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What would the members of the SEC think about the addition of East Carolina University into your conference? I beleive ECU is comparable to the instituions in the SEC. ECU is a football school with a strong baseball tradition, like most of the schools in the league. Our basketball program is on the rise and with an extra boost will become competetive at the highest level. And the SEC has no market prescence in North Carolina which would be a great addition to a southern conference. Just some thoughts and want your opinions. Wouldn't it be nice for the SEC to take it to the backyard of the ACC? They sem to want to go to yours. I for one would love to see ECU in the SEC and witht hat I feel that ECU will once again become the dominant football school in North Carolina. What a recruting edge ECU would have.
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No offense, you seem like a nice guy...but come on. There's no way that would happen.
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well I don't think we will be expanding any time soon but for this discussion, let's say the SEC did decide to expand. Ok so you are going with ECU, fair enough, I will say off the bat that I don't know that much about them but I could do some research on the major sports and give you a more honest answer, but who would you recommend that we add with ECU? I mean we would want to stay at an even number for scheduling, unlike the Big 10 who apparently can't count. 03-lol Keep in mind that if one team was ECU, then we would probably want to go with someone closer to the Mississippi River or at west of it for geographic layout, ECU would go to the SEC East, but who would you think would be the best fit for the West. I know the chances of this happening are pretty slim to none but it still makes for an interesting topic nonetheless.
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msudawgs64 Wrote:well I don't think we will be expanding any time soon but for this discussion, let's say the SEC did decide to expand. Ok so you are going with ECU, fair enough, I will say off the bat that I don't know that much about them but I could do some research on the major sports and give you a more honest answer, but who would you recommend that we add with ECU? I mean we would want to stay at an even number for scheduling, unlike the Big 10 who apparently can't count. 03-lol Keep in mind that if one team was ECU, then we would probably want to go with someone closer to the Mississippi River or at west of it for geographic layout, ECU would go to the SEC East, but who would you think would be the best fit for the West. I know the chances of this happening are pretty slim to none but it still makes for an interesting topic nonetheless.
You would have to go with either USM or Memphis...Yeah, I know, there are several schools already present in the SEC that would fight to the death to keep these guys out.
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GrayBeard Wrote:
msudawgs64 Wrote:well I don't think we will be expanding any time soon but for this discussion, let's say the SEC did decide to expand.  Ok so you are going with ECU, fair enough, I will say off the bat that I don't know that much about them but I could do some research on the major sports and give you a more honest answer, but who would you recommend that we add with ECU?  I mean we would want to stay at an even number for scheduling, unlike the Big 10 who apparently can't count. 03-lol  Keep in mind that if one team was ECU, then we would probably want to go with someone closer to the Mississippi River or at west of it for geographic layout, ECU would go to the SEC East, but who would you think would be the best fit for the West.  I know the chances of this happening are pretty slim to none but it still makes for an interesting topic nonetheless.
You would have to go with either USM or Memphis...Yeah, I know, there are several schools already present in the SEC that would fight to the death to keep these guys out.
03-lol I agree and believe it or not, I would think the ones doing the most crowing would be schools not from the states of MS or TN, though we would have our share. USM or Memphis does make sense geographically for sure.
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First let me say thank you. I can always bet on ECU. Best team to pick with the spread.

Second, why would the SEC consider ECU? Obvious to us a Clemson, FSU or even USM would make more sense. I would even consider trying to convince a Texas team like Texas or Houston.

Third, the SEC has it's lower tier sowed up in every sport. In football ECU may be able to beat UK or Vandy.... maybe pull an upset on a few of the down years for the rest. It just wouldn't be good for any instituion involved.
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East Carolina lobbying to get out of CUSA? Interesting...
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Maroon Frog, you and I both know that TCU has been lobbying for ages to get into the Big XII. :rolleyes: And if the Big XII gave TCU an invite right now, TCU would leave the MWC in a heartbeat.
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My intense hatred for many of the former members of the SWC notwithstanding ( here's SEC vs SWC for ya: 03-nutkick take that arrogant Tejas teams!!!), I would like to get back on the topic of East Carolina joining the SEC.

What type of a following does ECU have in North Carolina? The last time the SEC expanded, it took in two programs with pretty big fan followings (see Arkansas and South Carolina). What type of high school football talent does North Carolina have? (i.e. Are Chris Leaks the exception or the rule in NC?) I don't know if this right or wrong, but I always got the impression that the state of North Carolina is a lot like the state of Indiana: big time basketball state. Should North Carolina become more of a "football state," and East Carolina have like 70,000 seat stadium with a huge fan following, I would be pushing heavily for ECU's admission to the SEC. BTW, I'd have these same reservations about Louisville if they were wanting SEC membership too or Indiana from the Big Ten. I have no doubt that ECU could compete with some of the SEC schools, but I do have doubts about whether or not ECU could compete with all of the SEC schools.
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I do appreciate your open mindness in regards to East Carolina University. Let me respond to your worries. First of all, ECU has been a football school in the middle of ACC territory. Yes, we have had a couple of bad years but we have owned the ACC over the last decade in football. ECU has a strong following of loyal alumni and fans throughout the stae of NC. ECU, without question, is recognized throughout college sports for its fan base. The SEC is the push that could put East Carolina over the top. We have been at a hurdle for awhile and that push would be all we need. In a 1-11 season we had 55,000 fans in Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium supporting our Pirates. The fan base is there and would be identical to many of the SEC fans and schools. North Carolina has alot of football talent. Chris Leak has been an awesome QB since his days in Charlotte but there our others like him in NC. East Carolina, before the BCS, was becoming the football powerhouse in the Carolinas, both North and South. We now have a recruiting disadvantage against even a small school like Wake Forest because they are in a BCS conference and we are not. Before we could get those recruits easily. We were the premier football program in the state of NC and could easily return to that point if the playing field wee level, which it is not currently. I think SEC fans would come to enjoy the spirit and atmosphere of ECU and our fans and I think you would find us to be a great addition to your conference. The ACC is a basketball conference historically and the SEC is a football conference historically, which fits our history. I also think you would find ECU's baseball program to be a great addition to your conference. We are currently ranked #5 in the nation and with the strong baseball atmosphere in the SEC, ECU would fit in nicely. On basketball, we are building our program from the bottom up. Since joining CUSA, Coach Bill Herrion has breathed new life into our basketball program. We have a ways to go there but we can compete on any given night. Just ask Rick Pitino or Bob Huggins. Minges Coliseum on the campus of East Carolina University has become a great atmosphere for college basketball. As far as facilities go, we have great facilities. We have Dowdy Fickeln stadium which can now seat 55,000 and can be easily renovated to add another 15,000. (Which plans are in the making). We are now building a state of the art baseball facility. Minges Coliseum is a great arena for college hoops. And two years ago we opened the Murphy strength and conditioning center for the training of our student athletes. This facility is one of the best in the nation. ECU has been doing the work we just need a break, like being invited to join the SEC. Granted there are some great programs in CUSA. But I have to be honest our fans would be more pumped up playing schools like Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss. USC, Auburn, etc. than UAB, Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP, etc. Nothing against these fine institutions I am just stating my opinion. With schools coming to town in the fall on Saturdays, our campus would be one of the best atmospheres for college football in the nation. I have no doubt about that. I invite you to Greenville to see for yourself and once agin thank you for your open mindness.
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DawgNBama Wrote:Maroon Frog, you and I both know that TCU has been lobbying for ages to get into the Big XII. :rolleyes: And if the Big XII gave TCU an invite right now, TCU would leave the MWC in a heartbeat.
I won't deny that. I just said this thread about ECU and the SEC was interesting.
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The SEC isn't going to <a href='http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/stories/20030708/football/611709.html' target='_blank'>expand</a>

Athletic directors across the conference said there are no current discussions about SEC expansion.

"I don't see anybody out there that the SEC feels would bring to the table enough TV sets to warrant the split of the revenue," Broyles said. "... It would have to have a big TV set base and fan base to warrant the additional split of the money."

At last month's SEC spring meetings, it was projected that number would jump to $101.9 million this year. The addition of another school would cost member schools millions of dollars. Last year, the league's member schools shared $95.7 million from football and basketball revenues.

"There are really only a couple of reasons to expand," Turner said. "One is for money. The other is for philosophical institutional reasons and/or power. ... You've got to get through the first one before you can get to the second one, and I just don't currently see that as a possibility down the road."



Right now the BCS conferences that ECU fits and are lobbying to get into, the ACC and the SEC, are locked at 12, and the ACC released a similar article several months back saying anything higher then 12 teams severely cuts into their profit.
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I read the article. It said the SEC was "currently" not looking at expansion. This doesn't mean that expansion can't happen in the future. It just means presently expansion is not on the horizon. $$'s was the thing that both Broyles and Turner mentioned quite a bit in that article. At one time, I seriously believed that the SEC was looking to get VT maybe 5 years out in the future. However, the ACC effectively squashed that idea with taking VT in expansion. As for Texas & TAMU (Texas A&M U.), if the SEC ever wanted them, the SEC should have went after them back when the SWC was still in existence. The SEC failed to do so, so that idea has been dead for quite some time. Apparently, according to the article, the SEC knows of another school that will bring serious $$ into the conference, but hasn't named it yet. Maybe that school is ND? 03-wink
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Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:

1. If (when) the Big East splits. The D-1A football-playing schools do not seem content staying the a league together with the non-D-1A schools. I'd bet a paycheck or two that this will happen about 5 years after they start playing together as a new conference (summer 2005). The only reason they didn't split before is that neither league would have an automatic bid to the basketball tournament.

2. I've heard that it may be possible to secure two guaranteed bids under the BCS contract if a conference has 16 members consisting of 2 8-team divisions. In that scenario, the winner of each division would be guaranteed a spot in a BCS game.

Now here's my question to the board: If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
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99Tiger Wrote:Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:



Now here's my question to the board: If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
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DawgNBama Wrote:As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
Fair answer.

I would add this concerning Memphis...UT's vote would strongly depend on the governor's disposition. They haven't really been creating goodwill for themselves lately...basically, the state government has them on a bit of a leash.
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I'd have to say Memphis or even a schools like Georgia Tech or Clemson(not that either would want to leave the ACC) would be the best fits if the SEC ever expanded.

As for the comment about ECU being more excited about sports if they were playing SEC opponents: all I have to say is DUH!

If you were to pick the school that would be most excited to play SEC opponents, I'd have to say it's a toss-up between USM, Memphis and UAB. I believe the school that'd benefit most from SEC affiliation would be UAB because we are in the heart of SEC country... UAB fans would already know all the schools, cities, players, coaches, and politics because it is force-fed to us through the Birmingham media.
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DawgNBama Wrote:
99Tiger Wrote:Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:



Now here's my question to the board:&nbsp; If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
very good points though I will say that I doubt we will ever have Sewanee either asking or being asked to rejoin the SEC, they are Division III. They left the conference in 1940, when the league was only 7 years old but my guess is that the other schools were heading in one direction and they were left out, I mean they did not have a Division III at that time so I am not sure if they just gave up the sport or moved to a smaller conference, in their case they get a pass. If you look at some of the older more established conferences, they all have some programs that left, for example the Big 10 had Chicago and the Pac 10 had Idaho and Montana, in some cases they left to either join another conference that would be more competitive for them, dropped the sport altogether or dropped to a lower division to remain competitive. Tulane and Georgia Tech have no excuses and will never be back in the SEC.
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You're kidding...right?
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DawgNBama Wrote:My intense hatred for many of the former members of the SWC notwithstanding ( here's SEC vs SWC for ya: 03-nutkick take that arrogant Tejas teams!!!), I would like to get back on the topic of East Carolina joining the SEC.

What type of a following does ECU have in North Carolina? The last time the SEC expanded, it took in two programs with pretty big fan followings (see Arkansas and South Carolina). What type of high school football talent does North Carolina have? (i.e. Are Chris Leaks the exception or the rule in NC?) I don't know if this right or wrong, but I always got the impression that the state of North Carolina is a lot like the state of Indiana: big time basketball state. Should North Carolina become more of a "football state," and East Carolina have like 70,000 seat stadium with a huge fan following, I would be pushing heavily for ECU's admission to the SEC. BTW, I'd have these same reservations about Louisville if they were wanting SEC membership too or Indiana from the Big Ten. I have no doubt that ECU could compete with some of the SEC schools, but I do have doubts about whether or not ECU could compete with all of the SEC schools.
ECU, and its D1 football program, is only 50 short miles from the vast overlooked and untapped ,Tidewater VA market( 4+million) the next closest D1 football program, NC State, is 300 miles away........the ACC and Big East blindly left this market unifiliated..........the SEC could grab this market from under the very nose of the pompous ACC.....by making ECU a afiliate of the SEC........my hunch, the SEC, makes a very smart move and cherry picks, WVU and ECU....within ten years. the SEC , can see, the tens of thousands of ACC haters, making the short 50 mile drive to, ECU, to watch a sold out, SEC football game 04-cheers
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