(11-13-2013 11:46 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  It is nice to dream that BYU issues a final No and the MWC moves on, the Texas four emerge as dominant in C-USA, the MWC can't ignore Texas and moves to 16 all at once with UTEP, Rice, UTSA, and North Texas, and these four programs actually add value by 2016 in expanding the MWC pie.

Rice has been burned by a western-based league before. Can't believe they'd want to do it all over again.

(11-13-2013 11:49 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 11:46 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  It is nice to dream that BYU issues a final No and the MWC moves on, the Texas four emerge as dominant in C-USA, the MWC can't ignore Texas and moves to 16 all at once with UTEP, Rice, UTSA, and North Texas, and these four programs actually add value by 2016 in expanding the MWC pie.

Rice has been burned by a western-based league before. Can't believe they'd want to do it all over again.

This is not the CUSA Rice left the WAC to join. Im not so sure Rice would just dismiss a Mountain West invitation--especially if another Texas team or two were included. Rice actually has more history with some of the MW teams than they do with many of CUSA's new members. Rice might choose to stay, but I could see them leaving just as easily.

(11-14-2013 01:34 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  This is not the C-USA Rice left the WAC to join.

True, but the MWC is not the WAC that Rice joined after the SWC dissolved, either.

Let's say, hypothetically, that C-USA's 4 Texas-based members all left for MWC at the same time, which is the "dream" that ESE84 mentioned. At that point, the MWC would become a 16-team league for football. Eleven of those members were a part of the 16-team WAC of the late '90s:

Air Force
Colorado State
Fresno State
Hawaii
New Mexico
Rice
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV
UTEP
Wyoming

But the other 5 teams would be new:
Boise State
Nevada
North Texas
UTSA
Utah State

Those 5 teams would be, in effect, replacing:
BYU
SMU
TCU
Tulsa
Utah

(11-12-2013 06:32 PM)mnjayhawk Wrote:  I love the Big 12 in its current state, if for nothing more than you have "true" conference champions in basketball and football.

Playoff selection committee on the record saying winner of a CCG will be in the selection criteria.

(11-13-2013 10:05 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:07 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 08:16 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 10:16 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  It depends what you mean by "got hurt".

UC is in a much worse conference situation than we've been in since the early 70s. Even after the Metro blew up, at least in the 90s we were with our rival Louisville and a few other Midwestern teams with Marquette, SLU, and Depaul.

UC has other long time rivals in the conference together like Memphis, USF, UCONN and Temple. It's not like UC is on an island like WVU is now.

The American isn't a bad conference at all until you realize how terrible the TV deal and bowl picture is. That's what I have an issue with.

Agree on the bowls. Now the TV do you mean $$ or the actual tv deal? I thought the exposure/actual TV airtime was better than the old big east?

I like many of the AAC schools, Houston, ECU, UCF all play some solid football. 1/2 of the conference is starting freshman QBs and they will be better next year. Not overly concerned about bball.

The TV deal exposure wise is very very good, the money is not.

(11-14-2013 11:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 01:34 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  This is not the C-USA Rice left the WAC to join.

True, but the MWC is not the WAC that Rice joined after the SWC dissolved, either.

Let's say, hypothetically, that C-USA's 4 Texas-based members all left for MWC at the same time, which is the "dream" that ESE84 mentioned. At that point, the MWC would become a 16-team league for football. Eleven of those members were a part of the 16-team WAC of the late '90s:

Air Force
Colorado State
Fresno State
Hawaii
New Mexico
Rice
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV
UTEP
Wyoming

But the other 5 teams would be new:
Boise State
Nevada
North Texas
UTSA
Utah State

Those 5 teams would be, in effect, replacing:
BYU
SMU
TCU
Tulsa
Utah

I agree--its not the old WAC. But its a lot closer to the old WAC than the new CUSA is to the one Rice joined (11 of 16 originals remain rather than 5 of 12 originals). By the way, I was under the impression that this scenario included BYU coming back to the MW, in which case 12 of the original WAC-16 members would be there.

(11-14-2013 12:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  By the way, I was under the impression that this scenario included BYU coming back to the MW, in which case 12 of the original WAC-16 members would be there.

That's not the scenario that ESE84 was describing.

(11-13-2013 10:05 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:07 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 08:16 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 10:16 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  It depends what you mean by "got hurt".

UC is in a much worse conference situation than we've been in since the early 70s. Even after the Metro blew up, at least in the 90s we were with our rival Louisville and a few other Midwestern teams with Marquette, SLU, and Depaul.

UC has other long time rivals in the conference together like Memphis, USF, UCONN and Temple. It's not like UC is on an island like WVU is now.

The American isn't a bad conference at all until you realize how terrible the TV deal and bowl picture is. That's what I have an issue with.

Agree on the bowls. Now the TV do you mean $$ or the actual tv deal? I thought the exposure/actual TV airtime was better than the old big east?

I mainly am talking about the money. But while I expect basketball exposure to be very good, I think the football exposure is going to be down from the big east. But, there is no way for me to say that for sure, as noone will know what it looks like until the first year of the deal next year.