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Dear Optimist,
First of all, you and others on this board that keep thinking somehow the MAC is going to be like the bigger conferences in the country. It is not, and never will be. You can be proud of your individual school, and even support the MAC in bowl games, basketball tournaments, and other national championships. That is all well and good, but don't pump yourselves up with this nonsense of how we want to improve the league because your school is doing well in football.
When was the last time Northern Illinois was even in the NCAA Basketball Tournament? I can say the same thing about how they are dragging the conference down with their basketball team. Only scoring four points in a half, last year!
Like I said before, what goes around, comes around. You'll find yourselves in the bottom, and when that happens, I'll be the first to remind you.
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(10-29-2013 12:13 AM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 10:27 PM)niudos Wrote:  Akrons IPF was the best in the MAC, but now it is the Chessick Center at NIU. The Chessick Practice Center may be the best in the country. It was just completed a couple days ago. It is a 120yds and along with the Yordan Center has put NIU at the top of the MAC! The Yordan Center houses the team.

What's it's seating capacity? How many video screens does it have? Does it have a concession stand? How many weight rooms does it have? Does it have an indoor golf driving range with an electronic training suite? Will NFL teams use it to practice when they're in town to play the Bears? Will it host MAC and Big East indoor track championships, and international wrestling tournaments?

Akron's is still better. Your's has a full-size competition track where our's does not and bleacher seats for fans to watch. Our weight room is in the Yordon Center. There was no need for another weight room in the Chessick.
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Akron's is better for sure, but NIU's ain't too shabby either.
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(10-29-2013 07:31 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  That is all well and good, but don't pump yourselves up with this nonsense of how we want to improve the league because your school is doing well in football.
When was the last time Northern Illinois was even in the NCAA Basketball Tournament? I can say the same thing about how they are dragging the conference down with their basketball team. Only scoring four points in a half, last year!

NIU was last in the NCAA in 1996, only two years prior to EMU's last appearance. Either way, both schools suck at basketball.
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Dear epasnoopy,
Eastern has been to the dance many more times than Northern, and our team this year will challenge for the MAC West, yours won't.
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(10-29-2013 07:31 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Optimist,
First of all, you and others on this board that keep thinking somehow the MAC is going to be like the bigger conferences in the country. It is not, and never will be. You can be proud of your individual school, and even support the MAC in bowl games, basketball tournaments, and other national championships. That is all well and good, but don't pump yourselves up with this nonsense of how we want to improve the league because your school is doing well in football.
When was the last time Northern Illinois was even in the NCAA Basketball Tournament? I can say the same thing about how they are dragging the conference down with their basketball team. Only scoring four points in a half, last year!
Like I said before, what goes around, comes around. You'll find yourselves in the bottom, and when that happens, I'll be the first to remind you.
Dear Ken Barna,

Just because the school you support is a community college level program that does not mean that the rest of the conference is not capable of a higher level of play. I find your post very telling. You do not believe the MAC has any potential. I see great potential for the majority of this conference.
You said it yourself... You believe the MAC is at the height of its greatness and that a community college fits in at this level of play.
I find it very funny that you think I only want to improve this conference because my school is good at football.. As many here have pointed out, my school has not won a conference championship in football in many years. My schools play on the football field has very little correlation to my support for kicking out the community college among an otherwise fine group of higher education institutions.
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What potential do you see for the MAC? Given the present membership, the most I see out of us is about five bowls (and an occasional CFP appearance), two (occasionally three) basketball bids, and semi-frequent NCAA championship runs for some of our Olympic sports (i.e. Akron soccer, Kent State baseball, Miami hockey). We will never be an AQ conference, we'll never average 30,000 attendance per game (weeknight games will take care of that), and we'll never make AQ money off our TV contract. Yet despite us being "burdened" by a community college program, we'll have five bowls, we've had teams make championship runs, our TV deal is poised to shoot up, and we still have the potential of getting basketball back to the nineties. The only thing getting rid of EMU would do is prevent Wal Mart Wolverines from making fun of the MAC when they see a few thousand people in Rynearson.
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Dear Optimist,
I find it very telling that you still want to stay in a league that is at the community college level. You talk about higher level of play? That involves many things. Playing better competition is one, and then beating the better competition. Having stadiums that fit playing with the big boys. That would mean conference members increasing the capacity of their individual stadiums to 40,000 or more for football, and 10,000-15,000 for basketball. For almost all MAC schools that is not going to happen. Example: Northern Illinois is averaging 22,000 for football this year and that is after three years in a row of a top team in the league. If they cannot have sellouts after three years of championship football, where is all the greatness going to come from as you suggest?
I don't know how you think the MAC can be anything but what it is. Occasionally having a good team or two beat a bigger school, or advance a few rounds in the dance, but you are living in a dream world if you think it is going to get any better than that. Also, if I knew what school you came from I might be able to drop some comments about your school.
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(10-29-2013 10:05 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Optimist,
I find it very telling that you still want to stay in a league that is at the community college level. You talk about higher level of play? That involves many things. Playing better competition is one, and then beating the better competition. Having stadiums that fit playing with the big boys. That would mean conference members increasing the capacity of their individual stadiums to 40,000 or more for football, and 10,000-15,000 for basketball. For almost all MAC schools that is not going to happen. Example: Northern Illinois is averaging 22,000 for football this year and that is after three years in a row of a top team in the league. If they cannot have sellouts after three years of championship football, where is all the greatness going to come from as you suggest?
I don't know how you think the MAC can be anything but what it is. Occasionally having a good team or two beat a bigger school, or advance a few rounds in the dance, but you are living in a dream world if you think it is going to get any better than that. Also, if I knew what school you came from I might be able to drop some comments about your school.

We sold out our first two games. It's not our fault less people wanted to come see Eastern Michigan.
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Dear niusfactuary,
Obviously you don't get it either. What about all of your other home games in the last three years? Eastern is not responsible for people showing for your home games. I was trying to show Optimist and others, that thinking the MAC is going to be with the big boys is a pipe dream. If, your school is one of the best and can only show an average of 22,000 a game, and I don't care who they are playing, the big time is never going to happen for the MAC.
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(10-29-2013 09:56 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  What potential do you see for the MAC? Given the present membership, the most I see out of us is about five bowls (and an occasional CFP appearance), two (occasionally three) basketball bids, and semi-frequent NCAA championship runs for some of our Olympic sports (i.e. Akron soccer, Kent State baseball, Miami hockey). We will never be an AQ conference, we'll never average 30,000 attendance per game (weeknight games will take care of that), and we'll never make AQ money off our TV contract. Yet despite us being "burdened" by a community college program, we'll have five bowls, we've had teams make championship runs, our TV deal is poised to shoot up, and we still have the potential of getting basketball back to the nineties. The only thing getting rid of EMU would do is prevent Wal Mart Wolverines from making fun of the MAC when they see a few thousand people in Rynearson.

That's enough for me. Get it done.
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Warde Manual focused on making UB something other than a joke in the conference and it worked. We are not a top program yet but Buffalo is no longer the bottom feeder content with 15K in attendance.

Danny White comes in and is looking at the infrastructure.

Talk to me a year ago about Buffalo's potential and I would say we are about as good as we ever get until the Bills leave. White has changed my perception.

Hard work on facilities and relations now will bare fruits later. Buffalo is giving away some ticket.... ok *a lot of tickets* but its being done to get people to the stadium, the concerts, the tailgate, and games so that the culture in Buffalo (particularly the northern suburbs) changes to include UB football.

I can see UB setting 25K as a floor for attendance (on weekend games). As it is UB has had two or three franchise top 10 crowds this season. Only the Army (2008) and Syracuse (?) game stand out above what's been done this season.

I don't want UB to move to the AAC but I'd like the MAC to be at that level top to bottom..
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(10-29-2013 07:31 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Optimist,
First of all, you and others on this board that keep thinking somehow the MAC is going to be like the bigger conferences in the country. It is not, and never will be. You can be proud of your individual school, and even support the MAC in bowl games, basketball tournaments, and other national championships. That is all well and good, but don't pump yourselves up with this nonsense of how we want to improve the league because your school is doing well in football.

Thats not totally correct Ken, you should go an read some of the threads on the AAC Board. The act like that all of the time.07-coffee3
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The MAC doesn't need bigger stadiums, it just needs to fill the one we have. The current avg capacity for a MAC stadium, not counting UMass, is 26,739. Our current avg attendance is 18,533. As a conference we have an avg opportunity of 8,206 for 100% capacity. If we set the goal at an avg attendance of 90% capacity it would be an opportunity of 5,532. That's not an unreasonable number.
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(10-29-2013 11:37 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The MAC doesn't need bigger stadiums, it just needs to fill the one we have. The current avg capacity for a MAC stadium, not counting UMass, is 26,739. Our current avg attendance is 18,533. As a conference we have an avg opportunity of 8,206 for 100% capacity. If we set the goal at an avg attendance of 90% capacity it would be an opportunity of 5,532. That's not an unreasonable number.

This!

Buffalo's needs to be fixed to have batter sight lines but 30-35K should be good enough for any MAC team. Heck many the schools in the AAC are lucky to draw 30K every game.

I'd take a packed well laid out 30K stadium over 35K in a seemingly empty NFL sized stadium any day.
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Perimeterpost wrote: The MAC doesn't need bigger stadiums, it just needs to fill the one we have. The current avg capacity for a MAC stadium, not counting UMass, is 26,739. Our current avg attendance is 18,533. As a conference we have an avg opportunity of 8,206 for 100% capacity. If we set the goal at an avg attendance of 90% capacity it would be an opportunity of 5,532. That's not an unreasonable number.

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eCK: Totally agree! In fact, some MAC stadiums like Miami used to have more capacity (due to the then NCAA attendance requirements "game") and when the stadium was renovated, better stands and amenities were added (including Cradle of Coach's plaza) and capacity was reduced by the removal of one set of crummy steel endzone bleachers. Now, instead of 30K capacity is 24.2K and I'd be pleased as punch if we could fill it once in awhile.....we did have two crowds over 20K already this year but with our "oh fer" record the crowds the last two home games will struggle to hit 10K.
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(10-29-2013 01:08 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Perimeterpost wrote: The MAC doesn't need bigger stadiums, it just needs to fill the one we have. The current avg capacity for a MAC stadium, not counting UMass, is 26,739. Our current avg attendance is 18,533. As a conference we have an avg opportunity of 8,206 for 100% capacity. If we set the goal at an avg attendance of 90% capacity it would be an opportunity of 5,532. That's not an unreasonable number.

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eCK: Totally agree! In fact, some MAC stadiums like Miami used to have more capacity (due to the then NCAA attendance requirements "game") and when the stadium was renovated, better stands and amenities were added (including Cradle of Coach's plaza) and capacity was reduced by the removal of one set of crummy steel endzone bleachers. Now, instead of 30K capacity is 24.2K and I'd be pleased as punch if we could fill it once in awhile.....we did have two crowds over 20K already this year but with our "oh fer" record the crowds the last two home games will struggle to hit 10K.

The ironic thing is that while the expansion was unnecessary in the long run, it was still appropriate for our program at the time. We were drawing big crowds in the late nineties/early 2000's, so much so that most crowds from 2003 wouldn't be able to fit in present Yager. Right as we downsized, we started getting crappy under Montgomery.
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True, L and H...we did have 30K or so once or twice back in those year when our stadium seated that many. Funny thing is that although we set the all time attendance record (per game) in Big Ben's senior year with an average of 25K plus, not one of our games that year made the top 10 all time home crowds.......so every game that year must've been between 25K and 26K.

Top 10 Miami home crowds of all time:

30,087 Marshall 1999
29,027 Marshall 1997
28,230 W. Michigan * 1983
28,012 N. Illinois 1983
27,884 Bowling Green 1991
27,840 C. Michigan 1986
27,702 Cincinnati 1997
27,382 Ohio 1987
26,981 Ohio 1985
26,274 Cincinnati 1992

* opening day of Yager Stadium w then stated capacity of 25,183. Not exactly which years we had capacity of 30K.....I'm guessing mid to late 90's thru 2004 when renovations were made to "right-size" to 24.2K with Cradle Plaza and new away and endzone stands.
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(10-29-2013 08:57 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear epasnoopy,
Eastern has been to the dance many more times than Northern, and our team this year will challenge for the MAC West, yours won't.

NIU has been to the NCAA 3 times, EMU 4 times. Is that the many more times you were talking about?
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(10-29-2013 04:00 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(10-29-2013 08:57 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear epasnoopy,
Eastern has been to the dance many more times than Northern, and our team this year will challenge for the MAC West, yours won't.

NIU has been to the NCAA 3 times, EMU 4 times. Is that the many more times you were talking about?

Well to be fair he did not say "how many"...

Hey together you have been there 7 times more than Buffalo

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