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(11-04-2013 01:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ACC fans- even if Wisconsin or Michigan St don't make it to the top 14, a Big 12 team likely would. Either one will be extremely attractive to the Orange.

Why does that matter?

Some ACC fans are looking for any scenario to get Clemson in the BCS. With the NAQ team making the BCS, there would be 1 spot left, decided by the Orange. If Alabama/Oregon make title game, SEC/P12 get 2/4 at large spots, NAQ gets 3rd.

It will make it easier if FSU is in the national title game that's for sure. IF FSU is in the OB, then the OB gets the first pick. That absolutely would suck if the choices where UCF, Fresno State, Clemson, Ok St, Michigan St. Clemson is obviously the best team of the three but it would be a rematch. If the OB takes UCF, then I would bei the Sugar Bowl would take Clemson leaving Fresno for the Fiesta.

I don't think you can discount the Big Ten factor. I think either the Orange or Sugar would take Michigan St over Clemson in a heartbeat.

Barring an unimaginable chain of upsets, the SEC will have a qualified team and get one of the wildcards. The Big 10, if they have a qualified team (it will be close) will get one. The Stanford/Oregon loser likely gets the other. Fresno or No. Illinois seem likely to stay high enough one of them gets a slot.

If the Big 10 2nd place team or Fresno/NIU don't qualify, then it will between 2nd in the ACC and 2nd in the Big 12 and will just depend on how the schools finished and where that extra bowl slot is.
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RE: Jerry Palm's BCS projections
(11-04-2013 02:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:18 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Why does that matter?

Some ACC fans are looking for any scenario to get Clemson in the BCS. With the NAQ team making the BCS, there would be 1 spot left, decided by the Orange. If Alabama/Oregon make title game, SEC/P12 get 2/4 at large spots, NAQ gets 3rd.

It will make it easier if FSU is in the national title game that's for sure. IF FSU is in the OB, then the OB gets the first pick. That absolutely would suck if the choices where UCF, Fresno State, Clemson, Ok St, Michigan St. Clemson is obviously the best team of the three but it would be a rematch. If the OB takes UCF, then I would bei the Sugar Bowl would take Clemson leaving Fresno for the Fiesta.

I don't think you can discount the Big Ten factor. I think either the Orange or Sugar would take Michigan St over Clemson in a heartbeat.

Barring an unimaginable chain of upsets, the SEC will have a qualified team and get one of the wildcards. The Big 10, if they have a qualified team (it will be close) will get one. The Stanford/Oregon loser likely gets the other. Fresno or No. Illinois seem likely to stay high enough one of them gets a slot.

If the Big 10 2nd place team or Fresno/NIU don't qualify, then it will between 2nd in the ACC and 2nd in the Big 12 and will just depend on how the schools finished and where that extra bowl slot is.
Whoever the top 2 teams are will start things off. Their bowls get to replace them. SEC and Pac 12 get that if it's Alabama/Oregon. NAQ gets 3rd. 4th slot would go to Big Ten or Big 12 or ACC team. Orange going 1st means it'd likely be Big Ten or Big 12.

Now, if it's Alabama/FSU in title game, SEC and ACC get teams in. NAQ gets 3rd. 4th slot would likely go to Big Ten/Big 12 team. Only fly in the ointment here would be if P12 runnerup is 4th, they are automatic and have to go . Kind of tough to see that happening.
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(11-04-2013 02:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 02:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Some ACC fans are looking for any scenario to get Clemson in the BCS. With the NAQ team making the BCS, there would be 1 spot left, decided by the Orange. If Alabama/Oregon make title game, SEC/P12 get 2/4 at large spots, NAQ gets 3rd.

It will make it easier if FSU is in the national title game that's for sure. IF FSU is in the OB, then the OB gets the first pick. That absolutely would suck if the choices where UCF, Fresno State, Clemson, Ok St, Michigan St. Clemson is obviously the best team of the three but it would be a rematch. If the OB takes UCF, then I would bei the Sugar Bowl would take Clemson leaving Fresno for the Fiesta.

I don't think you can discount the Big Ten factor. I think either the Orange or Sugar would take Michigan St over Clemson in a heartbeat.

Barring an unimaginable chain of upsets, the SEC will have a qualified team and get one of the wildcards. The Big 10, if they have a qualified team (it will be close) will get one. The Stanford/Oregon loser likely gets the other. Fresno or No. Illinois seem likely to stay high enough one of them gets a slot.

If the Big 10 2nd place team or Fresno/NIU don't qualify, then it will between 2nd in the ACC and 2nd in the Big 12 and will just depend on how the schools finished and where that extra bowl slot is.
Whoever the top 2 teams are will start things off. Their bowls get to replace them. SEC and Pac 12 get that if it's Alabama/Oregon. NAQ gets 3rd. 4th slot would go to Big Ten or Big 12 or ACC team. Orange going 1st means it'd likely be Big Ten or Big 12.

Now, if it's Alabama/FSU in title game, SEC and ACC get teams in. NAQ gets 3rd. 4th slot would likely go to Big Ten/Big 12 team. Only fly in the ointment here would be if P12 runnerup is 4th, they are automatic and have to go . Kind of tough to see that happening.

Top-4 rule only applies if a non-champion finishes 3rd or 4th in the final BCS standings. So who are the "top 4" possibilities this year? Not many, unless there are a lot more upsets to come among top-10 teams.

Alabama -- Might be a "top 4 rule team" if they lose only to Auburn, or possibly if they lose only in the SEC title game.

Oregon -- Might be top 4 if they lose only to Stanford.

FSU, OSU, Stanford -- They won't be top 4 if they don't win their conference, and the rule applies only to non-champs.

Baylor, Clemson -- Unlikely that they could be top-4 as a one-loss non-champ. I suppose there is an outside possibility that Clemson could sneak up to #4 if there are enough losses in front of them, because Clemson lost early.

Other 1-loss teams -- Missouri, Auburn, Oklahoma, Miami, Ok State -- The only way they could possibly get into the top 4 is by winning out, which means, for each of them, they would win their conference title and the top-4 rule wouldn't apply.
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(11-04-2013 02:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 01:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  It will make it easier if FSU is in the national title game that's for sure. IF FSU is in the OB, then the OB gets the first pick. That absolutely would suck if the choices where UCF, Fresno State, Clemson, Ok St, Michigan St. Clemson is obviously the best team of the three but it would be a rematch. If the OB takes UCF, then I would bei the Sugar Bowl would take Clemson leaving Fresno for the Fiesta.

I don't think you can discount the Big Ten factor. I think either the Orange or Sugar would take Michigan St over Clemson in a heartbeat.

Barring an unimaginable chain of upsets, the SEC will have a qualified team and get one of the wildcards. The Big 10, if they have a qualified team (it will be close) will get one. The Stanford/Oregon loser likely gets the other. Fresno or No. Illinois seem likely to stay high enough one of them gets a slot.

If the Big 10 2nd place team or Fresno/NIU don't qualify, then it will between 2nd in the ACC and 2nd in the Big 12 and will just depend on how the schools finished and where that extra bowl slot is.
Whoever the top 2 teams are will start things off. Their bowls get to replace them. SEC and Pac 12 get that if it's Alabama/Oregon. NAQ gets 3rd. 4th slot would go to Big Ten or Big 12 or ACC team. Orange going 1st means it'd likely be Big Ten or Big 12.

Now, if it's Alabama/FSU in title game, SEC and ACC get teams in. NAQ gets 3rd. 4th slot would likely go to Big Ten/Big 12 team. Only fly in the ointment here would be if P12 runnerup is 4th, they are automatic and have to go . Kind of tough to see that happening.

Top-4 rule only applies if a non-champion finishes 3rd or 4th in the final BCS standings. So who are the "top 4" possibilities this year? Not many, unless there are a lot more upsets to come among top-10 teams.

Alabama -- Might be a "top 4 rule team" if they lose only to Auburn, or possibly if they lose only in the SEC title game.

Oregon -- Might be top 4 if they lose only to Stanford.

FSU, OSU, Stanford -- They won't be top 4 if they don't win their conference, and the rule applies only to non-champs.

Baylor, Clemson -- Unlikely that they could be top-4 as a one-loss non-champ. I suppose there is an outside possibility that Clemson could sneak up to #4 if there are enough losses in front of them, because Clemson lost early.

Other 1-loss teams -- Missouri, Auburn, Oklahoma, Miami, Ok State -- The only way they could possibly get into the top 4 is by winning out, which means, for each of them, they would win their conference title and the top-4 rule wouldn't apply.

Oklahoma would be a major threat to that quite frankly if Texas either wins out or loses only once. Texas would be conference champ.
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(11-04-2013 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 02:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 01:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think you can discount the Big Ten factor. I think either the Orange or Sugar would take Michigan St over Clemson in a heartbeat.

Barring an unimaginable chain of upsets, the SEC will have a qualified team and get one of the wildcards. The Big 10, if they have a qualified team (it will be close) will get one. The Stanford/Oregon loser likely gets the other. Fresno or No. Illinois seem likely to stay high enough one of them gets a slot.

If the Big 10 2nd place team or Fresno/NIU don't qualify, then it will between 2nd in the ACC and 2nd in the Big 12 and will just depend on how the schools finished and where that extra bowl slot is.
Whoever the top 2 teams are will start things off. Their bowls get to replace them. SEC and Pac 12 get that if it's Alabama/Oregon. NAQ gets 3rd. 4th slot would go to Big Ten or Big 12 or ACC team. Orange going 1st means it'd likely be Big Ten or Big 12.

Now, if it's Alabama/FSU in title game, SEC and ACC get teams in. NAQ gets 3rd. 4th slot would likely go to Big Ten/Big 12 team. Only fly in the ointment here would be if P12 runnerup is 4th, they are automatic and have to go . Kind of tough to see that happening.

Top-4 rule only applies if a non-champion finishes 3rd or 4th in the final BCS standings. So who are the "top 4" possibilities this year? Not many, unless there are a lot more upsets to come among top-10 teams.

Alabama -- Might be a "top 4 rule team" if they lose only to Auburn, or possibly if they lose only in the SEC title game.

Oregon -- Might be top 4 if they lose only to Stanford.

FSU, OSU, Stanford -- They won't be top 4 if they don't win their conference, and the rule applies only to non-champs.

Baylor, Clemson -- Unlikely that they could be top-4 as a one-loss non-champ. I suppose there is an outside possibility that Clemson could sneak up to #4 if there are enough losses in front of them, because Clemson lost early.

Other 1-loss teams -- Missouri, Auburn, Oklahoma, Miami, Ok State -- The only way they could possibly get into the top 4 is by winning out, which means, for each of them, they would win their conference title and the top-4 rule wouldn't apply.

Oklahoma would be a major threat to that quite frankly if Texas either wins out or loses only once. Texas would be conference champ.

You're right, OU could finish with one loss and not be Big 12 champs. If they were 11-1 non-champs, they would have at least as much of a shot at top-4 as Clemson. Maybe more of a chance than Clemson, if the poll voters gave OU a big jump in the polls after beating Baylor.
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one thing that just thought of- lets say Oregon beats Stanford and makes title game. Then Notre Dame beats Stanford.

All of a sudden, we may see Pac 12 with no other top 14 team. The Rose would be quite possibly then Ohio St vs... Notre Dame!
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(11-04-2013 01:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 01:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ACC fans- even if Wisconsin or Michigan St don't make it to the top 14, a Big 12 team likely would. Either one will be extremely attractive to the Orange.

Why does that matter?

Some ACC fans are looking for any scenario to get Clemson in the BCS. With the NAQ team making the BCS, there would be 1 spot left, decided by the Orange. If Alabama/Oregon make title game, SEC/P12 get 2/4 at large spots, NAQ gets 3rd.

Could see Orange Bowl taking UCF if Fla St is not in NCG and their choice for other team is Wisconsin. Then the sugar would choose Clemson as long as SC is not the other team.
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(11-04-2013 03:51 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:18 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ACC fans- even if Wisconsin or Michigan St don't make it to the top 14, a Big 12 team likely would. Either one will be extremely attractive to the Orange.

Why does that matter?

Some ACC fans are looking for any scenario to get Clemson in the BCS. With the NAQ team making the BCS, there would be 1 spot left, decided by the Orange. If Alabama/Oregon make title game, SEC/P12 get 2/4 at large spots, NAQ gets 3rd.

Could see Orange Bowl taking UCF if Fla St is not in NCG and their choice for other team is Wisconsin. Then the sugar would choose Clemson as long as SC is not the other team.

Not a chance really on either account. Neither Orange or Sugar would willingly pass up any Big Ten team.

Heck, for Orange, I think a bigger factor and one they could pass up a Big Ten team for is Oklahoma. I think they would love to get them 1 more time.
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(11-04-2013 03:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 01:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:18 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ACC fans- even if Wisconsin or Michigan St don't make it to the top 14, a Big 12 team likely would. Either one will be extremely attractive to the Orange.

Why does that matter?

Some ACC fans are looking for any scenario to get Clemson in the BCS. With the NAQ team making the BCS, there would be 1 spot left, decided by the Orange. If Alabama/Oregon make title game, SEC/P12 get 2/4 at large spots, NAQ gets 3rd.

Could see Orange Bowl taking UCF if Fla St is not in NCG and their choice for other team is Wisconsin. Then the sugar would choose Clemson as long as SC is not the other team.

Not a chance really on either account. Neither Orange or Sugar would willingly pass up any Big Ten team.

Heck, for Orange, I think a bigger factor and one they could pass up a Big Ten team for is Oklahoma. I think they would love to get them 1 more time.

Sugar would take Clemson over Mich St or Wisconsin in a heartbeat, especially if Auburn is in the game.
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(11-04-2013 01:55 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I am starting to wonder if Oregon struggles with Stanford winning something like 24-21 if poll voters may start swaying towards FSU. I don't know if that'll be enough given the cpu situation.

That's what I've been saying for days. Oregon had better not struggle. You can already see the human polls starting to "wonder".

If Oregon does struggle with a one-loss Stanford, Oregon is probably toast. FSU has its best team in the last 20 years - I know, I've watched them.

If Oregon just beats Stanford, in a fairly even game, I think the game that decides is Clemson/South Carolina. If Clemson beats SC, FSU gets the human edge.
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(11-04-2013 03:57 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 03:51 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:18 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Why does that matter?

Some ACC fans are looking for any scenario to get Clemson in the BCS. With the NAQ team making the BCS, there would be 1 spot left, decided by the Orange. If Alabama/Oregon make title game, SEC/P12 get 2/4 at large spots, NAQ gets 3rd.

Could see Orange Bowl taking UCF if Fla St is not in NCG and their choice for other team is Wisconsin. Then the sugar would choose Clemson as long as SC is not the other team.

Not a chance really on either account. Neither Orange or Sugar would willingly pass up any Big Ten team.

Heck, for Orange, I think a bigger factor and one they could pass up a Big Ten team for is Oklahoma. I think they would love to get them 1 more time.

Sugar would take Clemson over Mich St or Wisconsin in a heartbeat, especially if Auburn is in the game.

I disagree, but it won't matter. Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Oklahoma would be in the Orange and make it a moot point. The Orange won't take UCF.

I don't really see any way Clemson makes the BCS if there's a NAQ team in the BCS- unless FSU makes the title game.
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(11-04-2013 04:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I am starting to wonder if Oregon struggles with Stanford winning something like 24-21 if poll voters may start swaying towards FSU. I don't know if that'll be enough given the cpu situation.

That's what I've been saying for days. Oregon had better not struggle. You can already see the human polls starting to "wonder".

If Oregon does struggle with a one-loss Stanford, Oregon is probably toast. FSU has its best team in the last 20 years - I know, I've watched them.

If Oregon just beats Stanford, in a fairly even game, I think the game that decides is Clemson/South Carolina. If Clemson beats SC, FSU gets the human edge.
FSU may get the human edge, but it'd be a pretty close vote. I think Oregon will have the computers(heck, may see them ahead of Alabama even in a few). FSU would need a pretty good size lead in the polls to get in the title game.
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(11-04-2013 04:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 03:51 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 01:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Some ACC fans are looking for any scenario to get Clemson in the BCS. With the NAQ team making the BCS, there would be 1 spot left, decided by the Orange. If Alabama/Oregon make title game, SEC/P12 get 2/4 at large spots, NAQ gets 3rd.

Could see Orange Bowl taking UCF if Fla St is not in NCG and their choice for other team is Wisconsin. Then the sugar would choose Clemson as long as SC is not the other team.

Not a chance really on either account. Neither Orange or Sugar would willingly pass up any Big Ten team.

Heck, for Orange, I think a bigger factor and one they could pass up a Big Ten team for is Oklahoma. I think they would love to get them 1 more time.

Sugar would take Clemson over Mich St or Wisconsin in a heartbeat, especially if Auburn is in the game.

I disagree, but it won't matter. Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Oklahoma would be in the Orange and make it a moot point. The Orange won't take UCF.

I don't really see any way Clemson makes the BCS if there's a NAQ team in the BCS- unless FSU makes the title game.

NIU or Fresno St make it difficult for Clemson without FSU in title game. But I wouldn't discount the Orange taking UCF if the choices are them or Wisky and Mich ST. They will take OU, but I think they would take 11-1 UCF over the others because the game would be sold out and there would be plenty of local buzz. IF Clemson goes 11-1, they will find their way into a BCS game with help from the ORange.
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(11-04-2013 04:10 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 03:57 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 03:51 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Could see Orange Bowl taking UCF if Fla St is not in NCG and their choice for other team is Wisconsin. Then the sugar would choose Clemson as long as SC is not the other team.

Not a chance really on either account. Neither Orange or Sugar would willingly pass up any Big Ten team.

Heck, for Orange, I think a bigger factor and one they could pass up a Big Ten team for is Oklahoma. I think they would love to get them 1 more time.

Sugar would take Clemson over Mich St or Wisconsin in a heartbeat, especially if Auburn is in the game.

I disagree, but it won't matter. Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Oklahoma would be in the Orange and make it a moot point. The Orange won't take UCF.

I don't really see any way Clemson makes the BCS if there's a NAQ team in the BCS- unless FSU makes the title game.

NIU or Fresno St make it difficult for Clemson without FSU in title game. But I wouldn't discount the Orange taking UCF if the choices are them or Wisky and Mich ST. They will take OU, but I think they would take 11-1 UCF over the others because the game would be sold out and there would be plenty of local buzz. IF Clemson goes 11-1, they will find their way into a BCS game with help from the ORange.

If Mich St or Wisconsin are eligible they are in. They travel in droves.. It's not the Orange's job to get Clemson into a BCS game. Furthermore, even if UCF goes to the Orange, Sugar likely takes either Big 12 or Big Ten team over ACC. Protecting their partner Big 12 going forward.
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(11-04-2013 04:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(11-04-2013 04:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 03:57 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 03:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Not a chance really on either account. Neither Orange or Sugar would willingly pass up any Big Ten team.

Heck, for Orange, I think a bigger factor and one they could pass up a Big Ten team for is Oklahoma. I think they would love to get them 1 more time.

Sugar would take Clemson over Mich St or Wisconsin in a heartbeat, especially if Auburn is in the game.

I disagree, but it won't matter. Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Oklahoma would be in the Orange and make it a moot point. The Orange won't take UCF.

I don't really see any way Clemson makes the BCS if there's a NAQ team in the BCS- unless FSU makes the title game.

NIU or Fresno St make it difficult for Clemson without FSU in title game. But I wouldn't discount the Orange taking UCF if the choices are them or Wisky and Mich ST. They will take OU, but I think they would take 11-1 UCF over the others because the game would be sold out and there would be plenty of local buzz. IF Clemson goes 11-1, they will find their way into a BCS game with help from the ORange.

If Mich St or Wisconsin are eligible they are in. They travel in droves.. It's not the Orange's job to get Clemson into a BCS game. Furthermore, even if UCF goes to the Orange, Sugar likely takes either Big 12 or Big Ten team over ACC. Protecting their partner Big 12 going forward.

Sugar would protect their partner, but Orange won't? UCF will travel to Miami well enough, probably better than Wisky or Mich St.
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(11-04-2013 03:57 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Sugar would take Clemson over Mich St or Wisconsin in a heartbeat, especially if Auburn is in the game.

I disagree, but it won't matter. Michigan St, Wisconsin, or Oklahoma would be in the Orange and make it a moot point. The Orange won't take UCF.

I don't really see any way Clemson makes the BCS if there's a NAQ team in the BCS- unless FSU makes the title game.

NIU or Fresno St make it difficult for Clemson without FSU in title game. But I wouldn't discount the Orange taking UCF if the choices are them or Wisky and Mich ST. They will take OU, but I think they would take 11-1 UCF over the others because the game would be sold out and there would be plenty of local buzz. IF Clemson goes 11-1, they will find their way into a BCS game with help from the ORange.

If Mich St or Wisconsin are eligible they are in. They travel in droves.. It's not the Orange's job to get Clemson into a BCS game. Furthermore, even if UCF goes to the Orange, Sugar likely takes either Big 12 or Big Ten team over ACC. Protecting their partner Big 12 going forward.

Sugar would protect their partner, but Orange won't? UCF will travel to Miami well enough, probably better than Wisky or Mich St.
Fine Orange wants to protect their partner. Problem is- that doesn't guarantee them Clemson gets in. Sugar would then get the choice, and likely it's not Clemson. And- I don't see the Orange passing on Oklahoma no matter what.
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If UCF goes to the Orange the Sugar will select Clemson..it's that simple. Wisconsin and Michigan St don't play exciting football. Clemson does and they are more like an SEC team.
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(11-04-2013 04:28 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If UCF goes to the Orange the Sugar will select Clemson..it's that simple. Wisconsin and Michigan St don't play exciting football. Clemson does and they are more like an SEC team.

A few years ago the Sugar took Michigan when they had no business being there.

And for the Orange there is the Oklahoma situation. They won't pass them up if possible.
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(11-04-2013 04:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 04:28 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If UCF goes to the Orange the Sugar will select Clemson..it's that simple. Wisconsin and Michigan St don't play exciting football. Clemson does and they are more like an SEC team.

A few years ago the Sugar took Michigan when they had no business being there.

And for the Orange there is the Oklahoma situation. They won't pass them up if possible.

Two things:

1) Sugar that year also took Virginia Tech.
2) I told you earlier if the Big 10 team was Ohio St or Michigan I can see your point. Mich St and Wisconsin don't fit the bill.
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(11-04-2013 04:34 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 04:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 04:28 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If UCF goes to the Orange the Sugar will select Clemson..it's that simple. Wisconsin and Michigan St don't play exciting football. Clemson does and they are more like an SEC team.

A few years ago the Sugar took Michigan when they had no business being there.

And for the Orange there is the Oklahoma situation. They won't pass them up if possible.

Two things:

1) Sugar that year also took Virginia Tech.
2) I told you earlier if the Big 10 team was Ohio St or Michigan I can see your point. Mich St and Wisconsin don't fit the bill.

Sugar absolutely takes a Big 10 team (any of the top 5 this season) over any ACC team unless FSU is 12-1 and got upset in a close game in the ccg. And they still might take the Big 10 team. They also take a Big 10 team over any possible Big 12 team except an 11-1 Oklahoma (if Texas is a potential wildcard they would be 9-3 and probably wouldn't be top 14). Bowls are about selling hotel rooms. Wisconsin, Michigan St., Michigan, Ohio St. and Nebraska all travel very well. VT had a history of traveling well to the Sugar Bowl. But they didn't do well that year.
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