(10-29-2013 12:36 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 12:25 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 08:26 PM)ToledoMike Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:23 PM)DSV27 Wrote:  

(10-27-2013 10:26 AM)owen Wrote:  Aren't Lynch and Wenning really the difference between us and those other West division teams?

Isn't that the truth.. Cant' remember he last MAC champ that didn't have the best undisputed QB int he league.

Seemed right to me as well, so I took it on myself to check this out a bit. When you look back over the list, we have had some crazy good QB's in this conference. Undisputed best QB's for a given year with a MACC are likely Leftwich, Pennington, Roethlisberger, LeFevour, Harnish, and Lynch. Dysert had the better throwing stats last year, but Lynch is obviously the better overall QB with his ability to run. Beyond just a QB, these teams were were arguably stacked at other positions as well and many were ranked at the end of their year.

However, the undisputed best QB didn't always win the MACC in all cases. Winning is obviously reason to dispute, but if you go by the stats and general consensus, it wasn't always the case.

Miami in 2010 was likely the best example. They won mostly that year with good defense. Austin Boucher replaced Dysert halfway through the year and they won mostly by stopping other teams. Ryan Radcliff, Chandler Harnish, or Alex Carder were the best QB's that year.

Buffalo won in 2008 with Drew Willy, but it was against Nate Davis and #12 Ball State. Nate Davis was considered the 2nd coming that year. *Folks from Buffalo may dispute this because Willy was one hell of a QB...I don't argue either, but went with the stats and the hype I recall from that year.

Akron in 2005, had a good QB (Luke Getsy) with the best stats in the MAC, but only ended up at 7-6 after a bowl loss. I am not sure folks considered him the best, but he proved us otherwise. They beat a young Chandler Harnish in the MACC. Josh Betts from Miami, Kent Smith from CMU, and Gradkowski were likely better QB's overall that year IMHO. I am still asking myself how Akron won the MACC that year. This should have been another Toledo win with Gradkowski, but we had 5 TO's against NIU and they went to the MACC instead of us

2004 Toledo won with Bruce, but Omar Jacobs from BG had more yards, TDs, and less INTs (I still think Grad was better LOL)

Who will be next?

Harnish was in HS in 2005, the NIU QB's that year were Horvath and Nicholson. NIU would have been a 500 team without Wolfe that year.

And in 2003 NIU would have been .500 without Michael turner and p.j fleck.... Okay minus p.j. Fleck NIU has built their legacy on running the ball. Harnish and Lynch played a different position but still carved up D's.

2005 I agree with, but 2003 not true. NIU had two very good receivers in Sheldon and Fleck. Haldi proved he could throw the ball to win games. You also realize, Turners back-ups ended up being all-conference and then all-everything Wolfe, right?

NIU had a strong defense until they got banged up as well. You don't beat three AQ schools because of one player.

NIU made a name for itself by focusing on the trenches. They've been able to run the ball due to strong line play and finding underevaluated talent in the back field. Turner, Lynch, and Harnish all had one offer. Wolfe had personality issues, so he was overlooked.

I think NIU receivers kind of get forgotten about because the run game has always been strong.

(10-29-2013 12:25 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 08:26 PM)ToledoMike Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 03:23 PM)DSV27 Wrote:  

(10-27-2013 10:26 AM)owen Wrote:  Aren't Lynch and Wenning really the difference between us and those other West division teams?

Isn't that the truth.. Cant' remember he last MAC champ that didn't have the best undisputed QB int he league.

Seemed right to me as well, so I took it on myself to check this out a bit. When you look back over the list, we have had some crazy good QB's in this conference. Undisputed best QB's for a given year with a MACC are likely Leftwich, Pennington, Roethlisberger, LeFevour, Harnish, and Lynch. Dysert had the better throwing stats last year, but Lynch is obviously the better overall QB with his ability to run. Beyond just a QB, these teams were were arguably stacked at other positions as well and many were ranked at the end of their year.

However, the undisputed best QB didn't always win the MACC in all cases. Winning is obviously reason to dispute, but if you go by the stats and general consensus, it wasn't always the case.

Miami in 2010 was likely the best example. They won mostly that year with good defense. Austin Boucher replaced Dysert halfway through the year and they won mostly by stopping other teams. Ryan Radcliff, Chandler Harnish, or Alex Carder were the best QB's that year.

Buffalo won in 2008 with Drew Willy, but it was against Nate Davis and #12 Ball State. Nate Davis was considered the 2nd coming that year. *Folks from Buffalo may dispute this because Willy was one hell of a QB...I don't argue either, but went with the stats and the hype I recall from that year.

Akron in 2005, had a good QB (Luke Getsy) with the best stats in the MAC, but only ended up at 7-6 after a bowl loss. I am not sure folks considered him the best, but he proved us otherwise. They beat a young Chandler Harnish in the MACC. Josh Betts from Miami, Kent Smith from CMU, and Gradkowski were likely better QB's overall that year IMHO. I am still asking myself how Akron won the MACC that year. This should have been another Toledo win with Gradkowski, but we had 5 TO's against NIU and they went to the MACC instead of us

2004 Toledo won with Bruce, but Omar Jacobs from BG had more yards, TDs, and less INTs (I still think Grad was better LOL)

Who will be next?

Harnish was in HS in 2005, the NIU QB's that year were Horvath and Nicholson. NIU would have been a 500 team without Wolfe that year.

Haha Harnish played at NIU from 2005-2011. Longest tenured college player in history.