They think it's the strongest storm ever during the satellite age. It's one of only 4 storms under 799 millibars pressure.

(11-09-2013 07:51 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  They think it's the strongest storm ever during the satellite age. It's one of only 4 storms under 799 millibars pressure.

Yeah, killer storm. I just wish the PI had a better infrastructure. It would have saved some lives

(11-09-2013 07:48 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:45 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 06:18 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 05:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 05:16 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I must be the only CFB fan praying for a NIU-Fresno State championship game.

The only way that happens is if the rest of the world is destroyed by massive flooding, earthquakes, fire, and asteroids, that somehow miss Fresno and Chicago. IMO you're SOL.

So, you're saying there's a chance!

They believe that in the Philippines today. So sad. Spent four years there.

I spent 5 years there, while in the Navy. My wife's family is from there originally, but moved to California. She still has some family south of Ormoc that we can't get a hold of. Pretty scary stuff.

I could not contact my brother and his family during Katrina for over 24 hours. I know what you are going through. His last call to me during the storm was " Goodbye Stan... we are going to the roof.

(11-09-2013 05:30 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I am starting to fear that soft SOS is going to win out: Neither Bama nor Baylor can run the table against tough schedules while FSU and OSU will cake-walk their way to unbeaten seasons, setting up a dreadful BCS title game. Ouch!

Interesting how those top 10 matchups against Clemson and Miami are completely discounted.

Is FSU the only team to beat a top 5 team on the road?

Please stop referring to Miami and Clemson as "top 10". They are ACC teams puffed up on soft schedules. As I'm typing this, Miami is getting blown out at home by a soft Virginia Tech team. Say bye-bye to the top 10, Canes.

I also note that Florida got squashed at home by Vandy. That means that the two games that FSU-ACC fans were touting as "big signature games" for FSU down the stretch will be anything but.

Fortunately for FSU, it no longer matters, because they no longer have to worry about what other teams do, they just have to win out. and THAT'S because Oregon got beat playing a REAL top 5 team, something FSU has not and will not face.

(11-09-2013 10:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 05:30 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I am starting to fear that soft SOS is going to win out: Neither Bama nor Baylor can run the table against tough schedules while FSU and OSU will cake-walk their way to unbeaten seasons, setting up a dreadful BCS title game. Ouch!

Interesting how those top 10 matchups against Clemson and Miami are completely discounted.

Is FSU the only team to beat a top 5 team on the road?

Please stop referring to Miami and Clemson as "top 10". They are ACC teams puffed up on soft schedules. As I'm typing this, Miami is getting blown out at home by a soft Virginia Tech team. Say bye-bye to the top 10, Canes.

I also note that Florida got squashed at home by Vandy. That means that the two games that FSU-ACC fans were touting as "big signature games" for FSU down the stretch will be anything but.

Fortunately for FSU, it no longer matters, because they no longer have to worry about what other teams do, they just have to win out. and THAT'S because Oregon got beat playing a REAL top 5 team, something FSU has not and will not face.

Will you quit whining! FSU is in line to play for the title whether you like it or not.

(11-09-2013 07:53 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:51 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  They think it's the strongest storm ever during the satellite age. It's one of only 4 storms under 799 millibars pressure.

Yeah, killer storm. I just wish the PI had a better infrastructure. It would have saved some lives

Many of the people were unaware of a storm. They thought it was a sunami...

(11-09-2013 01:04 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 12:50 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Can't tell if trolling?

Baylor is just like Oregon. Neither are truly championship caliber teams, and would get killed by Alabama. Baylor will likely lose because they're just not that good. Baylor, so far, has beaten Oklahoma at home, that's the only good team they've played, and Oklahoma doesn't have a QB.

Florida State has already played and beaten two top ten teams. The best title game possibility is Alabama vs Florida State.

And they will beat another top 10 team in Miami for the ACC Championship, unless of course Miami gags today with VT - which is probably not going to happen since VT has no offense.

elololololololololol

(11-09-2013 10:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The balance will see to itself. The SEC has risen so high and the talent is so widespread now that it eventually will lose it's own balance and will be so competitive within itself that it will begin to be less competitive in the National Championship chase.

If we don't get down to four major conferences then there is the definite possibility in the future that the SEC is the conference that ends up missing out.

Yeah, there's a definite chance in the "99.99% chance the SEC champions will be one of the 4", "So, you're saying there's a chance the SEC will be left out?!!" sense.

Where we are today, what that competitiveness does is reduce the possibility of two SEC schools out of the four school playoff. And yes, there IS a "definite chance" that an arguably deserving second SEC school will be left out for an arguably less deserving Power5 conference champ.

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its individual schedules that matter ooc. But the SEC and ACC compensate for playing each other. The ACC plays more FCS schools than any other conference. The SEC plays really, really bad FCS schools and some of the worst FBS schools as well. Pac 12 typically plays the toughest ooc schedule. The other 4 its hard to separate.

And some schools have made an art form of sailing on the edge of the one-FCS-school rule by scheduling one FCS school and one FBS school that was an FCS school sometime in the past three years.

Looking ahead to the Top Four Playoff, the Big Ten has already started leaning on its schools to stop scheduling FCS schools, but AFAIR its the Big12, SEC and ACC that tend to be closer to having most schools use their one allowed FCS game.

Clemson beat LSU back to back and get no credit.
Alabama beats them it proves something Alabama has not played a tough schedule.


Ohio State if they play Alabama does the never beating an SEC team thing go away. They played ineligible players and forfeited that Arkansas win. Worse case scenario for the B1G a OSU blow out loss. The B1G could win every other bowl game and it wouldn't matter.

OSU going undefeated two years in a row and getting locked out could cause riots in Columbus . People who hate the BCS or love drama or hate OSU would love that.

(11-10-2013 10:53 AM)MJG Wrote:  Clemson beat LSU back to back and get no credit.
Alabama beats them it proves something Alabama has not played a tough schedule.


Ohio State if they play Alabama does the never beating an SEC team thing go away. They played ineligible players and forfeited that Arkansas win. Worse case scenario for the B1G a OSU blow out loss. The B1G could win every other bowl game and it wouldn't matter.

OSU going undefeated two years in a row and getting locked out could cause riots in Columbus . People who hate the BCS or love drama or hate OSU would love that.

I'm actually pulling for Alabama and FSU because of what an Ohio State blowout would mean for the Big Ten. We are much better off with the slight of being looked over. That will help build the chip on the shoulder. The Big Ten is in a building process right now so it's good that Ohio State and the Big Ten is getting zero respect right now. That will allow the build up to continue without a major deflating event.

Yes, they will riot in Columbus over it but that is better than them being depressed.

(11-10-2013 10:47 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The balance will see to itself. The SEC has risen so high and the talent is so widespread now that it eventually will lose it's own balance and will be so competitive within itself that it will begin to be less competitive in the National Championship chase.

If we don't get down to four major conferences then there is the definite possibility in the future that the SEC is the conference that ends up missing out.

Yeah, there's a definite chance in the "99.99% chance the SEC champions will be one of the 4", "So, you're saying there's a chance the SEC will be left out?!!" sense.

Where we are today, what that competitiveness does is reduce the possibility of two SEC schools out of the four school playoff. And yes, there IS a "definite chance" that an arguably deserving second SEC school will be left out for an arguably less deserving Power5 conference champ.

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its individual schedules that matter ooc. But the SEC and ACC compensate for playing each other. The ACC plays more FCS schools than any other conference. The SEC plays really, really bad FCS schools and some of the worst FBS schools as well. Pac 12 typically plays the toughest ooc schedule. The other 4 its hard to separate.

And some schools have made an art form of sailing on the edge of the one-FCS-school rule by scheduling one FCS school and one FBS school that was an FCS school sometime in the past three years.

Looking ahead to the Top Four Playoff, the Big Ten has already started leaning on its schools to stop scheduling FCS schools, but AFAIR its the Big12, SEC and ACC that tend to be closer to having most schools use their one allowed FCS game.

See Alabama for one.

(11-10-2013 10:47 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The balance will see to itself. The SEC has risen so high and the talent is so widespread now that it eventually will lose it's own balance and will be so competitive within itself that it will begin to be less competitive in the National Championship chase.

If we don't get down to four major conferences then there is the definite possibility in the future that the SEC is the conference that ends up missing out.

Yeah, there's a definite chance in the "99.99% chance the SEC champions will be one of the 4", "So, you're saying there's a chance the SEC will be left out?!!" sense.

Where we are today, what that competitiveness does is reduce the possibility of two SEC schools out of the four school playoff. And yes, there IS a "definite chance" that an arguably deserving second SEC school will be left out for an arguably less deserving Power5 conference champ.

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its individual schedules that matter ooc. But the SEC and ACC compensate for playing each other. The ACC plays more FCS schools than any other conference. The SEC plays really, really bad FCS schools and some of the worst FBS schools as well. Pac 12 typically plays the toughest ooc schedule. The other 4 its hard to separate.

And some schools have made an art form of sailing on the edge of the one-FCS-school rule by scheduling one FCS school and one FBS school that was an FCS school sometime in the past three years.

Looking ahead to the Top Four Playoff, the Big Ten has already started leaning on its schools to stop scheduling FCS schools, but AFAIR its the Big12, SEC and ACC that tend to be closer to having most schools use their one allowed FCS game.

What if Alabama had lost last night to LSU? It's not like the idea of such is unfathomable. That would have Alabama with one loss and LSU with two. What then happens if Alabama loses to Auburn in their last game? The idea of Alabama losing to Auburn is also not so unfathomable, correct?

That is a two loss Alabama squad

In the other division we have Missouri with one loss. They play at Ole Miss and at home against A&M. Both games could be won or loss, neither are simple gimmie's. So what if Missouri loses one?

This is a very realistic scenario within the framework of what could have been this year. At best the SEC champ coming out has two losses. Does that get them in a 4 team playoff this year if we had one?


That could still happen you know. Alabama could still lose to Auburn an guess what happens if that happens? They don't go to the SEC Champnoship game, Auburn does. Does a 1 loss Alabama team that didn't make it to the SEC Championship get into the National Championship picture? Wouldn't that spot be Auburn's if the SEC gets one?

Now Auburn has two big games ahead of it. Georgia and Alabama but they are both at home, advantage Auburn. So, does that get Auburn into the top four if they win out? I would say its very possible but they would have to climb over Missouri, Clemson, Oregon and Stanford in terms of one loss teams this year and they would have to climb over two more teams that are currently undefeated. That is a pretty tall order. Who knows, maybe Alabama doesn't drop that far after a loss to Auburn and they end up hindering Auburn's rise into the top #4.


I didn't have to even get all that creative in order to come up with a viable scenario as to how the SEC could get locked out of a four team National Championship. As the talent continues to gravitate to the SEC, more and more teams are going to become competitive with the Elite, traditional programs of that conference. This type of scenario just becomes more likely as the other conferences are seen as not being as filled with talent on a year to year basis.

The SEC should be the greatest proponent for an 8 team National Tournament.

Assuming we can't get an NIU/Fresno State NC game (LOL) I'd like to see Alabama vs. FSU. Though in reality I'd like to also see how Baylor would do against some of the other top teams. We really need an 8-team playoff.

(11-10-2013 11:41 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 10:47 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 10:24 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The balance will see to itself. The SEC has risen so high and the talent is so widespread now that it eventually will lose it's own balance and will be so competitive within itself that it will begin to be less competitive in the National Championship chase.

If we don't get down to four major conferences then there is the definite possibility in the future that the SEC is the conference that ends up missing out.

Yeah, there's a definite chance in the "99.99% chance the SEC champions will be one of the 4", "So, you're saying there's a chance the SEC will be left out?!!" sense.

Where we are today, what that competitiveness does is reduce the possibility of two SEC schools out of the four school playoff. And yes, there IS a "definite chance" that an arguably deserving second SEC school will be left out for an arguably less deserving Power5 conference champ.

(11-09-2013 01:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its individual schedules that matter ooc. But the SEC and ACC compensate for playing each other. The ACC plays more FCS schools than any other conference. The SEC plays really, really bad FCS schools and some of the worst FBS schools as well. Pac 12 typically plays the toughest ooc schedule. The other 4 its hard to separate.

And some schools have made an art form of sailing on the edge of the one-FCS-school rule by scheduling one FCS school and one FBS school that was an FCS school sometime in the past three years.

Looking ahead to the Top Four Playoff, the Big Ten has already started leaning on its schools to stop scheduling FCS schools, but AFAIR its the Big12, SEC and ACC that tend to be closer to having most schools use their one allowed FCS game.

What if Alabama had lost last night to LSU? It's not like the idea of such is unfathomable. That would have Alabama with one loss and LSU with two. What then happens if Alabama loses to Auburn in their last game? The idea of Alabama losing to Auburn is also not so unfathomable, correct?

That is a two loss Alabama squad

In the other division we have Missouri with one loss. They play at Ole Miss and at home against A&M. Both games could be won or loss, neither are simple gimmie's. So what if Missouri loses one?

This is a very realistic scenario within the framework of what could have been this year. At best the SEC champ coming out has two losses. Does that get them in a 4 team playoff this year if we had one?


That could still happen you know. Alabama could still lose to Auburn an guess what happens if that happens? They don't go to the SEC Champnoship game, Auburn does. Does a 1 loss Alabama team that didn't make it to the SEC Championship get into the National Championship picture? Wouldn't that spot be Auburn's if the SEC gets one?

Now Auburn has two big games ahead of it. Georgia and Alabama but they are both at home, advantage Auburn. So, does that get Auburn into the top four if they win out? I would say its very possible but they would have to climb over Missouri, Clemson, Oregon and Stanford in terms of one loss teams this year and they would have to climb over two more teams that are currently undefeated. That is a pretty tall order. Who knows, maybe Alabama doesn't drop that far after a loss to Auburn and they end up hindering Auburn's rise into the top #4.


I didn't have to even get all that creative in order to come up with a viable scenario as to how the SEC could get locked out of a four team National Championship. As the talent continues to gravitate to the SEC, more and more teams are going to become competitive with the Elite, traditional programs of that conference. This type of scenario just becomes more likely as the other conferences are seen as not being as filled with talent on a year to year basis.

The SEC should be the greatest proponent for an 8 team National Tournament.

The only reason confusion will remain on this issue is because those who want to select the teams as opposed to allow the conference champions to play it off are the powers that are paying to keep the 5th conference alive. They want a new structure but are afraid of what it might produce, so they hang on to an inherently unjust system of contrived conveniences (polls, computers, committees) to select those teams that will profit them the most through advertising rates for the Big event(s).

If there were only four conferences it wouldn't take long to abandon the ridiculous notion that any conference deserves two teams in the final four. Each conference determines its champion. The natural and fair solution is to move to 4 conferences and let the champions play it out.

Only those who want a hand in determining who is in and who is out want otherwise. We need a structure to determine who is in. If we are concerned about #2's pair them in the bowls and the #3's and so on.

JR, I think an expansion to 8 would solve most of the problems if tptb want to keep 5 major conferences. The top 4 conference champions host both the 5th conference champion and two at-larges and the best non big5 champion:

1. Bama - UCF - 13.
2. FSU - Oregon 6.
3. Baylor - Clemson 8.
4. Ohio State - Stanford 5.

All seeding considerations go to avoiding a rematch the first week, no more than two from a conference. Bitching and moaning is then confined to teams 5-15 or so.

(11-10-2013 01:37 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  JR, I think an expansion to 8 would solve most of the problems if tptb want to keep 5 major conferences. The top 4 conference champions host both the 5th conference champion and two at-larges and the best non big5 champion:

1. Bama - UCF - 13.
2. FSU - Oregon 6.
3. Baylor - Clemson 8.
4. Ohio State - Stanford 5.

All seeding considerations go to avoiding a rematch the first week, no more than two from a conference. Bitching and moaning is then confined to teams 5-15 or so.

LP4, I think that is a more than reasonable compromise considering the conditions you've outlined. But I would hope that a more permanent solution determined by structure and performance will one day replace the subjective, and frequently arbitrary, decisions of polls, computers (only as good as the program), and committees (which by nature are political). If we as a society are to strive again for what is fair, and to encourage the pursuit of loftier ideals instead of wallowing in that which is emblematic of the worst of human nature and calling it realistic, then our games are good place to start. Replacing expediency and moral relativism with the pursuit of higher standards is essential to our long term survival.

I think if Texas A&M won out, you would likely find them in your playoff... Probably over Oregon.

Also, the South Carolina/Clemson game would basically be a play-in game.

(11-10-2013 01:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  .... I would hope that a more permanent solution determined by structure and performance will one day replace the subjective, and frequently arbitrary, decisions of polls, computers (only as good as the program), and committees (which by nature are political).

I'd like to see a 16 team playoff with the 10 conference champs plus 6 at-large.

(11-10-2013 01:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'd like to see a 16 team playoff with the 10 conference champs plus 6 at-large.

I would like to see a 12-team playoff. Top 6 conference champions plus 6 at large.

Top 4 conference champions who played in a CCG get a 1st round bye (Sorry Baylor, Notre Dame, BYU)

(11-10-2013 02:08 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 01:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'd like to see a 16 team playoff with the 10 conference champs plus 6 at-large.

I would like to see a 12-team playoff. Top 6 conference champions plus 6 at large.

Top 4 conference champions who played in a CCG get a 1st round bye (Sorry Baylor, Notre Dame, BYU)

I like that plan too.