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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-10-2013 11:18 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  NIU fans can wish in one hand and schit in the other and see which one fills up faster.

That's the weirdest thing I've read today. How exactly does one fill one's hand with wishes? I assume you only get three; is stacking an issue?
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-10-2013 09:57 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Keep trolling on our board. The MAC currently has seven, yes seven teams with 3 wins or less. You can tout how great this league is all you want because a couple computers say so but when over 50% of your league has three wins or less at week 10 of the season the league sucks.
You are aware that the average number of wins in conference games is 50%? If you have five teams with a total of two conference losses, with those two losses limited to that group, and from four to six conference wins each, that implies most of those wins came at the expense of other conference schools.

So basically you are saying that the MAC is a crap conference because six schools are already bowl eligible, compared to the MWC with only three bowl eligible schools so far.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-10-2013 11:18 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  
(11-10-2013 09:57 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

Sure playing the weak MAC teams will bring down NIU's rankings just like when Akron, Buffalo, and Kent play NIU in hoops, their RPIs take a hit. As good as NIU is in football, they are even worse in basketball. They are literally the EMU football of college basketball.

Here's one thing to consider. If those teams would have more wins than they currently do if they played in the MAC, would NIU have as many wins if they played in a tougher conference? The next time NIU bottoms out, should they be kicked out of the MAC?

I love when NIU hoops is thrown under the bus as if them not being in this league would suddenly morph the MAC into the MVC or A-10 and multiple bids would be flowing every year just by taking NIU off the schedule. Keep singing that song and applauding your teams when basically everybody is sitting north of 100 in the RPI year in, year out and you are jockeying for the one league tournament bid. It has gotten to the point in hoops where a low double digit seed is considered a win for the conference. I agree, you can totally pin on NIU why Akron is a 13 seed and not a 9 seed. I am sure the selection committee pin points two wins over NIU as the reason why the MAC representative should be a lower seed.

That argument carries much more weight on the football side where NIU basically sat idle in the polls the last three weeks as they plowed through the portion of the conference schedule that is the equivalent of the FCS Ohio Valley. Then to top it off, for those of us that actually follow more than just the MAC, we got to sit and listen to those homers on ESPN plead to the voters on why NIU is undeserving and playing a weak schedule doesn't mean they are an elite team or deserving of a better ranking or bowl than anyone else. So I guess you could say quality of competition in this league is squarely in focus these days.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-11-2013 12:34 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(11-10-2013 09:57 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Keep trolling on our board. The MAC currently has seven, yes seven teams with 3 wins or less. You can tout how great this league is all you want because a couple computers say so but when over 50% of your league has three wins or less at week 10 of the season the league sucks.
You are aware that the average number of wins in conference games is 50%? If you have five teams with a total of two conference losses, with those two losses limited to that group, and from four to six conference wins each, that implies most of those wins came at the expense of other conference schools.

So basically you are saying that the MAC is a crap conference because six schools are already bowl eligible, compared to the MWC with only three bowl eligible schools so far.

Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. There is nothing impressive about teams bolstering their win totals in conference to make a bowl game after laying an egg out of conference. So come bowl season what does that tell us about league depth. MAC bowl record over the last six seasons:

2007: 0 - 3
2008: 0 - 5
2009: 1 - 4
2010: 2 - 2
2011: 4 - 1
2012: 2 - 5

Tells me this conference lacks depth. Only one winning record in the post season over the last six years. This is largely against G5 competition, the leagues we are supposedly ranked higher than. If you want to gauge how we measure up, no better way than beating your peers which clearly we aren't so good at.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-11-2013 01:38 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I love when NIU hoops is thrown under the bus as if them not being in this league would suddenly morph the MAC into the MVC or A-10 and multiple bids would be flowing every year just by taking NIU off the schedule.
Except you are just imagining that "as if". While there actually are naive kids on this board who seem to think that tossing EMU out of the conference would be some kind of magic FB upgrade, the point that people are making when pointing to the shoes of NIU BBall underneath the bus (throwing it under the bus would be redundant, as its already there) is that schools that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
Well the MAC isn't exactly the SEC without EMU in football....
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
Why is an NIU fan arguing what all MAC fans argue against come bowl season? We were underdogs in all 7 bowl games, and won 2. So actually how bad are we? Our 6th and 7th best teams won their games. Sounds like a deep conference to me.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-11-2013 01:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Why is an NIU fan arguing what all MAC fans argue against come bowl season?
Because some NIU fans are hyperventilating about Fresno State being ranked one ahead of NIU in the BCS rankings, and this one has latched onto blaming the MAC for what is just an accident of NIU having its strongest in-conference games stacked up at the end of the season.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-11-2013 01:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Why is an NIU fan arguing what all MAC fans argue against come bowl season? We were underdogs in all 7 bowl games, and won 2. So actually how bad are we? Our 6th and 7th best teams won their games. Sounds like a deep conference to me.

But wait, I thought we were the highest rated G5 conference? Did I not read that post correctly? Doesn't seem like that to me when our #2 - 5 teams got smoked by other G5 teams last post season. Our only two wins were against the Sun Belt, so I guess we should be ranked just ahead of them then.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
Kind of funny that one team would rise to the top due to a very weak schedule and once they get there and the critics point out they played a weak schedule they are all of a sudden pissed at the conference. With a tougher conference schedule you aren't rolling the table like you did.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-10-2013 09:37 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  NIU fans acting like CMU fans during the LeFevoure years. Too good for the MAC. If I had a dollar every time the latest MAC champs fans thought they are better than the MAC, I'd be retired.

Maybe we should have left NIU in the Big West after their last over-inflated ego problem.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=659...pid9985667

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Just for the sake of supposition, I would like to see one text where a CMU fan said we were too good for the MAC (during LeFevour or non LeFevour years).
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-11-2013 08:00 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote:  
(11-10-2013 09:37 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  NIU fans acting like CMU fans during the LeFevoure years. Too good for the MAC. If I had a dollar every time the latest MAC champs fans thought they are better than the MAC, I'd be retired.

Maybe we should have left NIU in the Big West after their last over-inflated ego problem.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=659...pid9985667

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Just for the sake of supposition, I would like to see one text where a CMU fan said we were too good for the MAC (during LeFevour or non LeFevour years).

excactly, there are minimal cmu fans here, noone (cmu fans) was on here spewing how cmu was too good for the MAC.
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(11-11-2013 08:00 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote:  
(11-10-2013 09:37 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  NIU fans acting like CMU fans during the LeFevoure years. Too good for the MAC. If I had a dollar every time the latest MAC champs fans thought they are better than the MAC, I'd be retired.

Maybe we should have left NIU in the Big West after their last over-inflated ego problem.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=659...pid9985667

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Just for the sake of supposition, I would like to see one text where a CMU fan said we were too good for the MAC (during LeFevour or non LeFevour years).


How about this?

Quote:A CMU fan said, "We were too good for the MAC during (the) LeFevour...years."

Proof enough?
Thank you.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
A few spoiled NIU fans don't ruin the whole fanbase, just looked at OU and a few of their lovely fans that hang around here.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
Johnny Come Lately? The NIU football turnaround started in 2003 so a decade of consistent higher quality football in DeKalb is more than a flash in the pan.

I always wonder how many of these NIU fans demanding a conference change have only been around for the good days of NIU football? Say, fans since 2003 and later? I'd imagine most all of them. But that is sheer guess, on which I wouldn’t bet a nickel.
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Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
Dr Torch hit the nail on the head in the ESPN thread... Some schools are actively trying to improve, some schools it is tough to tell, and then we have a couple schools who really don't look like they have any interest in attempting to fund their program to compete at the D-1 level in the money sports.

Quote:NIU, Buffalo, Ohio and Akron- Overtly active in trying to improve athletics, and institutions as a whole.

Toledo- pushing forward, but slower pace.

Kent, CMU, WMU, Ball St- Not fully idle, but squandered opportunities. Give appearance of accepting status quo. Perhaps improved status quo from 20 years ago, or perhaps not.

The remaining three- Fair to question their committment to improvement.
Spme of the schools who aren't actively trying to improve may just be in a rough spot in their trustee/president history with a leader who doesn't see the value in investing in this area.

However, one of those schools should have never even tried to compete at this level in the first place. The demographics and academic structure just isn't there. D-1 athletics isn't for community colleges.

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As long as the system is structured so that conferences share revenue for individual teams national success (NIU's massive bowl payout, the lesser amount we receive from wins in the NCAA tournament, and the amount of money successful programs are able to attract from TV viewership agreements) I think it is completely fair to question your financial conference partners level of commitment.

There are a couple schools willing to invest big money in athletic programs to hopefully get big exposure that enhances the value of a degree from the University not to mention a financial return on that investment.

Then you have a couple schools who have no interest in putting up the funding necessary to win at the highest level of college athletics yet they get a cut of the pie when their conference mates who are trying have success.
There are programs out there who are willing to make the investments necessary to win at this level. A couple of these programs would fit with the demographics of this conference.

The MAC would be better off if it was made up entirely of programs committed to competing at this level.
Until that happens, the complaints of donors from committed programs is justified.

A silly argument from people defending mediocrity is "well then go join another conference." That is ridiculous. The MAC is completely capable of being a successful conference when the programs who have no interest in competing at this level admit they are just here for free money and leave. Or the conference gets a real leader who is willing to cut off the leaches.

The potential is here. Stop identifying with the leaches and dream bigger.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-11-2013 08:33 AM)axeme Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 08:00 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote:  
(11-10-2013 09:37 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  NIU fans acting like CMU fans during the LeFevoure years. Too good for the MAC. If I had a dollar every time the latest MAC champs fans thought they are better than the MAC, I'd be retired.

Maybe we should have left NIU in the Big West after their last over-inflated ego problem.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=659...pid9985667

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Just for the sake of supposition, I would like to see one text where a CMU fan said we were too good for the MAC (during LeFevour or non LeFevour years).


How about this?

Quote:A CMU fan said, "We were too good for the Miami program during and after (the) LeFevour...years."

Proof enough?
Thank you.

Fixed.
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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-11-2013 09:32 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 08:33 AM)axeme Wrote:  
(11-11-2013 08:00 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote:  
(11-10-2013 09:37 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  NIU fans acting like CMU fans during the LeFevoure years. Too good for the MAC. If I had a dollar every time the latest MAC champs fans thought they are better than the MAC, I'd be retired.

Maybe we should have left NIU in the Big West after their last over-inflated ego problem.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=659...pid9985667

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Just for the sake of supposition, I would like to see one text where a CMU fan said we were too good for the MAC (during LeFevour or non LeFevour years).


How about this?

Quote:A CMU fan said, "We were too good for the Miami program during and after (the) LeFevour...years."

Proof enough?
Thank you.

Fixed.

LOL 03-lmfao

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RE: Here we go again - The Johnny Come Lately NIU acting like they are too good for MAC
(11-11-2013 08:00 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote:  
(11-10-2013 09:37 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  NIU fans acting like CMU fans during the LeFevoure years. Too good for the MAC. If I had a dollar every time the latest MAC champs fans thought they are better than the MAC, I'd be retired.

Maybe we should have left NIU in the Big West after their last over-inflated ego problem.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=659...pid9985667

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Just for the sake of supposition, I would like to see one text where a CMU fan said we were too good for the MAC (during LeFevour or non LeFevour years).

That might have been the Temple (not CMU) fans...how are they doing these days?
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