(11-08-2013 10:10 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 09:15 PM)jjmc85 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 08:56 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Look at the UMAss player on the right



Now look at where Neutz's head ends up.



Hit to the head..

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2013/10/21/4864...-neutz-hit

Yes. These blurry photos are just as good as the video replay...

Video Replay is at the link.. But blurry or not Id like to know how the defenders head, in one frame, occupies the space where Neutz was and the Buffal receivers head snaps forward.

The kid has a habbit of it and he is eventually going to hurt someone

Oh WAIT NEUTZ GOT A CONCUSSION... I bet he was faking a head injury to make the thug from UMass look bad..

Yea, no way it was head to head

(11-08-2013 10:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 09:33 PM)jjmc85 Wrote:  He's not a defenseless receiver. He had the ball. It was a fumble. Take your UB glasses off for a second.

Ill take off the UB colored glasses when the Maroon ones come off of you..

How in the hell did Neutz end up with a concussion when his head never hit the ground?

Watch at 1:44-1:45 Netuz was out cold the minute he get hit...
Watch again at 2:01 and tell me he was not leading with the helmet

Please don't suggest that I or anyone else believes the player was faking. I don't think he was faking. I never once said he was faking it. I don't know anyone who has said he was faking. I think he's seriously hurt and I hope he recovers. I wish nothing but the best for him.

That being said, just because he was hurt doesn't mean it was dirty. I just watched at 2:01. I'm pretty surprised I missed how much the helmets miss each other from that angle. Thank you for pointing it out. Even then, again, the UB announcers state there is no contact to the head. AT 2:23 "I didn't see contact to the helmet." Are the UB announcers also wearing Maroon color glasses?

Check the box at the beginning of the video. Whoever made it was honest enough to put "Many disagree with me." Yeah. No duh. I mean, you can see from at least 3 different angles that there was no helmet to helmet contact. There are 0 angles showing helmet to helmet. I would hope, that many disagree with the premise of the video. Please correct me if I'm wrong, providing the time where we can clearly see the 2 helmets hit. Or even see them hit blurred. I'd be ok with that.

I'd be interested to hear what other posters, who aren't associated with UB or UMass have to say about the hit.

As to how he got the concussion, I am not a doctor. However, if you want me to speculate, I will. My initial thought was perhaps whiplash from the hit. The brain can hit against one's skull and cause concussions, even if the head isn't hit. It happened to a Milwaukie Brewer who was trying to catch a ball. The following quote comes from this link. Emphasis is mine. http://www.healthhype.com/whiplash-and-concussions.html

Quote: But what about situations in which there is whiplash yet there is no direct contact of the head on any surface? The high velocity movement of the head during a whiplash event alone could produce the same effects. One example of this phenomenon occurred recently to an athlete in American professional baseball playing for the Milwaukee Brewers in Major League Baseball. In 2006, Corey Koskie suffered a concussion without a direct force to the head during a routine play in the field. While attempting to catch a ball batted in the air into shallow left field, he fell backward, landing on his upper back. The force of the fall did not cause his head to hit the playing surface but produced a whiplash-like force at the cervical spine. At this point, Koskie has missed two and one half baseball seasons because of concussion-like symptoms and his progress has been atypically slow. Victims of motor vehicle accidents have the potential for a similar response to a whiplash mechanism of injury. Recognition of the potential for these scenarios is important for proper treatment of the injured athlete or accident victim.

I would be very interested to hear from a medical professional if something similar was the cause. If not, I'd be interested as to what the cause was, because there is indisputable video evidence from 3 different angles that there isn't contact to the head.

With or without Maroon or Blue glasses, is this a possible alternative hypothesis, which we have documented evidence has occurred in the past?

Now, as to Tharpe, being a UMass fan and season ticket holder, I've watched him play a lot this season and past seasons. As it wasn't a penalty in the past, I don't know if he did it in the past. However, this year, he has been flagged for it once against Miami (OH). I was in my seat and didn't have the benefit of replay. The refs did, and still ejected him. I can only assume it was legitimate. I will gladly watch the replay of it and comment further on it if someone provides the link. That being said, one instance doesn't mean he "has a habit of it." It happened once. For people to claim otherwise, in spite of video evidence contrary to it, is not only dishonest, but also very unfair to Antoine.

Crusading against or punishing a player who, in this instance, was not guilty does nothing. It doesn't bring Neutz back. It doesn't wipe out the concussion. It does no one any good at all.

Once again, I wish a speedy recovery to Alex Neutz. I hope to see him back on the field.

So you're denying he led with his head... If thats the case there is not talking with you so I'll conceed you're right..

The refs screwed UMass who would have otherwise easily beaten Buffalo and Neutz phantom concussion had nothing to do with a hit to the head..

(11-09-2013 08:30 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So you're denying he led with his head... If thats the case there is not talking with you so I'll conceed you're right..

The refs screwed UMass who would have otherwise easily beaten Buffalo and Neutz phantom concussion had nothing to do with a hit to the head..

I am denying that Tharpe lead with his head. At 25 seconds, it is quite clear the contact is initiated with the shoulder.

Please do not suggest that I or anyone else thinks that UMass easily would have won. I don't see where anyone wrote that or said it anywhere. If there is a place I missed, please let me know. I would like to have a discussion with them.

That being said, the game would have been more interesting and a lot more close if the UB didn't benefit from many terrible calls in the first half. I even posted on this site during the game that UB was better than UMass and didn't need the ref's help to win. That they got the help was very frustrating to me. Just as I'm sure you'll concede that Alabama is better than UB and doesn't need the help of the refs to beat the Bulls. However, if that game happened and the SEC refs pulled the same crap against UB that they did UMass, I think UB fans would be upset.

Lastly, once again, and most importantly, please DO NOT suggest that ANYONE thinks it was a phantom concussion. This is the second time you have done so, and frankly, it is disgusting and unbecoming of a MAC football fan.

If you want to have an adult conversation about this where we look at the video and debate whether or not it was a hit to the head, let me know. In order to do so, we need to look at other theories, as you suggested. One was provided, with evidence that concussions happen with no contact while one is catching a ball, unless a baserunner ran out to shallow left field to tackle Koskie.

If you do not want to have an adult conversation and instead want to continue to ignore what I post and instead put words in my mouth, I have nothing left to say.

EDIT- 2 last things to say actually. Once again, I wish Alex a speedy recovery. Also, I wish UB a lot of luck on their quest for a MAC Championship.