Starting next year we loose 2 teams and gain a few more.

How long do people expect this conference setup to last before the P5 decide to start the next round of shuffling?

I expect a couple from this conference to slide over to the next level, I am curious if the AAC would survive the next round of raping?

(11-11-2013 08:54 AM)nosurf2day Wrote:  Starting next year we loose 2 teams and gain a few more.

How long do people expect this conference setup to last before the P5 decide to start the next round of shuffling?

I expect a couple from this conference to slide over to the next level, I am curious if the AAC would survive the next round of raping?

It has too. Nobody wants to go to CUSA or the Sunbelt. If the AAC gets raided again, Houston, SMU and Tulsa are probably going west.

I suspect that UC, BYU, UCF,USF, UConn will be the most likely suspects for the next round of realignment. UConn is such a natural ACC fit, but I'm not sure how they get to 16 without ND (WVU?, UC?)

The BIG doesn't have anymore big name targets, the SEC wants into VA & NC. Ultimately, I think the Texoma crew goes west to the Pac12. The SEC gets VT & NCst. The B1G grabs Kansas or UVA/Syracuse to solidify their hold on NYC & DC. The ACC grabs WVU, UC, UConn. The remnants of the B12 grab some MWC & AAC schools.

UCF is still left out in the cold. Will be in an east coast conference with ECU, USF, UAB, Charlotte, Temple, ODU, etc.

Big meetings in January. Already some warning shots fired. It could happen then or it might take a year or two.

I don't see WV in the ACC. Plenty of hard feelings on both sides.

I don't see Uconn in the ACC. They didn't have the support prior to last expansion and the new additions don't seem too thrilled about them either.

personally, i think 14 is the magic number not 16. i think OU/TX to the pac12 is the ultimate end result.

the remaining b8 schools have some options

1. stay at 8 and form a best of the rest power conference

2. get to 14 by poaching the best FB schools from the mwc, aac or add a combination of both

3. try to rebuild into a future power conference. the best schools to do that IMO. CSU, new mexico, BYU, usf, ucf, cincy

(11-11-2013 09:48 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Big meetings in January. Already some warning shots fired. It could happen then or it might take a year or two.

I don't see WV in the ACC. Plenty of hard feelings on both sides.

I don't see Uconn in the ACC. They didn't have the support prior to last expansion and the new additions don't seem too thrilled about them either.

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SU, & LV would most likely be the biggest opponents of their inclusion

(11-11-2013 09:48 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Big meetings in January. Already some warning shots fired. It could happen then or it might take a year or two.

I don't see WV in the ACC. Plenty of hard feelings on both sides.

I don't see Uconn in the ACC. They didn't have the support prior to last expansion and the new additions don't seem too thrilled about them either.

If the ACC is raided by the Big Ten, I don't think they have a choice. Five years ago, the idea of Louisville in the ACC was comically stupid. But if the B1G actually does manage to raid the ACC, the choice will be for FSU and maybe Clemson to make. Is adding WVU and UConn good enough to not blow the whole thing up and form some kind of merged conference with the Big 12? What else could they do?

Other than the Sun Belt adding a 12th football playing member, I don't envision any movement over the next few years. But realignment will never end.

The Big 12 will have to expand to 14 as will the Pac 12 to give balance to the P5. Problem is how They reach it. Will Texas and Oklahoma go to Pac and leave Big 12 adding 6 say BSU, BYU, UC, Houston, UCF, USF. This would give 6 like minded Football schools added to Big12 and 2 Brand name schools to the Pac 12. Big12 can't say not so as without Texas and Oklahoma They no longer have the clout to say none of the other invites don't add value for the Big contract They currently have. But it keeps Them alive in P5.

(11-11-2013 10:19 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 09:48 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Big meetings in January. Already some warning shots fired. It could happen then or it might take a year or two.

I don't see WV in the ACC. Plenty of hard feelings on both sides.

I don't see Uconn in the ACC. They didn't have the support prior to last expansion and the new additions don't seem too thrilled about them either.

this^^^^^^^

SU, & LV would most likely be the biggest opponents of their inclusion

And why would Louisville oppose UConn?

It's obvious Syracuse's administration is cowarding to Northeast competition as it watched UConn football and basketball surpass it while in the Big East together, but Louisville opposition makes literally no sense.

(11-11-2013 10:57 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 10:19 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 09:48 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Big meetings in January. Already some warning shots fired. It could happen then or it might take a year or two.

I don't see WV in the ACC. Plenty of hard feelings on both sides.

I don't see Uconn in the ACC. They didn't have the support prior to last expansion and the new additions don't seem too thrilled about them either.

this^^^^^^^

SU, & LV would most likely be the biggest opponents of their inclusion

And why would Louisville oppose UConn?

It's obvious Syracuse's administration is cowarding to Northeast competition as it watched UConn football and basketball surpass it while in the Big East together, but Louisville opposition makes literally no sense.

they become a 5th wheel. of the 5 power programs in the acc, unc-duke are paired, su-uconn are paired.

Unfortunately for the members of the G5 looking to make a move, adding these schools is a last ditch effort. The sad truth is they aren't wanted in the P5 as it exists today or in the near future.

(11-11-2013 11:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately for the members of the G5 looking to make a move, adding these schools is a last ditch effort. The sad truth is they aren't wanted in the P5 as it exists today or in the near future.

heck i think there are some schools in the p5 that are not even wanted

(11-11-2013 11:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately for the members of the G5 looking to make a move, adding these schools is a last ditch effort. The sad truth is they aren't wanted in the P5 as it exists today or in the near future.

I find that funny. We have consistently seen schools changing conferences since the 90s, yet today is the day it is decided that the line is drawn and there are officially no worthy programs left.

The B1G has a media deal coming up, the ACC has a 5 year look-in, the Big 12 has no conference championship game.

If we get past the 5 year look-in for the ACC with no additions from the Group of 5 you will be correct, but I foresee anywhere from 2-15 more teams being included in the P5.

(11-11-2013 11:12 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 11:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately for the members of the G5 looking to make a move, adding these schools is a last ditch effort. The sad truth is they aren't wanted in the P5 as it exists today or in the near future.

I find that funny. We have consistently seen schools changing conferences since the 90s, yet today is the day it is decided that the line is drawn and there are officially no worthy programs left.

The B1G has a media deal coming up, the ACC has a 5 year look-in, the Big 12 has no conference championship game.

If we get past the 5 year look-in for the ACC with no additions from the Group of 5 you will be correct, but I foresee anywhere from 2-15 more teams being included in the P5.

That line has been solidifying for 30 years.

(11-11-2013 11:16 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 11:12 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 11:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately for the members of the G5 looking to make a move, adding these schools is a last ditch effort. The sad truth is they aren't wanted in the P5 as it exists today or in the near future.

I find that funny. We have consistently seen schools changing conferences since the 90s, yet today is the day it is decided that the line is drawn and there are officially no worthy programs left.

The B1G has a media deal coming up, the ACC has a 5 year look-in, the Big 12 has no conference championship game.

If we get past the 5 year look-in for the ACC with no additions from the Group of 5 you will be correct, but I foresee anywhere from 2-15 more teams being included in the P5.

That line has been solidifying for 30 years.

I agree there is an end game. Don't agree it is today. We'll have to check in after the first Acc contract look-in to see who ends up being correct.

(11-11-2013 11:12 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 11:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately for the members of the G5 looking to make a move, adding these schools is a last ditch effort. The sad truth is they aren't wanted in the P5 as it exists today or in the near future.

I find that funny. We have consistently seen schools changing conferences since the 90s, yet today is the day it is decided that the line is drawn and there are officially no worthy programs left.

The B1G has a media deal coming up, the ACC has a 5 year look-in, the Big 12 has no conference championship game.

If we get past the 5 year look-in for the ACC with no additions from the Group of 5 you will be correct, but I foresee anywhere from 2-15 more teams being included in the P5.

heres my opinion on uconn

negatives:
-bad facilities
-lacks football history
-its been shown time & time again that a school cant get into the p5 just because it has a BB program
-doesnt offer any decent recruiting grounds
-bad football
-the personal vendetta that some schools have against them (fsu, clemson, bc, & syracuse)

positives:
-decent basketball
-somewhat decent academics
-decent state size
-somewhat close to NYC
-flagship landgrant

(11-11-2013 11:21 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 11:12 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 11:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately for the members of the G5 looking to make a move, adding these schools is a last ditch effort. The sad truth is they aren't wanted in the P5 as it exists today or in the near future.

I find that funny. We have consistently seen schools changing conferences since the 90s, yet today is the day it is decided that the line is drawn and there are officially no worthy programs left.

The B1G has a media deal coming up, the ACC has a 5 year look-in, the Big 12 has no conference championship game.

If we get past the 5 year look-in for the ACC with no additions from the Group of 5 you will be correct, but I foresee anywhere from 2-15 more teams being included in the P5.

heres my opinion on uconn

negatives:
-bad facilities
-lacks football history
-its been shown time & time again that a school cant get into the p5 just because it has a BB program
-doesnt offer any decent recruiting grounds
-bad football
-the personal vendetta that some schools have against them (fsu, clemson, bc, & syracuse)

positives:
-decent basketball
-somewhat decent academics
-decent state size
-somewhat close to NYC
-flagship landgrant

What does this have to do with the conversation at hand?

Just curious, but what facilities at UConn are bad?

(11-11-2013 11:34 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Just curious, but what facilities at UConn are bad?

I think he means comparatively.

I don't know anything about UConn's facilities but I'd bet money they aren't as nice as Clemson's, UNC's, or Florida State's.

Ok, I will play :

Big 10 adds Kansas and Virginia to reach 16.

PAC 12 adds Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to reach 16.

SEC adds West Virginia and Kansas State to reach 16.

ACC adds Connecticut, Cincinnati and Navy (football only) to reach 16.

The Big 12 three (3) left overs are Iowa State, TCU and Baylor. The American nine (9) left overs are Temple, East Carolina, Memphis, South Florida, Central Florida, Tulane, SMU, Houston and Tulsa. I suspect the American absorbs Iowa State, TCU and Baylor. Then raids the MWC for San Diego State, Fresno, Boise and Colorado State, also. American 16 will look like this:

1) Temple
2) East Carolina
3) Memphis
4) Central Florida
5) South Florida
6)Tulane
7) Iowa State
8) Tulsa
9) TCU
10) Baylor
11) SMU
12) Houston
13) Colorado State
14) Boise State
15) Fresno State
16) San Diego State

Now the American has become the 5th Power Conference , while the Big 12 has been dissolved.

The only un answered question is do the Sun Belt, CUSA, MAC and the MWC go to 16 teams, if they do which one of these 4 dies?