Ryan Autullo ‏@AutulloBlade Wrote:Kowalczyk said sophomore point guard Josh Lemons will likely redshirt. Lemons' choice with input from coaches.

A little odd, but not a bad move. On the post game coverage, Mark and Jay said there was a chance he might be RS.

It is interesting...so the freshman Williams is basically the back-up point guard? Of the 3 true freshmen, he did seem the most game-ready as of tonight's game. Still, Lemons was supposed to be one of our best on-the-ball defenders, so I hope we don't miss that.

(11-09-2013 09:44 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  It is interesting...so the freshman Williams is basically the back-up point guard? Of the 3 true freshmen, he did seem the most game-ready as of tonight's game. Still, Lemons was supposed to be one of our best on-the-ball defenders, so I hope we don't miss that.

Drummond will man the point more as will Williams. Neither is Juice bt who is?

he played in the exhibition though, right. Doesn't that burn the season, unless it is a medical RS?

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  he played in the exhibition though, right. Doesn't that burn the season, unless it is a medical RS?

Exhibition games do not count.

(11-09-2013 10:34 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  he played in the exhibition though, right. Doesn't that burn the season, unless it is a medical RS?

Exhibition games do not count.

Yes they do, unless they are before the first year of competition.

Quote:14.02.9 I ntercollegiate Competition. Intercollegiate competition occurs when a student-athlete in either a two-year or a four-year collegiate institution: (Revised: 1/10/95)
(a) Represents the institution in any contest against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmage, exhibition or joint practice session with another institution’s team) or whether the student is enrolled in a minimum full-time program of studies; (Revised: 1/10/91)

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:34 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  he played in the exhibition though, right. Doesn't that burn the season, unless it is a medical RS?

Exhibition games do not count.

Yes they do, unless they are before the first year of competition.

Quote:14.02.9 I ntercollegiate Competition. Intercollegiate competition occurs when a student-athlete in either a two-year or a four-year collegiate institution: (Revised: 1/10/95)
(a) Represents the institution in any contest against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmage, exhibition or joint practice session with another institution’s team) or whether the student is enrolled in a minimum full-time program of studies; (Revised: 1/10/91)

No they don't. Aubrey Williams played in both exhibition games last year - the 1 before the regular season started, and the 1 in the middle of the season - and still kept his redshirt.

And the coaches know the rules. Why else would they play him in the exhibition game, then say they are going to redshirt him?

(11-09-2013 11:04 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:34 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  he played in the exhibition though, right. Doesn't that burn the season, unless it is a medical RS?

Exhibition games do not count.

Yes they do, unless they are before the first year of competition.

Quote:14.02.9 I ntercollegiate Competition. Intercollegiate competition occurs when a student-athlete in either a two-year or a four-year collegiate institution: (Revised: 1/10/95)
(a) Represents the institution in any contest against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmage, exhibition or joint practice session with another institution’s team) or whether the student is enrolled in a minimum full-time program of studies; (Revised: 1/10/91)

No they don't. Aubrey Williams played in both exhibition games last year - the 1 before the regular season started, and the 1 in the middle of the season - and still kept his redshirt.

And the coaches know the rules. Why else would they play him in the exhibition game, then say they are going to redshirt him?

That's because he was a freshman. There's an exception for incoming freshmen. Lemons isn't a freshman.

(11-09-2013 11:10 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:04 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:34 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:08 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  he played in the exhibition though, right. Doesn't that burn the season, unless it is a medical RS?

Exhibition games do not count.

Yes they do, unless they are before the first year of competition.

Quote:14.02.9 I ntercollegiate Competition. Intercollegiate competition occurs when a student-athlete in either a two-year or a four-year collegiate institution: (Revised: 1/10/95)
(a) Represents the institution in any contest against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmage, exhibition or joint practice session with another institution’s team) or whether the student is enrolled in a minimum full-time program of studies; (Revised: 1/10/91)

No they don't. Aubrey Williams played in both exhibition games last year - the 1 before the regular season started, and the 1 in the middle of the season - and still kept his redshirt.

And the coaches know the rules. Why else would they play him in the exhibition game, then say they are going to redshirt him?

That's because he was a freshman. There's an exception for incoming freshmen. Lemons isn't a freshman.

It's not that difficult to understand - if he had already burned his RS for the year, why would TK say they still plan on RS him? And there is no difference between a FR and anyone else.

And the rule you quoted talks about "Intercollegiate Competition". Nowhere does it mention anything about redshirting.

(11-09-2013 11:15 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:10 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:04 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:34 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Exhibition games do not count.

Yes they do, unless they are before the first year of competition.

Quote:14.02.9 I ntercollegiate Competition. Intercollegiate competition occurs when a student-athlete in either a two-year or a four-year collegiate institution: (Revised: 1/10/95)
(a) Represents the institution in any contest against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmage, exhibition or joint practice session with another institution’s team) or whether the student is enrolled in a minimum full-time program of studies; (Revised: 1/10/91)

No they don't. Aubrey Williams played in both exhibition games last year - the 1 before the regular season started, and the 1 in the middle of the season - and still kept his redshirt.

And the coaches know the rules. Why else would they play him in the exhibition game, then say they are going to redshirt him?

That's because he was a freshman. There's an exception for incoming freshmen. Lemons isn't a freshman.

It's not that difficult to understand - if he had already burned his RS for the year, why would TK say they still plan on RS him? And there is no difference between a FR and anyone else.

And the rule you quoted talks about "Intercollegiate Competition". Nowhere does it mention anything about redshirting.

I didn't bother to quote all the relevant rules, and am too tired to find them now, but basically they say any competition (as defined above) counts as a season of eligibility, with some exceptions. The one about exhibitions says it only applies in the players first year of competition.

I don't know, maybe I am missing something, but I thought the NCAA rules are pretty clear, but maybe not. There must be something else in the rules that I don't know about, I guess.

well, if he is redshirting, he can still take it off midseason if juice or Williams goes down and we need him. he can still run full speed in practice and push guys. I also believe he's a good student. this allows him to rs, be a backup for 2 seasons after and have the option to transfer somewhere for grad school and start his 5th yr if he isn't expected to get a a lot of time at UT. this is becoming a common move by academically strong kids who rs or get their degree early and give themselves the option of a 5th yr transfer w immediate eligibility.

I thought jonjon Williams was a player in the making. he wants to ball. he is good and will improve. lauf has a lot of instinct, athleticism, and decent skill but may need some time to find his flow in the game at this level. I think he might be a role player for a few yrs but have a breakout yr or stretch of games at some point. garber looked great. can't go wrong w a big guy who knows how to play and can shoot. he is also pretty physical and aggressive. won't be dominant until his body develops more but has that potential.

weatherspoon is half oddball half amazing. will be fun to have him around. reminds me a bit of robierre cullars with a little more power and a little less dribble game. he will embarrass some people in their homes this yr.

boston college will be tough. they had a tough opener losing in ot at a decent providence team.

overall, I think we may be more of a second half of the season team. it will this group time to learn their style, but you gotta like the potential. in a funny way they remind me of better Joplin teams w a lot of good rangy midsize guys. a lot of deflections and quickness on d and pg to push it. Joplin used the 3 pointer and the 2 man game a lot. coach k will have to mold an offense to fit the strengths and limitations of his players, but there's potential. we got guys who drive, rebound, finish, dish, and shoot mid range. we are not a strong 3 point shooting team

(11-09-2013 11:25 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:15 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:10 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:04 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:56 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Yes they do, unless they are before the first year of competition.

No they don't. Aubrey Williams played in both exhibition games last year - the 1 before the regular season started, and the 1 in the middle of the season - and still kept his redshirt.

And the coaches know the rules. Why else would they play him in the exhibition game, then say they are going to redshirt him?

If RS isn't allowed the Greece trip would have counted and exhibitions would be moot. I'm pretty sure it's happened before here with non- frosh.

That's because he was a freshman. There's an exception for incoming freshmen. Lemons isn't a freshman.

It's not that difficult to understand - if he had already burned his RS for the year, why would TK say they still plan on RS him? And there is no difference between a FR and anyone else.

And the rule you quoted talks about "Intercollegiate Competition". Nowhere does it mention anything about redshirting.

I didn't bother to quote all the relevant rules, and am too tired to find them now, but basically they say any competition (as defined above) counts as a season of eligibility, with some exceptions. The one about exhibitions says it only applies in the players first year of competition.

I don't know, maybe I am missing something, but I thought the NCAA rules are pretty clear, but maybe not. There must be something else in the rules that I don't know about, I guess.

So, I apologize in advance for belaboring the point, but Notre Dame just announced one of their players is going to redshirt, and it is reported that they sat him out of the exhibition games specifically because they knew he was considering redshirting and didn't want to mess that up.

Excerpt from http://notredame.247sports.com/Article/N...Win-157484 :

Quote:Brey sat Biedscheid because the NCAA counts all game competition, including exhibition contests, inside its eligibility purview for non-freshmen.

I don't understand how Lemon's situation is different, but, whatever.

i hope TK understands the rules. He thinks he is red shirting.

So do I understand correctly that we don't have lemons but we do have juice?

Funny that TK says Lemons is the best on-ball defender in the conference, but he's not good enough to get playing time. I understand that he's limited offensively, but if Bob Nichols or Tricia Cullop were coaching this team, Lemons would be on the floor. Lemons' relegation to the end of the bench says something about TK's coaching philosophy.

(11-10-2013 11:10 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  So do I understand correctly that we don't have lemons but we do have juice?

What's that saying, "if life gives you juice, you don't need any lemons?"