Suck on that Obama.....

Looking better isn't he America.

At this point even Zero wishes he listened to Ted Cruz.

Thought Zero was all seeing, all knowing.

The ACA might be down, but it isn't out. The website is working better now. We will have to see how signups are going in the next few weeks. I think when people realize that there are policies out there that are actually better than what they currently have on the individual market the tide will turn.

(11-14-2013 09:37 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  The ACA might be down, but it isn't out. The website is working better now. We will have to see how signups are going in the next few weeks. I think when people realize that there are policies out there that are actually better than what they currently have on the individual market the tide will turn.

And how many people will get the better policies? I'm not hearing about too many of them. I think that's all a liberal sales pitch - you screw the whole country and then convince them that some unknown person somewhere is getting the insurance deal of a life time that will save his life and all of a sudden the country feels better about being fleeced - but there is no one getting that good insurance deal.

(11-14-2013 09:37 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  The ACA might be down, but it isn't out. The website is working better now. We will have to see how signups are going in the next few weeks. I think when people realize that there are policies out there that are actually better than what they currently have on the individual market the tide will turn.

The website is not working any better. Experts agree, that it will not be able to handle the volume of people necessary for signing up 7 million. However if the goal is only 24,000 in the next 30 days, it might be good to go.

(11-14-2013 09:37 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  The ACA might be down, but it isn't out. The website is working better now. We will have to see how signups are going in the next few weeks. I think when people realize that there are policies out there that are actually better than what they currently have on the individual market the tide will turn.

I want some of whatever he's smoking.
It's evidently so good he's hallucinating.

Ted Cruz would have been better served not try to shut down the government, and just let it fail. IMO the republicans lost a big pr battle by the shutdown and the much needed and deserved to the failure of the ACA.

(11-14-2013 10:52 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Ted Cruz would have been better served not try to shut down the government, and just let it fail. IMO the republicans lost a big pr battle by the shutdown and the much needed and deserved to the failure of the ACA.

Without the shutdown, Ken Cuccinelli is the next governor of Virginia.

The right needs to learn what the left understands--you can't get a thing done without winning elections. Everything republicans do right now should have one and only one goal in mind--winning the 2014 elections, meaning take control of the senate, expand control of the house, and add to governors and state legislatures controlled.

Ted Cruz is one of my senators, and I like him, but nobody's perfect and this was a major tactical and strategic error on his part. Even though he was right about Obamacare.

Fight against bad laws where you can anytime you can. Do what's right, not what's politically correct.

Anecdotally, the younger folks I know without employer or parent sponsored HC aren't signing up. The system in theory relies upon younger (relatively more healthy) people paying premiums for healthcare they generally don't use to cover for the older, less healthy (generally speaking) people who use the system on a more regular basis.

I probably haven't read enough about the penalty "fix" to this issue, to opine on whether that will solve this issue. Does that money go to state exchanges and the like set up to comply with Obamacare (in which case it would offset this problem, at least partially), or does it go into the general fund?

The whole thing with the exemptions, delays, etc, seems very messy and outside of what one would expect from the normally competent dems. /sarc

(11-14-2013 10:52 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Ted Cruz would have been better served not try to shut down the government, and just let it fail. IMO the republicans lost a big pr battle by the shutdown and the much needed and deserved to the failure of the ACA.

absolutely, the GOP lost a big pr battle with the shutdown; we always do. I think that has more to do with the inability of Republican and Republican leaning voters to stick together on issues where the entirety of our side has strong disagreements wrt to the issue at hand or portions of our side want to take a stance against what Cruz did to come across as more "moderate" amongst their more liberal peer group.

We just don't do a good job of sticking together on some of these issues. The Dems still have that problem on gun control, at least when it comes to the House and certain Senate seats. They've done a great job of eliminating abortion as an issue within their caucus. I think there are only three self proclaimed pro life Dem senators, (not counting Reid), and none of them seem all that pro life at the end of the day.

We've got this issue on a ton of issues, and I doubt the GOP coalition will hold together at the end of the day.

let's wait until it's fully implemented before calling it a failure

(11-15-2013 05:45 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  let's wait until it's fully implemented before calling it a failure

you have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it.

Lord knows, if the GOP ever passed a bill this sweeping in nature on party lines the Dems would be screaming to high heaven (as the GOP is), regardless of execution vis a vis competence of the government. This appears to be a clusterf*** of massive proportions when it comes to execution. Excuse us if we think that more tinkering won't make it better.

Any idiot can post on this board and many do

What's their plan?

(11-15-2013 05:45 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  let's wait until it's fully implemented before calling it a failure

But we don't have to wait to see that it cannot possibly succeed.

We are supposedly going to increase demand (if the website ever works) by adding 30+ million additional customers.

We ae going to cut costs by paying docs and other providers less. That is inevitably going to reduce the number of people choosing to be docs and other providers. Cannot possibly have a different result.

Increasing demand at the dame time as decreasing supply by depressing cost has never worked ever in the history of the planet. Never. Disagree? Provide an instance where it has worked. The results will be longer waits for poorer quality care--and still higher prices once the laws of economics catch up with us.

Leftists assume that the laws of economics will somehow suspend themselves whenever they are inconvenient. That's not what happens.

Any time government sticks its head into a private sector market, bad things happen. A few people will make out like bandits, but most people are hurt by government intrusion. It always stifles progress, innovation, and wealth creation. Obamacare is no different.

I thought it would crash about 2018 or 2020. I had no idea it wouldn't even get off the ground.