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How about this for realignment..

PAC12 takes UT,OU,OSU, and Texas Tech from the BIG12 along with New Mexico and UNLV/Nevada (take your pick) to get to 18.
BIG takes Kansas,KSU, and ISU from the BIG12 along with UConn from the AAC to get to 18.
SEC takes WVU and Baylor from the BIG12 and then two wild cards ECU from the AAC and Virginia Tech from the ACC04-jawdrop to get to 18.
ACC Begs ND to become a full member, snatches up Cincinnati,Houston,and Memphis from the AAC and takes TCU from the BIG12 to get to 18

At that point the BIG12 would be completely absorbed by the other 4 power conferences and we would have 72 schools in the P4. From what I have gathered from others on this board, 72 is a good number for the networks and there money. I don't think that any conference gets everything they want in my scenario but known of them would be worse then they were before this apocalyptic realignment. It's just for fun people04-cheers
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(11-11-2013 10:29 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  How about this for realignment..

PAC12 takes UT,OU,OSU, and Texas Tech from the BIG12 along with New Mexico and UNLV/Nevada (take your pick) to get to 18.
BIG takes Kansas,KSU, and ISU from the BIG12 along with UConn from the AAC to get to 18.
SEC takes WVU and Baylor from the BIG12 and then two wild cards ECU from the AAC and Virginia Tech from the ACC04-jawdrop to get to 18.
ACC Begs ND to become a full member, snatches up Cincinnati,Houston,and Memphis from the AAC and takes TCU from the BIG12 to get to 18

At that point the BIG12 would be completely absorbed by the other 4 power conferences and we would have 72 schools in the P4. From what I have gathered from others on this board, 72 is a good number for the networks and there money. I don't think that any conference gets everything they want in my scenario but known of them would be worse then they were before this apocalyptic realignment. It's just for fun people04-cheers

I would rather keep the ACC as is.
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In your list only Kansas would get an invitation to the BIG, and even that's not a certainty. The BIG wants to go east if possible. None of the other three meet the BIG's criteria.
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(11-11-2013 10:33 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 10:29 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  How about this for realignment..

PAC12 takes UT,OU,OSU, and Texas Tech from the BIG12 along with New Mexico and UNLV/Nevada (take your pick) to get to 18.
BIG takes Kansas,KSU, and ISU from the BIG12 along with UConn from the AAC to get to 18.
SEC takes WVU and Baylor from the BIG12 and then two wild cards ECU from the AAC and Virginia Tech from the ACC04-jawdrop to get to 18.
ACC Begs ND to become a full member, snatches up Cincinnati,Houston,and Memphis from the AAC and takes TCU from the BIG12 to get to 18

At that point the BIG12 would be completely absorbed by the other 4 power conferences and we would have 72 schools in the P4. From what I have gathered from others on this board, 72 is a good number for the networks and there money. I don't think that any conference gets everything they want in my scenario but known of them would be worse then they were before this apocalyptic realignment. It's just for fun people04-cheers

I would rather keep the ACC as is.

Well of course. I think alums and fans of the majority of these schools would rather there conferences stay with what they currently have but I'm not sure that is how this realignment game is going to play out. To much money at play with the TV networks willing to pay top dollar for the best content possible. I could be way off and I probably am. That's the fun in guessing 04-cheers
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(11-11-2013 10:43 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  In your list only Kansas would get an invitation to the BIG, and even that's not a certainty. The BIG wants to go east if possible. None of the other three meet the BIG's criteria.

I'm not sure that any Conferences past history in realignment will have a bearing on what they do in the future. If the criteria you are referring to is AAU status then ISU is an AAU school and I believe UConn is on there way to AAU membership. IMHO AAU status is not going to matter
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NC State convinces FSU, Clemson and VT to join the American to make 16, get away from 12:30 start times, and to move from under UNC's reign of the ACC. They then schedule all of their games for prime time on the new AAC espn contract and the conference takes off. To be honest it looks like all of the possible scenarios in were already covered. Figured I'd throw this in.
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I honestly think the SEC and Big Ten are done unless UNC, UVA, Texas, or Oklahoma get involved. Pac 12 is done regardless, there's just no logical additions.

ACC may go to 16 down the road, would be likely to add from the American.

Big 12 is the real wild card, could add any of Boise, BYU, New Mexico, Colorado St, UNLV, Tulane, Memphis, ECU, UCF, USF, Cincinnati. No telling what direction they go in.
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(11-11-2013 10:11 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 11:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn's facilities are among the best in FBS. The training centers for BB and FB are top-notch.

There is nothing second class about UConn's athletics, academics, or facilities ... except for the current play of the FB team.

I wish people would do a little research before posting.

The XL center is a dump. Your on campus arena is tiny. The Football stadium is located nowhere near the Students but it is set up quite nicely for tailgating. Trust me UConn has some liabilities with facilities.

I would agree Gampel is too small. And the XL center is 35+ years old. UConn BB has a brand new, state of the art practice facility under construction ... but it needs (and deserves) a better arena situation.

UConn hockey is moving into the XL Center. A new stadium would solve UConn's issues, and if Hartford is serious about luring another NHL franchise they're going to have to build something decent.

The off-campus stadium is in a great location for the people of Connecticut. Students get a free ride to the stadium and Hartford is much, much better for fans in the southern & western parts of the state. 98% of the fans live south and/or west of Storrs.
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(11-11-2013 11:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 10:11 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 11:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn's facilities are among the best in FBS. The training centers for BB and FB are top-notch.

There is nothing second class about UConn's athletics, academics, or facilities ... except for the current play of the FB team.

I wish people would do a little research before posting.

The XL center is a dump. Your on campus arena is tiny. The Football stadium is located nowhere near the Students but it is set up quite nicely for tailgating. Trust me UConn has some liabilities with facilities.

I would agree Gampel is too small. And the XL center is 35+ years old. UConn BB has a brand new, state of the art practice facility under construction ... but it needs (and deserves) a better arena situation.

UConn hockey is moving into the XL Center. A new stadium would solve UConn's issues, and if Hartford is serious about luring another NHL franchise they're going to have to build something decent.

The off-campus stadium is in a great location for the people of Connecticut. Students get a free ride to the stadium and Hartford is much, much better for fans in the southern & western parts of the state. 98% of the fans live south and/or west of Storrs.

I understand East Hartford is closer to the adult fan base but being way off-campus is a huge liability for promoting a college feel. The Dome doesn't feel very collegial either with the incessant ads, stark lighting and strange acoustics of being indoors but at least when you walk up to the stadium you know you are on a campus.
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(11-11-2013 11:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 11:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 10:11 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 11:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn's facilities are among the best in FBS. The training centers for BB and FB are top-notch.

There is nothing second class about UConn's athletics, academics, or facilities ... except for the current play of the FB team.

I wish people would do a little research before posting.

The XL center is a dump. Your on campus arena is tiny. The Football stadium is located nowhere near the Students but it is set up quite nicely for tailgating. Trust me UConn has some liabilities with facilities.

I would agree Gampel is too small. And the XL center is 35+ years old. UConn BB has a brand new, state of the art practice facility under construction ... but it needs (and deserves) a better arena situation.

UConn hockey is moving into the XL Center. A new stadium would solve UConn's issues, and if Hartford is serious about luring another NHL franchise they're going to have to build something decent.

The off-campus stadium is in a great location for the people of Connecticut. Students get a free ride to the stadium and Hartford is much, much better for fans in the southern & western parts of the state. 98% of the fans live south and/or west of Storrs.

I understand East Hartford is closer to the adult fan base but being way off-campus is a huge liability for promoting a college feel. The Dome doesn't feel very collegial either with the incessant ads, stark lighting and strange acoustics of being indoors but at least when you walk up to the stadium you know you are on a campus.

I think the people of Connecticut (including the students) feel UConn is the state's pro franchise ... sort of like the Razorbacks, Cornhuskers, and Hawkeyes. The Husky brand doesn't just represent the school; it belongs to the entire state. So (in a weird way) the UConn Huskies are more than just a college team.

Because of that, the FB program has been excused for having an off-campus stadium by all involved. No one that I know goes to UConn games and says while tailgating, "This is stupid; we should be in Storrs". Everyone is content with the situation.
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(11-11-2013 10:51 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 10:43 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  In your list only Kansas would get an invitation to the BIG, and even that's not a certainty. The BIG wants to go east if possible. None of the other three meet the BIG's criteria.

I'm not sure that any Conferences past history in realignment will have a bearing on what they do in the future. If the criteria you are referring to is AAU status then ISU is an AAU school and I believe UConn is on there way to AAU membership. IMHO AAU status is not going to matter

BIG doesn't want to add two teams in same state, so ISU gets no invitation because Iowa is already in BIG. Likewise if KU and KSU are both available, KU gets the invitation not KSU. UConn is not AAU, they do not add new markets and are relatively new to big time football. The BIG will not add #s 15 and 16 unless a big name becomes available and UConn is not big enough.
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(11-11-2013 11:25 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I honestly think the SEC and Big Ten are done unless UNC, UVA, Texas, or Oklahoma get involved. Pac 12 is done regardless, there's just no logical additions.

ACC may go to 16 down the road, would be likely to add from the American.

Big 12 is the real wild card, could add any of Boise, BYU, New Mexico, Colorado St, UNLV, Tulane, Memphis, ECU, UCF, USF, Cincinnati. No telling what direction they go in.

I agree for the most part. The GORs make it difficult to poach any quality teams and if the SEC, Big Ten or Pac 12 wanted to expand with any team available now they would have already done so. Unless the Big 12 dissolves, nothing happens until the GORs expire and then we get another round of realignment musical chairs.
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I don't pretend to understand the problems that Cuse and BC have with UCONN ,but UCONN is the next name out there not already in a P5. They have quite a few NC between the men and women's BB programs and to be honest outside of Clemson ,FSU , and VT there is no real impressive football being played in the ACC. I could not honestly tell you what the mind set of the ACC is. It seems to me from an outside prospective this would be their best available add.
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(11-12-2013 03:08 PM)FUB Wrote:  I don't pretend to understand the problems that Cuse and BC have with UCONN ,but UCONN is the next name out there not already in a P5. They have quite a few NC between the men and women's BB programs and to be honest outside of Clemson ,FSU , and VT there is no real impressive football being played in the ACC. I could not honestly tell you what the mind set of the ACC is. It seems to me from an outside prospective this would be their best available add.

FUB - BC wants to be the only college FBS level football program in New England - that's their problem with UConn - it's real simple. Syracuse wants to be the only FBS level football program with direct ties into NYC - downstate NY for want of a better word. That is their problem with UConn. Neither really want the economic competition with UConn. When that is combined with FSU's, Clemson's, and GT's demand not to add Northeastern Basketball schools to the ACC - that's five no votes off the bat. FSU, Clemson, and GT don't want UConn because they can't sell football tickets for UConn and football is their bread and butter sport.

It's not personal, it's economic.
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(11-12-2013 03:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:08 PM)FUB Wrote:  I don't pretend to understand the problems that Cuse and BC have with UCONN ,but UCONN is the next name out there not already in a P5. They have quite a few NC between the men and women's BB programs and to be honest outside of Clemson ,FSU , and VT there is no real impressive football being played in the ACC. I could not honestly tell you what the mind set of the ACC is. It seems to me from an outside prospective this would be their best available add.

FUB - BC wants to be the only college FBS level football program in New England - that's their problem with UConn - it's real simple. Syracuse wants to be the only FBS level football program with direct ties into NYC - downstate NY for want of a better word. That is their problem with UConn. Neither really want the economic competition with UConn. When that is combined with FSU's, Clemson's, and GT's demand not to add Northeastern Basketball schools to the ACC - that's five no votes off the bat. FSU, Clemson, and GT don't want UConn because they can't sell football tickets for UConn and football is their bread and butter sport.

It's not personal, it's economic.

This and the fact both have been playing Big Boy FB forever and UConn got a free pass to the Big Time. NE FB is a zero sum game.
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(11-12-2013 03:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:08 PM)FUB Wrote:  I don't pretend to understand the problems that Cuse and BC have with UCONN ,but UCONN is the next name out there not already in a P5. They have quite a few NC between the men and women's BB programs and to be honest outside of Clemson ,FSU , and VT there is no real impressive football being played in the ACC. I could not honestly tell you what the mind set of the ACC is. It seems to me from an outside prospective this would be their best available add.

FUB - BC wants to be the only college FBS level football program in New England - that's their problem with UConn - it's real simple. Syracuse wants to be the only FBS level football program with direct ties into NYC - downstate NY for want of a better word. That is their problem with UConn. Neither really want the economic competition with UConn. When that is combined with FSU's, Clemson's, and GT's demand not to add Northeastern Basketball schools to the ACC - that's five no votes off the bat. FSU, Clemson, and GT don't want UConn because they can't sell football tickets for UConn and football is their bread and butter sport.

It's not personal, it's economic.

This and the fact both have been playing Big Boy FB for ever and UConn got a free pass to the Big Time. NE FB is a zero sum game.

Excellent point about NE football. Lacrosse kills it.
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The ACC has 15 teams, if three teams are added that makes 18. Why would the ACC add UConn and Cincy instead of just adding Navy as a football only match to ND?

Remember, anytime you talk about adding UConn, BC is a vote against them and FSU and Clemson do not want them for football purposes. It only takes 4 votes to get blackballed. Also the ACC doesn't add a market with UConn - BC, Syracuse, ND, and Duke interest overlaps the UConn media market, and Louisville and ND and especially Kentucky and Ohio State overlap into the Cincy market.

I've indicated before the ACC is more likely to add Iowa State than UConn - well there is a reason for that - Iowa State adds marketfoot print. The only expansion inside the current ACC footprint that could get 12 votes are Penn State, Florida, Georgia, and Navy, if by adding Navy ND played at least 8 conference football games.
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Whoah. Louisville does not get you the Cincinnati market. I will admit there is some overlap in the southern edges of the DMA, but not to many people on the Ohio side care to watch Louisville unless they are playing UC. Even the Cincinnati suburbs in Northern Kentucky is very pro UK and Cincinnati. There are a very small minority of Louisville fans in Greater Cincinnati.

The biggest piece you are also forgetting is the people who would watch UC play an ACC school north of Cincinnati--- meaning Dayton, Columbus, Toledo and Cleveland. Those are all good markets especially coupled with Cincinnati. Dayton and Columbus are particularly stocked with UC alums.
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(11-12-2013 03:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:08 PM)FUB Wrote:  I don't pretend to understand the problems that Cuse and BC have with UCONN ,but UCONN is the next name out there not already in a P5. They have quite a few NC between the men and women's BB programs and to be honest outside of Clemson ,FSU , and VT there is no real impressive football being played in the ACC. I could not honestly tell you what the mind set of the ACC is. It seems to me from an outside prospective this would be their best available add.

FUB - BC wants to be the only college FBS level football program in New England - that's their problem with UConn - it's real simple. Syracuse wants to be the only FBS level football program with direct ties into NYC - downstate NY for want of a better word. That is their problem with UConn. Neither really want the economic competition with UConn. When that is combined with FSU's, Clemson's, and GT's demand not to add Northeastern Basketball schools to the ACC - that's five no votes off the bat. FSU, Clemson, and GT don't want UConn because they can't sell football tickets for UConn and football is their bread and butter sport.

It's not personal, it's economic.

This and the fact both have been playing Big Boy FB forever and UConn got a free pass to the Big Time. NE FB is a zero sum game.

Free pass and still have a winning record over historic Cuse. At least you have the honesty to admit that you are afraid of UConn.

And the "Syracuse gets you NYC" argument is a joke. Baltimore is 185 miles from NYC, D.C. is 225, and Syracuse is 250 miles away. Even if you ignore the wealthiest part of CT which is about 40 miles from NYC, then you are still left with the outer-reaches of Hartford-New Haven (#30 market itself) 115 miles away.
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(11-12-2013 03:41 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  
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(11-12-2013 03:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:08 PM)FUB Wrote:  I don't pretend to understand the problems that Cuse and BC have with UCONN ,but UCONN is the next name out there not already in a P5. They have quite a few NC between the men and women's BB programs and to be honest outside of Clemson ,FSU , and VT there is no real impressive football being played in the ACC. I could not honestly tell you what the mind set of the ACC is. It seems to me from an outside prospective this would be their best available add.

FUB - BC wants to be the only college FBS level football program in New England - that's their problem with UConn - it's real simple. Syracuse wants to be the only FBS level football program with direct ties into NYC - downstate NY for want of a better word. That is their problem with UConn. Neither really want the economic competition with UConn. When that is combined with FSU's, Clemson's, and GT's demand not to add Northeastern Basketball schools to the ACC - that's five no votes off the bat. FSU, Clemson, and GT don't want UConn because they can't sell football tickets for UConn and football is their bread and butter sport.

It's not personal, it's economic.

This and the fact both have been playing Big Boy FB forever and UConn got a free pass to the Big Time. NE FB is a zero sum game.

Free pass and still have a winning record over historic Cuse. At least you have the honesty to admit that you are afraid of UConn.

And the "Syracuse gets you NYC" argument is a joke. Baltimore is 185 miles from NYC, D.C. is 225, and Syracuse is 250 miles away. Even if you ignore the wealthiest part of CT which is about 40 miles from NYC, then you are still left with the outer-reaches of Hartford-New Haven (#30 market itself) 115 miles away.

sorry but uconn simply does not have a NY presence and syracuse does. go look at ESPN NY. they list 13 college teams including cuse & rutgers........but not uconn.

i wonder why........
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(11-12-2013 03:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:41 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:22 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2013 03:08 PM)FUB Wrote:  I don't pretend to understand the problems that Cuse and BC have with UCONN ,but UCONN is the next name out there not already in a P5. They have quite a few NC between the men and women's BB programs and to be honest outside of Clemson ,FSU , and VT there is no real impressive football being played in the ACC. I could not honestly tell you what the mind set of the ACC is. It seems to me from an outside prospective this would be their best available add.

FUB - BC wants to be the only college FBS level football program in New England - that's their problem with UConn - it's real simple. Syracuse wants to be the only FBS level football program with direct ties into NYC - downstate NY for want of a better word. That is their problem with UConn. Neither really want the economic competition with UConn. When that is combined with FSU's, Clemson's, and GT's demand not to add Northeastern Basketball schools to the ACC - that's five no votes off the bat. FSU, Clemson, and GT don't want UConn because they can't sell football tickets for UConn and football is their bread and butter sport.

It's not personal, it's economic.

This and the fact both have been playing Big Boy FB forever and UConn got a free pass to the Big Time. NE FB is a zero sum game.

Free pass and still have a winning record over historic Cuse. At least you have the honesty to admit that you are afraid of UConn.

And the "Syracuse gets you NYC" argument is a joke. Baltimore is 185 miles from NYC, D.C. is 225, and Syracuse is 250 miles away. Even if you ignore the wealthiest part of CT which is about 40 miles from NYC, then you are still left with the outer-reaches of Hartford-New Haven (#30 market itself) 115 miles away.

sorry but uconn simply does not have a NY presence and syracuse does. go look at ESPN NY. they list 13 college teams including cuse & rutgers........but not uconn.

i wonder why........

Well that is scientific. When a third of your state is located in the NYC DMA, it's pretty safe to say UConn has a NYC presence.

UConn's home market is Hartford, but has a nice presence in NYC and your lying to yourself if you think otherwise.

I take it you never made it to the BET in the Garden.

EDIT: LOL the first headline under ESPN NY College is related to UConn football chaning QBs (for a third time, ugh)

Double Edit: Looks like that link isn't specific to "NY" College teams considering the next story is regarding Florida, still pretty ironic.
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