(10-29-2013 11:58 PM)moo Wrote:  

Quote: I think we need to give the trailblazer credit where credit is due and not wash it down with a "met expectations" label. If you rewind the tape a bit, nobody thought that a conference network could be done profitably. Even with recent heavy inflation in the live programming market nobody else is quite there.

Everyone was laughing at Delany when the network launched. Now everyone is rushing out to get their own network. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Quote: If the Big Ten wanted to sell its soul and change some policy on revenue distribution then I think ND and/or UT would be in the Big Ten. I don't have a problem with the way it turned out.

Note, too, that the Pac-12 tried to get Texas and failed. And if the SEC could get Texas, they would snap UT up in a heartbeat. Texas and Notre Dame do not play well with others unless it's on their terms. That doesn't really work with the B1G.

That makes me very happy.

I think the BIG is still on the hunt. And I think they were probably wanting UVA and GTech / UNC. But UNC is like a mini Texas. Happy with their leadership in the AAC...

So what are the BIG's other options? He mentioned just taking who they want... They may want Kansas and Missouri... I think those theoretically make sense for the BIG.

Who they end up with? I think they take UConn. and #16 is a big Q in my mind. It would be cool to see SUNY Buffalo there - But this would such a huge athletic project... maybe it isnt worth it.

ADD Florida State + New York State

Big 10

E: IU, Pur, UM, OSU, PSU, MAR, Rut, NY State
W: NW, ILL, WIS, MIN, IO, NEB, MSU, FL State

Guys can we please stop with this Buffalo BS? It's even a stupider idea than the SEC going after Old Dominion or the Pac going after San Jose.

How say?

(10-30-2013 11:36 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Guys can we please stop with this Buffalo BS? It's even a stupider idea than the SEC going after Old Dominion or the Pac going after San Jose.

But we see that on this board all the time, don't we? If I had a dollar for every time someone here said that the Pac-12 should or will invite SJSU or SDSU or Boise State or UNLV, I'd be richer than a lottery winner.

(10-30-2013 12:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 11:36 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Guys can we please stop with this Buffalo BS? It's even a stupider idea than the SEC going after Old Dominion or the Pac going after San Jose.

But we see that on this board all the time, don't we? If I had a dollar for every time someone here said that the Pac-12 should or will invite SJSU or SDSU or Boise State or UNLV, I'd be richer than a lottery winner.

UNLV, SD St and Boise all make more sense to the Pac than Buffalo to the B1G.

(10-30-2013 11:36 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Guys can we please stop with this Buffalo BS? It's even a stupider idea than the SEC going after Old Dominion or the Pac going after San Jose.

Big Ten enrollments:

Northwestern 14,025
Nebraska 24,207
Iowa 29,642
(NYSU-Buffalo 29,852) AAU, Contiguous, Bills Stadium, 3rd largest state
Purdue 29,953
Rutgers 31,593
Maryland 37,631
Indiana 37,958
Michigan 39,993
Penn State 40,709
Wisconsin 41,447
Illinois 41,862
Michigan State 45,166
Ohio State 50,995
Minnesota 51,175

The NFL Bills do have some passionate fans. IF they ever moved to Toronto that is a big void. Of course, the big 10 probably would include the Toronto market if New York STate was ever added. THe bills stadium is pretty nice, such a concept works for USC, so yeah buffalo could be a nice project. I think if you added them + star power of florida state, that combo does work. I mean its not like i'm suggested:

http://www.txstate.edu/about/index.html

Hmmm, come to think of it, that's not a bad idea...new york, Florida and texas State's, is there a Cal state? guess San Diego state will do. I do think the big 10 could get away with NY state, great culturally match and FSU though and stand at 16.

(10-30-2013 04:27 PM)bluesox Wrote:  The NFL Bills do have some passionate fans. IF they ever moved to Toronto that is a big void. Of course, the big 10 probably would include the Toronto market if New York STate was ever added. THe bills stadium is pretty nice, such a concept works for USC, so yeah buffalo could be a nice project. I think if you added them + star power of florida state, that combo does work. I mean its not like i'm suggested:

http://www.txstate.edu/about/index.html

Hmmm, come to think of it, that's not a bad idea...new york, Florida and texas State's, is there a Cal state? guess San Diego state will do. I do think the big 10 could get away with NY state, great culturally match and FSU though and stand at 16.

I compared on another thread NYSU-Buffalo to a man taking an ugly woman out on a date. While she meets the technical requirements of a date for him, she just isn't all that attractive. However, with a little lip stick and make up and time, she would be a pretty good choice. (And everyone knows she is "easy" )

School officials are making an active effort, finally, to rebrand the school as NY State's flagship University. However, NYSU-Buffalo lacks two important factors still, 1)City of Buffalo officials remain asleep on this important economic/cultural opportunity for the area 2)Basketball and football facilities would both need some upgrade. But these both can be overcome by this prosperous, strong academic and research university. Someone in Buffalo just has to take the lead on this.

(10-30-2013 03:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 12:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 11:36 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Guys can we please stop with this Buffalo BS? It's even a stupider idea than the SEC going after Old Dominion or the Pac going after San Jose.

But we see that on this board all the time, don't we? If I had a dollar for every time someone here said that the Pac-12 should or will invite SJSU or SDSU or Boise State or UNLV, I'd be richer than a lottery winner.

UNLV, SD St and Boise all make more sense to the Pac than Buffalo to the B1G.

No, they don't. But there are a lot of dreamers out there.

(10-30-2013 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 03:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 12:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 11:36 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Guys can we please stop with this Buffalo BS? It's even a stupider idea than the SEC going after Old Dominion or the Pac going after San Jose.

But we see that on this board all the time, don't we? If I had a dollar for every time someone here said that the Pac-12 should or will invite SJSU or SDSU or Boise State or UNLV, I'd be richer than a lottery winner.

UNLV, SD St and Boise all make more sense to the Pac than Buffalo to the B1G.

No, they don't. But there are a lot of dreamers out there.

That's what John Lennon said.

(10-30-2013 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 03:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 12:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 11:36 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Guys can we please stop with this Buffalo BS? It's even a stupider idea than the SEC going after Old Dominion or the Pac going after San Jose.

But we see that on this board all the time, don't we? If I had a dollar for every time someone here said that the Pac-12 should or will invite SJSU or SDSU or Boise State or UNLV, I'd be richer than a lottery winner.

UNLV, SD St and Boise all make more sense to the Pac than Buffalo to the B1G.

No, they don't. But there are a lot of dreamers out there.

Those schools are good at some sports unlike Buffalo, so yes, it's more likely the Pac would add those than the B1G would add Buffalo. How much you think there would be no chance for those schools, multiple that by 10 and you have Buffalos chances of being invited to the B1G.

The B1G isn't looking to expand just for the sake of expanding. They would rather stay put than expand.

(10-30-2013 05:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The B1G isn't looking to expand just for the sake of expanding. They would rather stay put than expand.

No argument there -- and that applies equally to the Pac-12.

(10-30-2013 05:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 03:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 12:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 11:36 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Guys can we please stop with this Buffalo BS? It's even a stupider idea than the SEC going after Old Dominion or the Pac going after San Jose.

But we see that on this board all the time, don't we? If I had a dollar for every time someone here said that the Pac-12 should or will invite SJSU or SDSU or Boise State or UNLV, I'd be richer than a lottery winner.

UNLV, SD St and Boise all make more sense to the Pac than Buffalo to the B1G.

No, they don't. But there are a lot of dreamers out there.

Those schools are good at some sports unlike Buffalo, so yes, it's more likely the Pac would add those than the B1G would add Buffalo. How much you think there would be no chance for those schools, multiple that by 10 and you have Buffalos chances of being invited to the B1G.

The B1G isn't looking to expand just for the sake of expanding. They would rather stay put than expand.

I see Buffalo as Delaney's 16th pick. The Big Ten needs a home run pick after choosing Rutgers and Maryland, both good matches for the Big Ten, but not unlike Buffalo. I would hope Delany could snag Mizzou as the 15th team. But, frankly, this is not a home run choice that I feel he needs to make to get the Big Ten boo birds off his back. Enter UTex or Oklahoma, not "rule technical" schools for Big Ten expansion, but great football brands and will balance out the West Division with the perceived more powerful East Division.

(10-30-2013 05:48 PM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 05:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 03:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 12:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  But we see that on this board all the time, don't we? If I had a dollar for every time someone here said that the Pac-12 should or will invite SJSU or SDSU or Boise State or UNLV, I'd be richer than a lottery winner.

UNLV, SD St and Boise all make more sense to the Pac than Buffalo to the B1G.

No, they don't. But there are a lot of dreamers out there.

Those schools are good at some sports unlike Buffalo, so yes, it's more likely the Pac would add those than the B1G would add Buffalo. How much you think there would be no chance for those schools, multiple that by 10 and you have Buffalos chances of being invited to the B1G.

The B1G isn't looking to expand just for the sake of expanding. They would rather stay put than expand.

I see Buffalo as Delaney's 16th pick. The Big Ten needs a home run pick after choosing Rutgers and Maryland, both good matches for the Big Ten, but not unlike Buffalo. I would hope Delany could snag Mizzou as the 15th team. But, frankly, this is not a home run choice that I feel he needs to make to get the Big Ten boo birds off his back. Enter UTex or Oklahoma, not "rule technical" schools for Big Ten expansion, but great football brands and will balance out the West Division with the perceived more powerful East Division.

Wait, did you just say that Buffalo is basically the same as Rutgers and Maryland?

(10-30-2013 06:49 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 05:48 PM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 05:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  [quote='NJRedMan' pid='9929048' dateline='1383164398']

UNLV, SD St and Boise all make more sense to the Pac than Buffalo to the B1G.

No, they don't. But there are a lot of dreamers out there.

Those schools are good at some sports unlike Buffalo, so yes, it's more likely the Pac would add those than the B1G would add Buffalo. How much you think there would be no chance for those schools, multiple that by 10 and you have Buffalos chances of being invited to the B1G.

The B1G isn't looking to expand just for the sake of expanding. They would rather stay put than expand.

I see Buffalo as Delaney's 16th pick. The Big Ten needs a home run pick after choosing Rutgers and Maryland, both good matches for the Big Ten, but not unlike Buffalo. I would hope Delany could snag Mizzou as the 15th team. But, frankly, this is not a home run choice that I feel he needs to make to get the Big Ten boo birds off his back. Enter UTex or Oklahoma, not "rule technical" schools for Big Ten expansion, but great football brands and will balance out the West Division with the perceived more powerful East Division.

Wait, did you just say that Buffalo is basically the same as Rutgers and Maryland?

UB football team isn't too bad this year. Only two losses have been to ranked teams, tOSU and Baylor. Played tOSU well in Columbus to start the season. I see them as not far behind either Maryland or, even, Rutgers in football. MAC teams have been beating some weaker Big Ten teams in recent years. I think big time basketball talent will flood into Buffalo from NYC if they go to the Big Ten. SUNY community colleges in western NY tend to be pretty good in basketball because of decent talent that always comes in from NYC.
Btw...UCONN football this year: UB beat them 41-12, Maryland beat them 32-21. Rutgers plays them next month.

(10-30-2013 05:48 PM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 05:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 03:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 12:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  But we see that on this board all the time, don't we? If I had a dollar for every time someone here said that the Pac-12 should or will invite SJSU or SDSU or Boise State or UNLV, I'd be richer than a lottery winner.

UNLV, SD St and Boise all make more sense to the Pac than Buffalo to the B1G.

No, they don't. But there are a lot of dreamers out there.

Those schools are good at some sports unlike Buffalo, so yes, it's more likely the Pac would add those than the B1G would add Buffalo. How much you think there would be no chance for those schools, multiple that by 10 and you have Buffalos chances of being invited to the B1G.

The B1G isn't looking to expand just for the sake of expanding. They would rather stay put than expand.

I see Buffalo as Delaney's 16th pick. The Big Ten needs a home run pick after choosing Rutgers and Maryland, both good matches for the Big Ten, but not unlike Buffalo. I would hope Delany could snag Mizzou as the 15th team. But, frankly, this is not a home run choice that I feel he needs to make to get the Big Ten boo birds off his back. Enter UTex or Oklahoma, not "rule technical" schools for Big Ten expansion, but great football brands and will balance out the West Division with the perceived more powerful East Division.

Buffalo is that home run pick?

Ok then....

(10-30-2013 07:51 PM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 06:49 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 05:48 PM)Badger Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 05:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 04:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  [quote='NJRedMan' pid='9929048' dateline='1383164398']

UNLV, SD St and Boise all make more sense to the Pac than Buffalo to the B1G.

No, they don't. But there are a lot of dreamers out there.

Those schools are good at some sports unlike Buffalo, so yes, it's more likely the Pac would add those than the B1G would add Buffalo. How much you think there would be no chance for those schools, multiple that by 10 and you have Buffalos chances of being invited to the B1G.

The B1G isn't looking to expand just for the sake of expanding. They would rather stay put than expand.

I see Buffalo as Delaney's 16th pick. The Big Ten needs a home run pick after choosing Rutgers and Maryland, both good matches for the Big Ten, but not unlike Buffalo. I would hope Delany could snag Mizzou as the 15th team. But, frankly, this is not a home run choice that I feel he needs to make to get the Big Ten boo birds off his back. Enter UTex or Oklahoma, not "rule technical" schools for Big Ten expansion, but great football brands and will balance out the West Division with the perceived more powerful East Division.

Wait, did you just say that Buffalo is basically the same as Rutgers and Maryland?

UB football team isn't too bad this year. Only two losses have been to ranked teams, tOSU and Baylor. Played tOSU well in Columbus to start the season. I see them as not far behind either Maryland or, even, Rutgers in football. MAC teams have been beating some weaker Big Ten teams in recent years. I think big time basketball talent will flood into Buffalo from NYC if they go to the Big Ten. SUNY community colleges in western NY tend to be pretty good in basketball because of decent talent that always comes in from NYC.
Btw...UCONN football this year: UB beat them 41-12, Maryland beat them 32-21. Rutgers plays them next month.

C'mon dude, it's Buffalo we're talking about. I don't know why you think NYC talent will flow into Buffalo. You know how far Buffalo is from NYC? It's closer to go to Maryland or Virginia than it is to go to Buffalo. Also really friggin' cold!

I think the Buffalo/New York State and Florida State combo could work for spot 15-16 in the big 10. That probably has more to do with FSU than buffalo but they balance each other fine...let the academic types bring in the suny system while the football types bring in FSU football + they both have huge markets. The difference with say Buffalo and UVA or unc is buffalo is a culture fit with the big 10 while UVA isn't. I don't believe buffalo fits with any other school other than FSU. IF it takes buffalo to bring in FSU for the big 10 president, than i would pull that trigger even if buffalo athletics aren't much.