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Thank you hog for the comments and open mind. However I would like to say one thing on your suggestion about the name of my University. To understand East Carolina you must know our region. East Carolina is a region to itself. We are almost you could say seprate from the rest of NC. I mean that in the way of our ways of living and such. Although you look at the name East and think directional, I would argue that East Carolina represents a region, almost its own state. YOu have to look past the direcitonal and understand the area.
09-09-2004 01:57 PM
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I would choose Memphis over ECU in a heartbeat. If we were to expand, Memphis and Louisville would be my picks.
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You do know that Memphis just went to their first bowl in 32 years last year right. Even when we were indy we went to more bowl games and won more bowls than they have and we have been left out of bowls that we probably deserved to be in but werent invited because we were Indy. Ask Ole Miss what it was like to play us in basketball in greenville. They didnt make it out of greenville with a win.
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Actually our market is larger than most SEC markets and it isnt fully represented. There was an article about on bonesville that i wish i could find to show you. But bascially alot of cities surrounding greenville that used to be apart of our market are now included in the raleigh market. Im talking towns that are only 15, 20,30 miles away that watch ECU athletics but count for the raleigh market. If it was fully represented like it used to be, the market would be around the size of Orlando. Anyway the SEC doesnt care about markets so that shouldnt even be an issue. Tampas market doesnt do the Big East any good if no one watches them.
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99Tiger Wrote:Now here's my question to the board: If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
IF (and I suggest "IF") SEC expansion would be considered, I would look for the SEC to raid another big conference and look for markets.

Texas and Texas A&M
Oklahoma and Texas
West Virginia and Louisville
North Carolina State and Virginia Tech
Clemson and Florida State

If the SEC would play "friendly", maybe East Carolina and West Virginia.

I don't see a 14 or 16 conference as viable, personally.
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chess Wrote:North Carolina State and Virginia Tech
Clemson and Florida State
Let's review what would happen shortly before that:

Hell would freeze over, Vanderbilt would win the football national championship in a slugfest game with Duke, I'd win the lottery twice in a row, my neighbor would get hit by lightning... 12 times in the same storm shortly before electricuting himself in the bathtub... Joan Rivers would look young again... CNN would be fair and balanced... John Kerry would earn a real purple heart... the Libertarian Party would gain majority in the house and senate... Dook Cheerleaders would get their own Playboy spread... Phil Fulmer would lose 120 ibs... Steve Spurrier would loose 221-0 to Florida Atlantic .. the GT record still standing of course... Clemson would become an academic juggernaut... I'd marry to Carmen Electra, Hilary Duff, Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Catherine Bell, Dannii Minogue, Vida Guerra ... at the same time (thanks Utah)... I'd be able to eat at the Ship's Chandler, The Beacon, and The Varsity free for life and never gain a pound... I'd get ripped and press 350 like it was nothing off a died of cheeseburgers.
10-13-2004 10:54 AM
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RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:The potential of East Carolina University scares the hell out of our instate "friends" in the ACC. This is not only true in athletics but on academics as well. ECU has a great fan base. True "SEC" type fans. Now in this day in time when TV markets matter more than fan base I say bull ******.
I assure you ECU does not scare Dook or UNC on the academic plane. No offense, but they're too established to be worried anymore.

Also, your claim is weak in terms of football at minimum. IIRC, Wake Forest blasted ECU the last two years, and before that Dook beat ECU in their house.
10-13-2004 10:56 AM
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Quote:However, for ECU to make a legitimate case, if I was Terry Holland, I'd do the following.

1) Expand your football stadium - 49,000 seats won't do in the SEC. Build it to 60,000. Then you've gotta fill it.
My alma mater can't even fill a 43,000 seat stadium in Wake Forest comes to town. How the hell would anyone expect her to fill a 60,000 when she's not playing ACC schools on the regular? Where are the fans going to come from?

Quote:2) New basketball area - You've got to make it around 10,000 seats, new state-of-the-art equipment, and ECU has to make a consistent run of trips to the Big Dance.
Again, ECU only averages about 5,500 fans a year in Williams Arena. Increasing capacity to 10,000 only benefits the crickets.

Quote:3) Baseball success - build on the success of your baseball program. If ECU makes consistent trips to Omaha, or wins a couple of CWS, that will open some eyes here.
Talent will become a problem because the ACC will get the lion's share. ECU will have trouble landing the best pitchers, as evidenced by last season's CWS series with South Carolina.

This whole "Tidewater" argument is Bull----. If the Tidewater-area was a draw, folks in that area would be falling all over themselves to drive to Greenville to see a game. Only time fans from the Tidewater area come to see a game in Greenville is when VT or William & Mary is the opponent.

ECU isn't scarin' anyone in any sport. When was the last time she beat an ACC school? Wake's won the last 4, and will win next year. Duke will beat ECU in Greenville next season because ECU won't be able to field an O-line capable of slowing down Duke's defensive front.

Folks around here realize ECUs a D1-AA program sadly imitating a D1-A outfit.

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Folks like to point out that SEC schools are in small market cities, but fail to see that when you're Florida or Georgia or Tennessee, the entire STATE is the market area.

When you're a directional school like ECU, your market area is the city you're in and maybe the surrounding counties. To compare:

Florida's market is the entire state of Florida.
Georgia's market is the entire state of Georgia
Tennessee's market is the entire state of Tennessee.
ECU's market is Greenville (NC), New Bern (NC), Washington (NC) and points in between.
10-28-2004 03:55 PM
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Personally, I think the SEC has one of the best conferences in College sports. Football-4 ranked teams and then others that are fairly decent...Alabama,South Carolina,and Florida. Then, their bread and butter, SEC basketball-4 ranked teams as well- Kentucky, Mississippi St., Florida, and Alabama...others that are good...Vandy,Georgia...so no...ECU doesn't really fit in... 03-puke
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Im posting here not to argue anything just to defend my school and soon to be alma mater. I love ECU and I think it is a great school and has alot to offer both athletically and academically. I know we aren't a Vanderbilt, but we are on par with alot of SEC schools that are tier 3.

First of all I would like to say that I agree with everyone that the SEC is the greatest football conference in America no doubt about that and the ACC is delusional that they think they are the best. I would just like to ask that everyone keep this discussion with an open mind and try not to bash my university because i will not do the same.

About football- Given this state currently in NCAA football our success has been declining due to the BCS and having to compete for recruits with 4 instate BCS schools along with surrounding BCS schools in other conferences in neighboring states. While our success hasn't been to our maximum potential the last few years one can not ignore our history and rate of success before the BCS. We have beaten a great number of quality programs with less talent, been to numerous bowls and have been left out of bowl games when we should have gone to bowls. Two years come to mind in 83' when we lost to the big 3 in florida by a combined 15 points or something and went 8-3 no bowl and in 1996 when we beat miami at the orange bowl along with state and we still didnt go to a bowl. We have played alot of the teams in the SEC over the years and have had some close games and we have had some not so close games. Dont you think if we were competitive when the BCS wasnt in place we could become just as competitve if we were in the BCS now? All we need is access and then the sky is the limit. What has Vandy, Duke, Rutgers, or Baylor, or Arizona done in the football world to warrant them full inclusion. We have done just as much as they have maybe even more with less. All we ask for is a chance. While the SEC is great and we would love to be apart of this wonderful conference i believe most of our efforts are going to involve us and the Big East. If USF got a chance why don't we deserve one?

By the way Big Fatty Mondo whatever it was the Super Regionals not the CWS. First of all we should have been hosting a Super Regional. 2nd of all both games were close and it could have gone either way. If it wasnt for the rain delay and having to take our number one pitcher out we could have won that game. Our pitchers shut down their offense just as much as much as they did. If theres one sport we can compete with the ACC in its baseball. With our new 9 million dollar stadium currently being constructed we now have the best prospects in America, we recruit nationally in baseball we dont just recruit north carolina mondo. If the ACC gets all of these better recruits why did they lay an egg against us last year? ZERO wins against and to top it off UNC is chicken to play us this year. Baseball is the least of my worries. We can recruit against anyone in baseball.
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The SEC doesn't want ECU. In fact, they don't want anybody. They don't want to expand, an article came out back in May saying they explored expansion and NOBODY had interest in expansion. Memphis AD has asked the SEC about expansion and they have basically said it's a no go. The only BCS conferences that will likely expand are the Big East, MAYBE the Pac-10 and the Big Ten (only if they add Notre Dame). Other then that, no one else is expanding. And no one is interested at all in ECU, and with good reason. They don't bring a significant market, the basketball and football program are horrible and nobody knows anything about them. They had good teams about 5 or 6 years ago but so has Tulane an Marshall and Northern Illinois and Miami-OH and none of the BCS conferences are knocking down the door looking for them. And all of those programs basketball and football programs are in much better shape then ECU's, save for Tulane. The Big East is finally healing itself, the "New" Big East would have one Top 10 program (West Virginia) and one Top 15 program (Louisville) and one near Top 25 program who will be a Top 15 or 20 program next year (Pittsburgh) so what would adding ECU bring to the conference? It's in position to maintain its BCS slot, it doesn't bring a market. The Big East has the biggest collection of markets of any conference in America anyway. It doesn't improve football (ECU would be dead last in the Big East this year), they don't add anything to basketball (they would be 2nd or 3rd to last in the Big East this year) and Big East academics are fine. And the SEC is the SEC, they don't need any help, and ECU wouldn't help them anyway. Facts are facts, none of the BCS conferences want or need ECU.
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pirates4life Wrote:You do know that Memphis just went to their first bowl in 32 years last year right. Even when we were indy we went to more bowl games and won more bowls than they have and we have been left out of bowls that we probably deserved to be in but werent invited because we were Indy. Ask Ole Miss what it was like to play us in basketball in greenville. They didnt make it out of greenville with a win.
And since then Memphis has grown by leaps and bounds over ECU in football. ECU is about 20 games under-.500 over the last 4 years (seriously). I wouldn't rip Memphis' football program. As for the ACC being scared of ECU succeeding why? If ECU was such a sleeping giant the Big East would have scooped them up. And you can't use the excuse that they passed over ECU because of basketball because they scooped up South Florida. Bottomline it's ridiculous to say that people are scared of ECU, especially the ACC. The SEC is smart. If they really thought that ECU was such a sleeping giant they would have scooped them up. As is, the SEC already has a presence in the Carolina market (South Carolina).
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This UC fan has never ceased to amaze me. He/She finds threads about East Carolina everywhere and starts their rhetoric.

We know who owns who in football.

ECU has dominated the series with UC.

Oh by the way Claw has UC managed to get more than 15,000 to see your "great program" play?
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Quote:We can recruit against anyone in baseball.
If that fact helps you sleep at night, so be it.

Wouldn't have mattered if ECU hosted the SR or not, South Carolina had a deeper pitching staff than ECU. That's where the bigger conferences on the east have an advantage over a school like ECU. They'll have deeper pitching staffs and won't have to resort to pulling a guy off of second base to throw an inning -- saw how well that strategy paid off, didn't we 03-wink
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Before the $.02.. the baseball note

ECU had a great baseball team last year. Their SOS, coupled with the fact that they needed to travel to Kinston, NC to host a regional, probably cost them a Super Regional. However, you just gotta win 2 of 3 to get to Omaha... road or home.. best team will come out the winner. ECU maybe should have had a better draw. Then again, so should UA last year. We were one of only 3 of the national 8 seeds to make it to Omaha. Our reward though was to play #1 Texas the first game and that took the wind outta our sails. Should we have had a better draw? Definitely, however you gotta take the hand dealt to you. If you're the better team, you'll win. We didn't, so we're geared up for a second run to Omaha this year.

Now, onto the rest of this..

The only BCS conferences I expect to expand would be the Pac-10 and obviously the Big East. The Big East has made their initial move, we'll see if anything else happens. The Pac-10 would have to probably lure Colorado to join them, and then it's a virtual toss up for the next seed... maybe Utah if they can keep their hoops program strong.

If the Pac-10 gets Colorado, the Big XII then looks to fill their void. In all seriousness, the Big XII really would only make two possible offers that I can think of. They can offer it to Arkansas, who is closer to 5 Big XII schools than the nearest SEC program, or they can offer it to Iowa and have the Hawkeyes join Iowa State in the Big XII. Arkansas is going nowhere, as the SEC is way too lucrative to ever want or consider leaving. Iowa is the more likely bet.

Playing devil's advocate.. I'll give the options if either Arkansas or Iowa decided to head for the Big XII. If Arkansas left, the SEC would need to grab one school. The most likely bets would be either be Florida State, Clemson, Miami, GA Tech, or any of the NC schools. The longest possible shot would probably go to Louisville, but it's very doubtful. If either FSU or Clemson went, ECU could try for an ACC slot. If Iowa leaves, the Big Ten would put everything possible into getting Notre Dame. Should that fail, and it probably would, they would set their sights on Kentucky, especially with UK's love of basketball. Should UK go, then you go right back to the earlier scenario in the SEC.

I doubt the SEC will change for decades to come. However, if all of that played out.. like I said earlier, the best things ECU can do is enlarge their fan base, stadiums, and like Al Davis said, just win baby.

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If the Big XII were to lose Colorado, my $$'s is on the Big XII taking Colorado State. CSU seems to fit the typical Big XII mold and the Big XII doesn't lose Denver as a media market. Sounds like a win-win situation to me except now the MWC loses the Denver market. Hmm.
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RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:This UC fan has never ceased to amaze me.  He/She finds threads about East Carolina everywhere and starts their rhetoric.

We know who owns who in football.

ECU has dominated the series with UC.

Oh by the way Claw has UC managed to get more than 15,000 to see your "great program" play?

Give me a break! UC has beaten your program the last three years, in 2002, 42-26 on your home field to wrap up the conference championship, in 2003, 40-3 on national T.V., and again 24-19 and actually took a knee on your 2 yard line, in your house, to end the game to stop further embarrassment. Yeah, you really own the football series huh! But you beat us 4 or 5 years ago so I guess you "own" Cincinnati and have "dominated" the series huh? By the way River, nice attendance for the Memphis game! What did you have, 2,000 people there? I'm sure ECU has inflated their numbers, oh well! And what's your record the last 5 years again? I do know that ECU's record the last 3 years is 7-27. What an "attractive" program you have! With that on the field success and "market" size it's a wonder the SEC and Big East haven't fought each other to get that great program! On a side note, our great program just won its 4th straight game, became bowl eligible, and received a vote in the Top 25.
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I wouldn't even start talking about attendance if I were you Claw. Your own fellow Cats and conference mates have laughed at your posts regarding this. Just like the post on UC averaging better attendance when playing Big East schools. You posted totaly inaccurate figures. LOL. You have been shown for what you are, a mere propogandist.

By the way have you at UC managed to get above 15,000 this year????

ECU still owns UC in football.
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Reality is the SEC is not going to expand. 12 team all-sports conferences are now the norm. Not 14 or 16. The only possibility of a change in the SEC would be Vanderbilt leaving and being replaced by West Virginia.

ECU, Memphis, USM, UAB, ect have no chance at SEC membership.
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This thread started on April 20th...how the hell has it dragged on for this long?!?

Oh wait...I just continued it.

The SEC ain't expanding anytime soon unless there is a nationwide push for 16 teams, and we're far from that point. Why don't we start an ECU to the Pac-10 thread...you have about the same shot...none. (you could replace ECU with Memphis and say the same thing)
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