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(10-27-2013 05:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.

Why would they want to give up independence to be in the AAC you describe?

They will be included in any "D4" as an independent.

Conference Tournaments could be one reason. Two more possible games at the end of the year. I understand that any explanation as to why they might want to give up independence is going to be lost upon you Terry, but it is possible.
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(10-27-2013 05:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 05:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.

Why would they want to give up independence to be in the AAC you describe?

They will be included in any "D4" as an independent.

Because they might like easier access to the BCS, easier access to multiple bowls, and they may not want to be on the road for the last month of every season. They could play an AAC schedule and still play 4 top level AQ's if they like. Frankly, I think it will come down to how the new D-4 is set up. They might prefer independence or prefer a conference depending on the way D4 is designed.

I don't think getting into an Access Bowl if they deserve it is going to be too much of a problem for BYU with that large fanbase.
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They have a better schedule than any G5 school so in a big year an easier path to access bowl .
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(10-27-2013 06:38 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 05:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 05:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.

Why would they want to give up independence to be in the AAC you describe?

They will be included in any "D4" as an independent.

Because they might like easier access to the BCS, easier access to multiple bowls, and they may not want to be on the road for the last month of every season. They could play an AAC schedule and still play 4 top level AQ's if they like. Frankly, I think it will come down to how the new D-4 is set up. They might prefer independence or prefer a conference depending on the way D4 is designed.

I don't think getting into an Access Bowl if they deserve it is going to be too much of a problem for BYU with that large fanbase.

Their fan base is irrelevant for an access bowl. Look around. They are not exactly landing the Cap One Bowl every year. BYU is a nice bowl guest, but bowls are not crazy about signing individual schools not named Notre Dame. There is way more security in signing a conference tie.

To be honest, if I were the AAC or the MW I'd look to give BYU a Notre Dame deal. Five game scheduling agreement in football and full Olympic sports membership. Both sides win. They keep their ESPN deal. You can create some nice games on the football schedule, increase the basketball strength, and increase the TV appeal of the conference. It would actually add value to either conference. BYU gets a better basketball conference, late season game coverage, 7 games to schedule who they wish, access to a larger variety of bowls, and they officially stay independent. Seems like a no brainer to me.
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(10-27-2013 06:53 PM)MJG Wrote:  They have a better schedule than any G5 school so in a big year an easier path to access bowl .

Better schdule? Yes. Easier path? No way! They probably have to finish at #5 to get in. A G-5 conference champ can finish at #36 (if that's higher than any other G-5 champ).
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(10-27-2013 07:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 06:53 PM)MJG Wrote:  They have a better schedule than any G5 school so in a big year an easier path to access bowl .

Better schdule? Yes. Easier path? No way! They probably have to finish at #5 to get in. A G-5 conference champ can finish at #36 (if that's higher than any other G-5 champ).

Exactly! For BYU it is playoffs or a G5 coalition bowl. The Bowls are settled now and BYU has only 1 setup for the next 6 years.

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Their 2014 schedule has 1 FCS team and 9 G5 teams.
Their 2015 schedule has 8 G5 teams. No better than any other G5 teams but at least the G5 champion who is ranked the highest gets a major bowl. Half their schedule is MW games. So they use the MW for scheduling but don't get the benefit of a Major Bowl or MW bowl games. I think after a few years of the MW getting the Access spot with BYU in the minor bowls even if they have a better record will have them reconsider the MW. They can still get invited to a P5 conference if any expansion happens.
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If BYU Joins Any Conference For Any Reason It Would Be The Big 12. BYU Sees Themselves As Just As Good Or Better Than Utah, They Will Only Join A Conference That Is Just As Good As Or Better Than The PAC 12. I'm Sorry But The AAC Is Not That.
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(10-27-2013 05:28 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 05:06 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.

Why would they want to give up independence to be in the AAC you describe?

They will be included in any "D4" as an independent.

Conference Tournaments could be one reason. Two more possible games at the end of the year. I understand that any explanation as to why they might want to give up independence is going to be lost upon you Terry, but it is possible.



Likewise, any argument that a school may prefer independence over conference membership may be lost upon you, but it is possible.

P.S. I don't think that conference tournaments are as likely as you may believe.
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I believe the MWC wwent 0-for-P5, maybe 0-18 record.
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BYU could possibly join a power conference soon (probably the B12). It was discussed by the commentators during BYU’s game against Boise St that its coach thinks BYU will play for a national championship in the near future. The only way this happens is if BYU joins a P5 conference. Consequently, the B12 commissioner should have been on the phone talking to BYU the next day….
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BYU Sports Nation ‏@BYUSportsNation 41m

Holmoe said the "interesting" 2 bowl games will be diff than what #BYU has done in the past. All bowl will be locked prior to next season.
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Holmoe told BYU Sports Nation the other bowl games are "something we are working on with ESPN right now for the future." #BYU
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More from Holmoe...The other 2 yrs of the 6 yr Bowl term will be "something interesting for the fans." #BYU
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Tom Holmoe today on BYU Sports Nation. BYU Bowl situation over next 6 yrs. 2 yrs w/ Poinsettia, 2 yrs locked w/ another yet 2B named bowls.
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So the 2 yet to be named I guess are Hawaii and Las Vegas (the 2 MW vacates during the next cycle) and 2 with the ESPN G5 Bowl coalition.
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Hawaii and Vegas are the obvious "interesting for the fans" choices. Both would sell a lot of tickets to BYU fans.

The others could be any of the ESPN-owned bowl games, which would include, in addition to Hawaii and Vegas, a few games in reasonable proximity to BYU: The Potato bowl in Boise, the New Mexico bowl in Albuquerque, the Meineke bowl in Houston, and the Armed Forces bowl in Fort Worth.
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(10-27-2013 03:50 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the old Big East had stayed together, I think that would have been a better place for BYU, but that ship has sailed:

Big East Football West:
BYU*
San Diego State*
Boise State*
TCU
Louisville
Cincinnati

Big East Football East:
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Rutgers
Syracuse
Connecticut
South Florida

At that point it may be a toss up which one of the MWC or WAC survives. I think one of the big mistakes was the Big East not requiring all of the western football-only members to join the same conference - even if the MWC had reduced WAC football to zero, the WAC could have added those four with Seattle, Denver, and Texas-Arlington. Even with the defections, the Big East would have been pretty strong this year in football

Big East Football West (*football only):
BYU*
San Diego State*
Boise State*
Fresno State*
SMU
Houston

Big East Football East:
Louisville
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Connecticut
Central Florida
South Florida

The real question is if everyone would have stayed for the next incarnation, when Louisville and Rutgers become Temple and Memphis.

It's a moot point but where would Fresno State have put their other sports?
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(10-27-2013 08:03 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  If BYU Joins Any Conference For Any Reason It Would Be The Big 12. BYU Sees Themselves As Just As Good Or Better Than Utah, They Will Only Join A Conference That Is Just As Good As Or Better Than The PAC 12. I'm Sorry But The AAC Is Not That.

This is part of it. There's definitely some big time branding perception involved here and it's driven by the leadership of the LDS as opposed to the athletic department. This isn't about making bowls or ease of scheduling for BYU. Instead, this is about what makes them into a national brand that gets exposure nationally (i.e. ESPN, BYUtv) and overseas. Independence is absolutely better for BYU in that regard compared to joining a Group of Five conference (even with a special Boise State-type revenue deal). A school that can make a go of it as an independent is a "special" brand (and I'm talking about independence by choice as opposed to forced independence a la what happened to the remnants of the WAC temporarily). Even if the athletic department at BYU would want to see them join a conference, the LDS leadership has an entirely different game plan.

The only way that BYU joins a conference is if it's the Big 12. (BYU would love the Pac-12, but political factors within that league would kill that prospect.) There's about as much of a chance of BYU taking a "special deal" with a Gang of 5 conference as there is of Notre Dame doing the same.
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(10-28-2013 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 08:03 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  If BYU Joins Any Conference For Any Reason It Would Be The Big 12. BYU Sees Themselves As Just As Good Or Better Than Utah, They Will Only Join A Conference That Is Just As Good As Or Better Than The PAC 12. I'm Sorry But The AAC Is Not That.

This is part of it. There's definitely some big time branding perception involved here and it's driven by the leadership of the LDS as opposed to the athletic department. This isn't about making bowls or ease of scheduling for BYU. Instead, this is about what makes them into a national brand that gets exposure nationally (i.e. ESPN, BYUtv) and overseas. Independence is absolutely better for BYU in that regard compared to joining a Group of Five conference (even with a special Boise State-type revenue deal). A school that can make a go of it as an independent is a "special" brand (and I'm talking about independence by choice as opposed to forced independence a la what happened to the remnants of the WAC temporarily). Even if the athletic department at BYU would want to see them join a conference, the LDS leadership has an entirely different game plan.

The only way that BYU joins a conference is if it's the Big 12. (BYU would love the Pac-12, but political factors within that league would kill that prospect.) There's about as much of a chance of BYU taking a "special deal" with a Gang of 5 conference as there is of Notre Dame doing the same.

I think they would take a special deal with a G-5 conference because they are effectively already doing it. WCC for basketball and a football schedule that has G-5 schools on it. Do you realize BYU plays 6 G-5 schools this year? They play 9 next year. They have 8 more G-5 schools scheduled in 2015. Where's the down side? A special deal would actually upgrade their olympic sports profile, allow a few late season home football games, allow wider access to bowls, allow the retention of their own TV deal, and allow continued flexibility in scheduling. Besides, they would be the only school other than Notre Dame to have such a deal (lol...you know they would like that). They play a number of G-5's anyway---a special deal actually gives them a far better return on those games. What I don't think you will see is BYU actually join a G-5 conference for football.
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(10-28-2013 06:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 08:03 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  If BYU Joins Any Conference For Any Reason It Would Be The Big 12. BYU Sees Themselves As Just As Good Or Better Than Utah, They Will Only Join A Conference That Is Just As Good As Or Better Than The PAC 12. I'm Sorry But The AAC Is Not That.

This is part of it. There's definitely some big time branding perception involved here and it's driven by the leadership of the LDS as opposed to the athletic department. This isn't about making bowls or ease of scheduling for BYU. Instead, this is about what makes them into a national brand that gets exposure nationally (i.e. ESPN, BYUtv) and overseas. Independence is absolutely better for BYU in that regard compared to joining a Group of Five conference (even with a special Boise State-type revenue deal). A school that can make a go of it as an independent is a "special" brand (and I'm talking about independence by choice as opposed to forced independence a la what happened to the remnants of the WAC temporarily). Even if the athletic department at BYU would want to see them join a conference, the LDS leadership has an entirely different game plan.

The only way that BYU joins a conference is if it's the Big 12. (BYU would love the Pac-12, but political factors within that league would kill that prospect.) There's about as much of a chance of BYU taking a "special deal" with a Gang of 5 conference as there is of Notre Dame doing the same.

I think they would take a special deal with a G-5 conference because they are effectively already doing it. WCC for basketball and a football schedule that has G-5 schools on it. Do you realize BYU plays 6 G-5 schools this year? They play 9 next year. They have 8 more G-5 schools scheduled in 2015. Where's the down side? A special deal would actually upgrade their olympic sports profile, allow a few late season home football games, allow wider access to bowls, allow the retention of their own TV deal, and allow continued flexibility in scheduling. Besides, they would be the only school other than Notre Dame to have such a deal (lol...you know they would like that). They play a number of G-5's anyway---a special deal actually gives them a far better return on those games. What I don't think you will see is BYU actually join a G-5 conference for football.

If by special deal you mean that BYU would stay independent and play a partial G-5 conference schedule, that's possible. However, once again, the LDS itself runs the show at that school. As someone else mentioned, the fact that the WCC almost entirely consists of faith-based schools is a huge plus for BYU and a huge reason why BYU ultimately selected to go there. The LDS sees reaching out to other Christian denominations as an important goal, which the WCC plays into. Plus, the WCC actually provides non-BYU content to BYUtv, such as several WCC basketball tournament games. Money isn't a big object to BYU unless you're talking about power conference dollars.
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(10-28-2013 06:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 08:03 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  If BYU Joins Any Conference For Any Reason It Would Be The Big 12. BYU Sees Themselves As Just As Good Or Better Than Utah, They Will Only Join A Conference That Is Just As Good As Or Better Than The PAC 12. I'm Sorry But The AAC Is Not That.

This is part of it. There's definitely some big time branding perception involved here and it's driven by the leadership of the LDS as opposed to the athletic department. This isn't about making bowls or ease of scheduling for BYU. Instead, this is about what makes them into a national brand that gets exposure nationally (i.e. ESPN, BYUtv) and overseas. Independence is absolutely better for BYU in that regard compared to joining a Group of Five conference (even with a special Boise State-type revenue deal). A school that can make a go of it as an independent is a "special" brand (and I'm talking about independence by choice as opposed to forced independence a la what happened to the remnants of the WAC temporarily). Even if the athletic department at BYU would want to see them join a conference, the LDS leadership has an entirely different game plan.

The only way that BYU joins a conference is if it's the Big 12. (BYU would love the Pac-12, but political factors within that league would kill that prospect.) There's about as much of a chance of BYU taking a "special deal" with a Gang of 5 conference as there is of Notre Dame doing the same.

I think they would take a special deal with a G-5 conference because they are effectively already doing it. WCC for basketball and a football schedule that has G-5 schools on it. Do you realize BYU plays 6 G-5 schools this year? They play 9 next year. They have 8 more G-5 schools scheduled in 2015. Where's the down side? A special deal would actually upgrade their olympic sports profile, allow a few late season home football games, allow wider access to bowls, allow the retention of their own TV deal, and allow continued flexibility in scheduling. Besides, they would be the only school other than Notre Dame to have such a deal (lol...you know they would like that). They play a number of G-5's anyway---a special deal actually gives them a far better return on those games. What I don't think you will see is BYU actually join a G-5 conference for football.

If by special deal you mean that BYU would stay independent and play a partial G-5 conference schedule, that's possible. However, once again, the LDS itself runs the show at that school. As someone else mentioned, the fact that the WCC almost entirely consists of faith-based schools is a huge plus for BYU and a huge reason why BYU ultimately selected to go there. The LDS sees reaching out to other Christian denominations as an important goal, which the WCC plays into. Plus, the WCC actually provides non-BYU content to BYUtv, such as several WCC basketball tournament games. Money isn't a big object to BYU unless you're talking about power conference dollars.

Yes. Im talking about essentially the exact same deal "Notre Dame" has with the ACC. BYU could link itself to either the AAC or the MW in this fashion. BYU would play 4-5 football games vs conference teams and join the league for Olympic sports. BYU would have access to the conference bowl line-up. BYU would continue to be independent (or at least as independent as Notre Dame is) and would continue along with its own ESPN contract. The only media revenue sharing would come from an equal share of conference basketball/Olympic sports revenue.
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(10-28-2013 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-27-2013 08:03 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  If BYU Joins Any Conference For Any Reason It Would Be The Big 12. BYU Sees Themselves As Just As Good Or Better Than Utah, They Will Only Join A Conference That Is Just As Good As Or Better Than The PAC 12. I'm Sorry But The AAC Is Not That.

This is part of it. There's definitely some big time branding perception involved here and it's driven by the leadership of the LDS as opposed to the athletic department. This isn't about making bowls or ease of scheduling for BYU. Instead, this is about what makes them into a national brand that gets exposure nationally (i.e. ESPN, BYUtv) and overseas. Independence is absolutely better for BYU in that regard compared to joining a Group of Five conference (even with a special Boise State-type revenue deal). A school that can make a go of it as an independent is a "special" brand (and I'm talking about independence by choice as opposed to forced independence a la what happened to the remnants of the WAC temporarily). Even if the athletic department at BYU would want to see them join a conference, the LDS leadership has an entirely different game plan.

The only way that BYU joins a conference is if it's the Big 12. (BYU would love the Pac-12, but political factors within that league would kill that prospect.) There's about as much of a chance of BYU taking a "special deal" with a Gang of 5 conference as there is of Notre Dame doing the same.

I think they would take a special deal with a G-5 conference because they are effectively already doing it. WCC for basketball and a football schedule that has G-5 schools on it. Do you realize BYU plays 6 G-5 schools this year? They play 9 next year. They have 8 more G-5 schools scheduled in 2015. Where's the down side? A special deal would actually upgrade their olympic sports profile, allow a few late season home football games, allow wider access to bowls, allow the retention of their own TV deal, and allow continued flexibility in scheduling. Besides, they would be the only school other than Notre Dame to have such a deal (lol...you know they would like that). They play a number of G-5's anyway---a special deal actually gives them a far better return on those games. What I don't think you will see is BYU actually join a G-5 conference for football.

If by special deal you mean that BYU would stay independent and play a partial G-5 conference schedule, that's possible. However, once again, the LDS itself runs the show at that school. As someone else mentioned, the fact that the WCC almost entirely consists of faith-based schools is a huge plus for BYU and a huge reason why BYU ultimately selected to go there. The LDS sees reaching out to other Christian denominations as an important goal, which the WCC plays into. Plus, the WCC actually provides non-BYU content to BYUtv, such as several WCC basketball tournament games. Money isn't a big object to BYU unless you're talking about power conference dollars.

Yes. Im talking about essentially the exact same deal "Notre Dame" has with the ACC. BYU could link itself to either the AAC or the MW in this fashion. BYU would play 4-5 football games vs conference teams and join the league for Olympic sports. BYU would have access to the conference bowl line-up. BYU would continue to be independent (or at least as independent as Notre Dame is) and would continue along with its own ESPN contract. The only media revenue sharing would come from an equal share of conference basketball/Olympic sports revenue.

Not going to happen. BYU isn't going to "retreat" (even with the fig leaf of nominal football independence) because BYU and its supporters would think that makes their side-by-side comparison with Utah less favorable.
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(10-28-2013 07:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This is part of it. There's definitely some big time branding perception involved here and it's driven by the leadership of the LDS as opposed to the athletic department. This isn't about making bowls or ease of scheduling for BYU. Instead, this is about what makes them into a national brand that gets exposure nationally (i.e. ESPN, BYUtv) and overseas. Independence is absolutely better for BYU in that regard compared to joining a Group of Five conference (even with a special Boise State-type revenue deal). A school that can make a go of it as an independent is a "special" brand (and I'm talking about independence by choice as opposed to forced independence a la what happened to the remnants of the WAC temporarily). Even if the athletic department at BYU would want to see them join a conference, the LDS leadership has an entirely different game plan.

The only way that BYU joins a conference is if it's the Big 12. (BYU would love the Pac-12, but political factors within that league would kill that prospect.) There's about as much of a chance of BYU taking a "special deal" with a Gang of 5 conference as there is of Notre Dame doing the same.

I think they would take a special deal with a G-5 conference because they are effectively already doing it. WCC for basketball and a football schedule that has G-5 schools on it. Do you realize BYU plays 6 G-5 schools this year? They play 9 next year. They have 8 more G-5 schools scheduled in 2015. Where's the down side? A special deal would actually upgrade their olympic sports profile, allow a few late season home football games, allow wider access to bowls, allow the retention of their own TV deal, and allow continued flexibility in scheduling. Besides, they would be the only school other than Notre Dame to have such a deal (lol...you know they would like that). They play a number of G-5's anyway---a special deal actually gives them a far better return on those games. What I don't think you will see is BYU actually join a G-5 conference for football.

If by special deal you mean that BYU would stay independent and play a partial G-5 conference schedule, that's possible. However, once again, the LDS itself runs the show at that school. As someone else mentioned, the fact that the WCC almost entirely consists of faith-based schools is a huge plus for BYU and a huge reason why BYU ultimately selected to go there. The LDS sees reaching out to other Christian denominations as an important goal, which the WCC plays into. Plus, the WCC actually provides non-BYU content to BYUtv, such as several WCC basketball tournament games. Money isn't a big object to BYU unless you're talking about power conference dollars.

Yes. Im talking about essentially the exact same deal "Notre Dame" has with the ACC. BYU could link itself to either the AAC or the MW in this fashion. BYU would play 4-5 football games vs conference teams and join the league for Olympic sports. BYU would have access to the conference bowl line-up. BYU would continue to be independent (or at least as independent as Notre Dame is) and would continue along with its own ESPN contract. The only media revenue sharing would come from an equal share of conference basketball/Olympic sports revenue.

Not going to happen. BYU isn't going to "retreat" (even with the fig leaf of nominal football independence) because BYU and its supporters would think that makes their side-by-side comparison with Utah less favorable.

Oh that's right. Nothing says power conference like having 9 G-5 teams on your football schedule--not to mention that WCC Olympic schedule. Just saying....
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(10-28-2013 07:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 07:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think they would take a special deal with a G-5 conference because they are effectively already doing it. WCC for basketball and a football schedule that has G-5 schools on it. Do you realize BYU plays 6 G-5 schools this year? They play 9 next year. They have 8 more G-5 schools scheduled in 2015. Where's the down side? A special deal would actually upgrade their olympic sports profile, allow a few late season home football games, allow wider access to bowls, allow the retention of their own TV deal, and allow continued flexibility in scheduling. Besides, they would be the only school other than Notre Dame to have such a deal (lol...you know they would like that). They play a number of G-5's anyway---a special deal actually gives them a far better return on those games. What I don't think you will see is BYU actually join a G-5 conference for football.

If by special deal you mean that BYU would stay independent and play a partial G-5 conference schedule, that's possible. However, once again, the LDS itself runs the show at that school. As someone else mentioned, the fact that the WCC almost entirely consists of faith-based schools is a huge plus for BYU and a huge reason why BYU ultimately selected to go there. The LDS sees reaching out to other Christian denominations as an important goal, which the WCC plays into. Plus, the WCC actually provides non-BYU content to BYUtv, such as several WCC basketball tournament games. Money isn't a big object to BYU unless you're talking about power conference dollars.

Yes. Im talking about essentially the exact same deal "Notre Dame" has with the ACC. BYU could link itself to either the AAC or the MW in this fashion. BYU would play 4-5 football games vs conference teams and join the league for Olympic sports. BYU would have access to the conference bowl line-up. BYU would continue to be independent (or at least as independent as Notre Dame is) and would continue along with its own ESPN contract. The only media revenue sharing would come from an equal share of conference basketball/Olympic sports revenue.

Not going to happen. BYU isn't going to "retreat" (even with the fig leaf of nominal football independence) because BYU and its supporters would think that makes their side-by-side comparison with Utah less favorable.

Oh that's right. Nothing says power conference like having 9 G-5 teams on your football schedule--not to mention that WCC Olympic schedule. Just saying....

Your proposal doesn't put more quality P5 opponents on BYU's FB schedule, so even if BYU did think it's a problem, that doesn't solve it.

MWC Olympic sports are not enough of an improvement over the WCC to outweigh what BYU likes about FB independence and their association with the church affiliated WCC schools. BYU decision makers don't think like ADs at public universities.
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