the God thing in there doesn't bother me at all. There's no indoctrination. My god is me, my family, or whatever I want it to be. Just because you're associating it with a supreme being doesn't mean I am. Is there someone in the schools who is teaching the kids who God is? Otherwise, how would they know?

I don't say the "under god" part because it seems hypocritical to me to recite it when it's something I don't believe, just like when someone asks for a prayer, it seems insincere to offer that when it's contrary to my beliefs. My attitude has changed from when I was younger, when I resented the coercive element of what I saw was something that was inappropriate.

I don't recite the pledge. I don't make big deal of it..but..it's history creeps me out. Additionally...Allegiance presumes quib pro quo. In this instance that would be protection. Neither the country or the flag can or is obligated to protect me. There is no right to protection as a citizen and the SCOUTS has ruled as such. If there was? I could sue the police for not stopping crime.

Again...I don't have a problem with people reciting the pledge. I just choose not to participate and stand quietly without comment.

(11-17-2013 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 05:35 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:24 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You said conservatives have no problem with forcing every kid to recite one nation under God.

I did nothing more than correctly point out what a gigantic blubbering idiot you are.

It's not a secret. Ask anyone.

and you dont see how you guys pushing god in the schools (regardless of if its forced or not) is not a form of indoctrination........

John, I was raised a Catholic and I'm conservative, a GOPer, republican, and pretty much everything that goes with it, I even said the Pledge all through school as it is currently written. But I'm now an atheist, and saying the Pledge with the God thing in there doesn't bother me at all. There's no indoctrination. My god is me, my family, or whatever I want it to be. Just because you're associating it with a supreme being doesn't mean I am. Is there someone in the schools who is teaching the kids who God is? Otherwise, how would they know?

I don't say the "under god" part because it seems hypocritical to me to recite it when it's something I don't believe, just like when someone asks for a prayer, it seems insincere to offer that when it's contrary to my beliefs. My attitude has changed from when I was younger, when I resented the coercive element of what I saw was something that was inappropriate.

I don't recite the pledge. I don't make big deal of it..but..it's history creeps me out. Additionally...Allegiance presumes quib pro quo. In this instance that would be protection. Neither the country or the flag can or is obligated to protect me. There is no right to protection as a citizen and the SCOUTS has ruled as such. If there was? I could sue the police for not stopping crime.

Again...I don't have a problem with people reciting the pledge. I just choose not to participate and stand quietly without comment.

Wow. This is how Marxism takes hold.

(11-17-2013 10:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 05:35 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and you dont see how you guys pushing god in the schools (regardless of if its forced or not) is not a form of indoctrination........

John, I was raised a Catholic and I'm conservative, a GOPer, republican, and pretty much everything that goes with it, I even said the Pledge all through school as it is currently written. But I'm now an atheist, and saying the Pledge with the God thing in there doesn't bother me at all. There's no indoctrination. My god is me, my family, or whatever I want it to be. Just because you're associating it with a supreme being doesn't mean I am. Is there someone in the schools who is teaching the kids who God is? Otherwise, how would they know?

I don't say the "under god" part because it seems hypocritical to me to recite it when it's something I don't believe, just like when someone asks for a prayer, it seems insincere to offer that when it's contrary to my beliefs. My attitude has changed from when I was younger, when I resented the coercive element of what I saw was something that was inappropriate.

I don't recite the pledge. I don't make big deal of it..but..it's history creeps me out. Additionally...Allegiance presumes quib pro quo. In this instance that would be protection. Neither the country or the flag can or is obligated to protect me. There is no right to protection as a citizen and the SCOUTS has ruled as such. If there was? I could sue the police for not stopping crime.

Again...I don't have a problem with people reciting the pledge. I just choose not to participate and stand quietly without comment.

Wow. This is how Marxism takes hold.

The irony of that does not escape me.

(11-17-2013 10:37 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 05:35 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  John, I was raised a Catholic and I'm conservative, a GOPer, republican, and pretty much everything that goes with it, I even said the Pledge all through school as it is currently written. But I'm now an atheist, and saying the Pledge with the God thing in there doesn't bother me at all. There's no indoctrination. My god is me, my family, or whatever I want it to be. Just because you're associating it with a supreme being doesn't mean I am. Is there someone in the schools who is teaching the kids who God is? Otherwise, how would they know?

I don't say the "under god" part because it seems hypocritical to me to recite it when it's something I don't believe, just like when someone asks for a prayer, it seems insincere to offer that when it's contrary to my beliefs. My attitude has changed from when I was younger, when I resented the coercive element of what I saw was something that was inappropriate.

I don't recite the pledge. I don't make big deal of it..but..it's history creeps me out. Additionally...Allegiance presumes quib pro quo. In this instance that would be protection. Neither the country or the flag can or is obligated to protect me. There is no right to protection as a citizen and the SCOUTS has ruled as such. If there was? I could sue the police for not stopping crime.

Again...I don't have a problem with people reciting the pledge. I just choose not to participate and stand quietly without comment.

Wow. This is how Marxism takes hold.

The irony of that does not escape me.

Don't give the leftists any power. They must remain isolated. You and I both know there are bigger fish to fry. Sometimes It seems like God is the only thing keeping us from joining other far left cesspools that turn into violent nations of dysfunction and disarray.

Sometimes you have to take one for the team.

(11-17-2013 10:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:37 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 05:35 AM)I45owl Wrote:  I don't say the "under god" part because it seems hypocritical to me to recite it when it's something I don't believe, just like when someone asks for a prayer, it seems insincere to offer that when it's contrary to my beliefs. My attitude has changed from when I was younger, when I resented the coercive element of what I saw was something that was inappropriate.

I don't recite the pledge. I don't make big deal of it..but..it's history creeps me out. Additionally...Allegiance presumes quib pro quo. In this instance that would be protection. Neither the country or the flag can or is obligated to protect me. There is no right to protection as a citizen and the SCOUTS has ruled as such. If there was? I could sue the police for not stopping crime.

Again...I don't have a problem with people reciting the pledge. I just choose not to participate and stand quietly without comment.

Wow. This is how Marxism takes hold.

The irony of that does not escape me.

Don't give the leftists any power. They must remain isolated. You and I both know there are bigger fish to fry. Sometimes It seems like God is the only thing keeping us from joining other far left cesspools that turn into violent nations of dysfunction and disarray.

Sometimes you have to take one for the team.

The "God" part has nothing to do with my not reciting the pledge. I don't need to pledge anything to anyone to be responsible citizen and good neighbor. It comes naturally. Again...this is not big deal with me anyway and I keep my objection to my self unless someone inquired. I don't go around on a crusade against this practice.

(11-17-2013 10:47 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:37 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:30 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I don't recite the pledge. I don't make big deal of it..but..it's history creeps me out. Additionally...Allegiance presumes quib pro quo. In this instance that would be protection. Neither the country or the flag can or is obligated to protect me. There is no right to protection as a citizen and the SCOUTS has ruled as such. If there was? I could sue the police for not stopping crime.

Again...I don't have a problem with people reciting the pledge. I just choose not to participate and stand quietly without comment.

Wow. This is how Marxism takes hold.

The irony of that does not escape me.

Don't give the leftists any power. They must remain isolated. You and I both know there are bigger fish to fry. Sometimes It seems like God is the only thing keeping us from joining other far left cesspools that turn into violent nations of dysfunction and disarray.

Sometimes you have to take one for the team.

The "God" part has nothing to do with my not reciting the pledge. I don't need to pledge anything to anyone to be responsible citizen and good neighbor. It comes naturally. Again...this is not big deal with me anyway and I keep my objection to my self unless someone inquired. I don't go around on a crusade against this practice.

That's fine man. I have more of a problem with people at events like NFL games who won't stand, won't stop talking or won't cover their heart during the National Anthem.....especially those who are not from the Country. I want to kick them in the face.

I wouldn't pledge to mindlessly follow a piece of laundry

(11-17-2013 10:58 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I wouldn't pledge to mindlessly follow a piece of laundry

You pledge to your slimy union.

(11-17-2013 10:51 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:47 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:37 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Wow. This is how Marxism takes hold.

The irony of that does not escape me.

Don't give the leftists any power. They must remain isolated. You and I both know there are bigger fish to fry. Sometimes It seems like God is the only thing keeping us from joining other far left cesspools that turn into violent nations of dysfunction and disarray.

Sometimes you have to take one for the team.

The "God" part has nothing to do with my not reciting the pledge. I don't need to pledge anything to anyone to be responsible citizen and good neighbor. It comes naturally. Again...this is not big deal with me anyway and I keep my objection to my self unless someone inquired. I don't go around on a crusade against this practice.

That's fine man. I have more of a problem with people at events like NFL games who won't stand, won't stop talking or won't cover their heart during the National Anthem.....especially those who are not from the Country. I want to kick them in the face.

Not a fan of that either. There is no need to "be that guy" in public..even if you disagree with the majority. Be a good neighbor to those around you.

(11-17-2013 10:58 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I wouldn't pledge to mindlessly follow a piece of laundry

..and engaging in hyperbole won't gain you credibility.