NDSU

Dodd, over at CBS, is on some kind of NDSU kick where he claims they'd be right at home in a P5 conference.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous but what do y'all think? Is NDSU a real top 25 team in the county or is Dodd just nuts and slobbering for some unknown reason?

(10-30-2013 09:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  NDSU

Dodd, over at CBS, is on some kind of NDSU kick where he claims they'd be right at home in a G5 conference.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous but what do y'all think? Is NDSU a real top 25 team in the county or is Dodd just nuts and slobbering for some unknown reason?

They are solid. You saw what they did against the same Kansas St team ULL played and ULL is the best team in the SBC. They are not top 25, but top 50 is realistic.

(10-30-2013 09:53 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  NDSU

Dodd, over at CBS, is on some kind of NDSU kick where he claims they'd be right at home in a G5 conference.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous but what do y'all think? Is NDSU a real top 25 team in the county or is Dodd just nuts and slobbering for some unknown reason?

They are solid. You saw what they did against the same Kansas St team ULL played and ULL is the best team in the SBC. They are not top 25, but top 50 is realistic.

How about being competitive in an AQ conference?

ive said this a few times before, but my general theory on the it.....

if a school beats a bunch of easy schools then beats 1 or 2 hard schools in the same season. does that mean they can be successful in a hard school conference? i say the chances of success if they upgraded to that hard conference

5% chance they can be top tier
15% they can be slightly above average
30% chance they will average
50% chance they will be below average

why? because its a whole different ballpark when you have to play the hard teams week in week out and have to compete for the same recruits

I think this years team is a top 25 team. They are experienced and have been killing the teams they have played (N. Iowa exception) this year.

(10-30-2013 09:55 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:53 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  NDSU

Dodd, over at CBS, is on some kind of NDSU kick where he claims they'd be right at home in a G5 conference.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous but what do y'all think? Is NDSU a real top 25 team in the county or is Dodd just nuts and slobbering for some unknown reason?

They are solid. You saw what they did against the same Kansas St team ULL played and ULL is the best team in the SBC. They are not top 25, but top 50 is realistic.

How about being competitive in an AQ conference?

An AQ conference wouldn't invite NDSU due to stadium contraints and the region's lack of population. The MAC won't bite, the MWC certainly won't and the Sunbelt wouldn't have any interest. Its all a quaint ideal of Dobbs.

(10-30-2013 10:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:55 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:53 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  NDSU

Dodd, over at CBS, is on some kind of NDSU kick where he claims they'd be right at home in a G5 conference.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous but what do y'all think? Is NDSU a real top 25 team in the county or is Dodd just nuts and slobbering for some unknown reason?

They are solid. You saw what they did against the same Kansas St team ULL played and ULL is the best team in the SBC. They are not top 25, but top 50 is realistic.

How about being competitive in an AQ conference?

An AQ conference wouldn't invite NDSU due to stadium contraints and the region's lack of population. The MAC won't bite, the MWC certainly won't and the Sunbelt wouldn't have any interest. Its all a quaint ideal of Dobbs.

I think he was talking purely in the context of on-field performance.

Would NDSU be a winning, or competitive, team if it played in the Big10 every week?

While there have been schools to make the FCS to FBS transition seamlessly, it is harder than most believe.

In FCS it isn't unusual for a top school to play one non-Division I (easy win), 9 FCS (of which maybe three or four are good enough to be toss-up or close to it) and one FBS.

Often times you go into that FBS game facing a team that stupidly fails to respect you. They see the FCS label and think they might have to play hard for a few drives and can coast and instead they get punched in the nose at the opening bell and suddenly are having to get motivated during a game rather than coming in motivated.

People assume than an FCS will have inferior talent across the board yet that often isn't the case. A few years back I went through several years of Super Bowl rosters and right at 1/4th of the rosters were kids who went non-FBS schools. And even if the talent were superior across the board that doesn't mean you are going to win all 11 match-ups on the field on 10 out of 10 plays. More realistically you win 5 out of 10, are even on 3 and lose 2 out of 10 plays. Then it becomes like Powerball hoping you "hit" with several of the match-up wins on one play.

The App State team that beat Michigan did win the FCS title, but they lost twice to FCS schools, one of those at home.

The JMU team that beat VaTech lost five FCS games and missed the playoffs.

So merely being able to beat an FBS on a given day doesn't equate to an assurance you can have a team that can handle playing 11 FBS and one FCS with success.

NDSU may well be a program that can transition smoothly.

2010 went 9-5 after beating Kansas and lost in the quarterfinals on the road.
2011 went 14-1 beat Minnesota and won the FCS title
2012 went 14-1 beat Colorado State and won the FCS title.
2013 currently 8-0 and beat K-State

The question for NDSU is can they afford 200 grants in aid, 16 sports, draw sufficent crowds to comfortably meet the attendance criteria, afford the higher salaries and recruiting costs, and finally be attractive to a league that would consider them.

They are 600 miles from the nearest MAC school, an 800 mile drive from the nearest MWC, 837 from the nearest AAC, 982 from the nearest Sun Belt, and 1040 from the nearest CUSA.

By comparison, NMSU viewed as too far away by many in the Sun Belt is 633 miles from the nearest Sun Belt and until the WAC added the Texas schools for last year they were 900 miles from the nearest WAC.

(10-30-2013 09:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  NDSU

Dodd, over at CBS, is on some kind of NDSU kick where he claims they'd be right at home in a P5 conference.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous but what do y'all think? Is NDSU a real top 25 team in the county or is Dodd just nuts and slobbering for some unknown reason?

In football, sure, they could be in a P5 conference if that P5 conference consisted of the existing P5 teams in their general locale. Say Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Illinois, and Wisconsin was a conference. NDSU would probably be an average football team in that conference most years. Academically, they would not be a fit at all. I'm not sure how good they are in other sports, but I'm sure they would field competitive teams in that type of conference.

As currently composed, I just don't see them receiving Texas, Michigan, or Ohio State for a home conference game. I suppose NDSU is a decent comparison to Appalachian State in football. NDSU is a national university where App. St. is a regional, so they have that going for them.

(10-30-2013 10:12 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:55 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:53 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  NDSU

Dodd, over at CBS, is on some kind of NDSU kick where he claims they'd be right at home in a G5 conference.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous but what do y'all think? Is NDSU a real top 25 team in the county or is Dodd just nuts and slobbering for some unknown reason?

They are solid. You saw what they did against the same Kansas St team ULL played and ULL is the best team in the SBC. They are not top 25, but top 50 is realistic.

How about being competitive in an AQ conference?

An AQ conference wouldn't invite NDSU due to stadium contraints and the region's lack of population. The MAC won't bite, the MWC certainly won't and the Sunbelt wouldn't have any interest. Its all a quaint ideal of Dobbs.

I think he was talking purely in the context of on-field performance.

Would NDSU be a winning, or competitive, team if it played in the Big10 every week?

Big 10 west, probably, especially if they ever add Kansas. Big 10 East (Michigan/Indiana eastward), I doubt it.

They're a very good team. After seeing them play I am pretty comfortable saying that they are as good as UCF, UL, VPI and the other teams ranked 25-15. They could beat Fresno State and they could beat Miami. They're tough and their QB is the real deal.

(10-30-2013 10:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The question for NDSU is can they afford 200 grants in aid, 16 sports, draw sufficent crowds to comfortably meet the attendance criteria, afford the higher salaries and recruiting costs, and finally be attractive to a league that would consider them.

They are 600 miles from the nearest MAC school, an 800 mile drive from the nearest MWC, 837 from the nearest AAC, 982 from the nearest Sun Belt, and 1040 from the nearest CUSA.

By comparison, NMSU viewed as too far away by many in the Sun Belt is 633 miles from the nearest Sun Belt and until the WAC added the Texas schools for last year they were 900 miles from the nearest WAC.

The bolded part is really the big one. NDSU already offers 16 sports, the support and finances are there to move to a lower level FBS conference but there are just no regional conferences available to join. The WAC would have been a possibility but unfortunately it is dead.

From the academic side the school is a top tier research university per Carnegie so it isn't like the school doesn't offer some things other university presidents would be impressed with.

It is really just a matter of having nowhere to go. I wish the NCAA would allow NDSU and a group of schools to create a new western FBS conference.

NDSU, NMSU, Idaho and Montana would be a solid core to build with.

NDSU is a nice FCS program, but to suggest they could jump to a P5 conference and be top 25 is a stretch. On a single game series perhaps, but week in and week out no. Just ask any coach at Utah or TCU about making the jump from a G5 schedule to a P5 schedule, and how different a paradigm that is ...

NDSU would be .500 in the MWC in it's first year (which would be a great fit if they could convince the MT programs to make the jump).

If the new Vikings stadium would host an FBS Bowl hosted by an FBS Big Sky Conference vs the MAC, it could draw well. The Big Sky would have to gain the FBS autobid from the WAC, which probably wouldn't happen.

(10-30-2013 12:56 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  They're a very good team. After seeing them play I am pretty comfortable saying that they are as good as UCF, UL, VPI and the other teams ranked 25-15. They could beat Fresno State and they could beat Miami. They're tough and their QB is the real deal.

I'm confident that they could beat Miami University this year, but I'm skeptical that they could beat the University of Miami.

We'll see if the Bison can maintain success after Nebraska hires Craig Bohl away from them.

(10-30-2013 10:12 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think he was talking purely in the context of on-field performance.

Would NDSU be a winning, or competitive, team if it played in the Big10 every week?

If the Bison had a Big 10 budget and 85 schollies worth of legit Big 10 talent, sure, they'd be competitive.

In the meantime, they have 63 schollies and some Big 10 overlooks. It would take time. That goes without saying.

It's along the line of the stupid argument way back in the Myspace forum days were Boise naysayers would always claim that Boise couldn't "do it" every week if they magically got put into the SEC at the snap of your fingers. Yeah, no kidding. Boise had about 1/3 of the revenue (if that much) to work with back then compared to an average SEC school and were lucky to grab a smattering of California players back when they were beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Can't have it both ways. Either put NDSU on a level field or don't make the comparison.

(10-30-2013 09:43 PM)moo Wrote:  We'll see if the Bison can maintain success after Nebraska hires Craig Bohl away from them.

I doubt that. As you know, Bohl was apart of Frank Solich's squads that started not to play defense. I think he wore out that welcome in Huskerdom. So, any other riveting rumors?

(10-30-2013 10:33 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:12 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think he was talking purely in the context of on-field performance.

Would NDSU be a winning, or competitive, team if it played in the Big10 every week?

If the Bison had a Big 10 budget and 85 schollies worth of legit Big 10 talent, sure, they'd be competitive.

In the meantime, they have 63 schollies and some Big 10 overlooks. It would take time. That goes without saying.

It's along the line of the stupid argument way back in the Myspace forum days were Boise naysayers would always claim that Boise couldn't "do it" every week if they magically got put into the SEC at the snap of your fingers. Yeah, no kidding. Boise had about 1/3 of the revenue (if that much) to work with back then compared to an average SEC school and were lucky to grab a smattering of California players back when they were beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Can't have it both ways. Either put NDSU on a level field or don't make the comparison.

(10-30-2013 09:43 PM)moo Wrote:  We'll see if the Bison can maintain success after Nebraska hires Craig Bohl away from them.

I doubt that. As you know, Bohl was apart of Frank Solich's squads that started not to play defense. I think he wore out that welcome in Huskerdom. So, any other riveting rumors?

WKU hired Petrino. NDSU hired Bohl. Similar sitatutions

(10-30-2013 10:33 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:12 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think he was talking purely in the context of on-field performance.

Would NDSU be a winning, or competitive, team if it played in the Big10 every week?

If the Bison had a Big 10 budget and 85 schollies worth of legit Big 10 talent, sure, they'd be competitive.

In the meantime, they have 63 schollies and some Big 10 overlooks. It would take time. That goes without saying.

It's along the line of the stupid argument way back in the Myspace forum days were Boise naysayers would always claim that Boise couldn't "do it" every week if they magically got put into the SEC at the snap of your fingers. Yeah, no kidding. Boise had about 1/3 of the revenue (if that much) to work with back then compared to an average SEC school and were lucky to grab a smattering of California players back when they were beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Can't have it both ways. Either put NDSU on a level field or don't make the comparison.

(10-30-2013 09:43 PM)moo Wrote:  We'll see if the Bison can maintain success after Nebraska hires Craig Bohl away from them.

I doubt that. As you know, Bohl was apart of Frank Solich's squads that started not to play defense. I think he wore out that welcome in Huskerdom. So, any other riveting rumors?

The point is that Dodd at CBS is saying as is. As they are today do you agree with the man or is he a silly as I think he is?

(10-31-2013 12:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:33 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:12 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think he was talking purely in the context of on-field performance.

Would NDSU be a winning, or competitive, team if it played in the Big10 every week?

If the Bison had a Big 10 budget and 85 schollies worth of legit Big 10 talent, sure, they'd be competitive.

In the meantime, they have 63 schollies and some Big 10 overlooks. It would take time. That goes without saying.

It's along the line of the stupid argument way back in the Myspace forum days were Boise naysayers would always claim that Boise couldn't "do it" every week if they magically got put into the SEC at the snap of your fingers. Yeah, no kidding. Boise had about 1/3 of the revenue (if that much) to work with back then compared to an average SEC school and were lucky to grab a smattering of California players back when they were beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Can't have it both ways. Either put NDSU on a level field or don't make the comparison.

(10-30-2013 09:43 PM)moo Wrote:  We'll see if the Bison can maintain success after Nebraska hires Craig Bohl away from them.

I doubt that. As you know, Bohl was apart of Frank Solich's squads that started not to play defense. I think he wore out that welcome in Huskerdom. So, any other riveting rumors?

The point is that Dodd at CBS is saying as is. As they are today do you agree with the man or is he a silly as I think he is?

Dodd is a hack...he so misread conference realignment and he misread this. NDSU is decent but as currently constructed would be a mediocre P5 team. They would win 2 conference games at the most.