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RE: MAC Attendance- Through Week 9
Ive seen threads about dumping UMass. Just looking at these numbers, it would seem that E Michigan is the one that should be the subject of those type threads. It doesn't look like they are even trying anymore. If EMU dropped to FCS it might be a win for both the school and conference. Split the BCS money just 12 ways for 1 million a school. Increase the avg attendance numbers and the SOS within the conference in one move. EMU probably enjoys more success and cuts their costs dramatically. I'm an outsider, so there's probably dynamics at work I don't get---but the situation reminds me a lot of the way Temple was in the old Big East.
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(10-28-2013 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ive seen threads about dumping UMass. Just looking at these numbers, it would seem that E Michigan is the one that should be the subject of those type threads. It doesn't look like they are even trying anymore. If EMU dropped to FCS it might be a win for both the school and conference. Split the BCS money just 12 ways for 1 million a school. Increase the avg attendance numbers and the SOS within the conference in one move. EMU probably enjoys more success and cuts their costs dramatically. I'm an outsider, so there's probably dynamics at work I don't get---but the situation reminds me a lot of the way Temple was in the old Big East.

The MAC still has to give us the ultimatum and 2 year warning to become a member for all sports or UMass can leave.

The decision to be dumped is pretty much up to UMass. Go MAC for all sports, or split. And a lot can happen in two years. It's ample time to prepare the school either way.

We've worked hard to get attendance up this year. The next two games are going to be tough, but hopefully the weather stays nice.

I'd like to see what happens in regards to the 10 FBS conferences splintering off with their own rules.

That could determine what UMass does.

UMass needs to be on an even playing field for basketball recruiting with BC, UConn, 'Cuse, etc...
So if we have to go MAC for all sports to offer the rumored stipend, then that's what we need to do.

Seems like a lot of the MAC fans on this board who have a "friend of a friend" who works for their athletic department are inclined to believe that UMass will be receiving the ultimatum at the end of this football season.
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(10-28-2013 12:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ive seen threads about dumping UMass. Just looking at these numbers, it would seem that E Michigan is the one that should be the subject of those type threads. It doesn't look like they are even trying anymore. If EMU dropped to FCS it might be a win for both the school and conference. Split the BCS money just 12 ways for 1 million a school. Increase the avg attendance numbers and the SOS within the conference in one move. EMU probably enjoys more success and cuts their costs dramatically. I'm an outsider, so there's probably dynamics at work I don't get---but the situation reminds me a lot of the way Temple was in the old Big East.

I disagree completely.

EMU is really good in sports like women's diving and men's table tennis. Not to mention EMU is one of the strongest academic schools on the MAC

If anything, we should give EMU a bigger cut of the money since they represent this conference so well. Maybe we can add a MAC revenue sharing bonus for the number of students who commute to a campus from Detroit?
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Gentlemen.
Sorry, Eastern isn't going anywhere. As much as some of you may want it, it isn't going to happen. I'm always amused when these statements are made, why people always pick on the schools whose football programs are not doing well. Totally ignoring the fact that their own schools don't do well in any other sport in that they participate. That includes basketball, baseball, track, swimming, whatever.
Just remember what comes around goes around. It's convenient to forget that just a few tears ago some of the schools that are doing well in football now, weren't so red hot. And I'll be here to remind you when your school falls from grace.
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Good point Ken Barna,

Maybe some MAC schools want to hold Eastern around because they aren't going anywhere. No matter how bad things get at any MAC school, they still won't fall to Eastern's sad state of affairs. By keeping the Eagles around, it gives everyone the classic "hey, we aren't as bad as those guys" which acts like a safety net if any MAC program falls off.
No one in the MAC has any risk of being held to any sort of standard while Eastern is still around.
While this may reassure some of you that your program is safe, I find this to be a sad reflection on what exactly some are shooting for around here. Improving the MAC would be a lot easier if everyone was committed to it.
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(10-28-2013 06:21 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Good point Ken Barna,

Maybe some MAC schools want to hold Eastern around because they aren't going anywhere. No matter how bad things get at any MAC school, they still won't fall to Eastern's sad state of affairs. By keeping the Eagles around, it gives everyone the classic "hey, we aren't as bad as those guys" which acts like a safety net if any MAC program falls off.
No one in the MAC has any risk of being held to any sort of standard while Eastern is still around.
While this may reassure some of you that your program is safe, I find this to be a sad reflection on what exactly some are shooting for around here. Improving the MAC would be a lot easier if everyone was committed to it.

It wouldn't be as bad if EMU would draw more than a high school team every so often.
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(10-28-2013 06:53 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:21 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Good point Ken Barna,

Maybe some MAC schools want to hold Eastern around because they aren't going anywhere. No matter how bad things get at any MAC school, they still won't fall to Eastern's sad state of affairs. By keeping the Eagles around, it gives everyone the classic "hey, we aren't as bad as those guys" which acts like a safety net if any MAC program falls off.
No one in the MAC has any risk of being held to any sort of standard while Eastern is still around.
While this may reassure some of you that your program is safe, I find this to be a sad reflection on what exactly some are shooting for around here. Improving the MAC would be a lot easier if everyone was committed to it.

It wouldn't be as bad if EMU would draw more than a high school team every so often.

EMU needs to bump down to FCS. Its an embarrassment for themselves and the conference. They are plain and simply not running an FBS program right now, and it does not appear realistic that that will change tangibly in the near future. I hope this is being discussed at the MAC offices.
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(10-28-2013 06:21 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Good point Ken Barna,

Maybe some MAC schools want to hold Eastern around because they aren't going anywhere. No matter how bad things get at any MAC school, they still won't fall to Eastern's sad state of affairs. By keeping the Eagles around, it gives everyone the classic "hey, we aren't as bad as those guys" which acts like a safety net if any MAC program falls off.
No one in the MAC has any risk of being held to any sort of standard while Eastern is still around.
While this may reassure some of you that your program is safe, I find this to be a sad reflection on what exactly some are shooting for around here. Improving the MAC would be a lot easier if everyone was committed to it.

You may be on to something here. IMO Arguing about attendance in the MAC is kinda like arguing about being the tallest midget in the Circus*. Although some are much, much worse than others, no program in the MAC has really earned any serious bragging rights when it comes to football attendance----and that is really too bad, because for the most part, the MAC puts a better product on the field than is indicated by the number of fans who show up see them play. For example, NIU, the highest rated football team in the MAC is currently ranked 17th in the BCS yet their ranking for home attendance will probably be somewhere in the 80's and they are one of the better attended programs in the MAC this year!

*(disclaimer: no offense intended to vertically challenged individuals)
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(10-28-2013 07:40 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:21 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Good point Ken Barna,

Maybe some MAC schools want to hold Eastern around because they aren't going anywhere. No matter how bad things get at any MAC school, they still won't fall to Eastern's sad state of affairs. By keeping the Eagles around, it gives everyone the classic "hey, we aren't as bad as those guys" which acts like a safety net if any MAC program falls off.
No one in the MAC has any risk of being held to any sort of standard while Eastern is still around.
While this may reassure some of you that your program is safe, I find this to be a sad reflection on what exactly some are shooting for around here. Improving the MAC would be a lot easier if everyone was committed to it.

You may be on to something here. IMO Arguing about attendance in the MAC is kinda like arguing about being the tallest midget in the Circus*. Although some are much, much worse than others, no program in the MAC has really earned any serious bragging rights when it comes to football attendance----and that is really too bad, because for the most part, the MAC puts a better product on the field than is indicated by the number of fans who show up see them play. For example, NIU, the highest rated football team in the MAC is currently ranked 17th in the BCS yet their ranking for home attendance will probably be somewhere in the 80's and they are one of the better attended programs in the MAC this year!

*(disclaimer: no offense intended to vertically challenged individuals)

80s? We are already at 66k, you think we wont draw more than 24k total over the next 2 games vs Ball State and our last game of the reg season WMU?
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He means ranked #80 of 125 in attendance.
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(10-28-2013 08:04 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 07:40 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:21 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Good point Ken Barna,

Maybe some MAC schools want to hold Eastern around because they aren't going anywhere. No matter how bad things get at any MAC school, they still won't fall to Eastern's sad state of affairs. By keeping the Eagles around, it gives everyone the classic "hey, we aren't as bad as those guys" which acts like a safety net if any MAC program falls off.
No one in the MAC has any risk of being held to any sort of standard while Eastern is still around.
While this may reassure some of you that your program is safe, I find this to be a sad reflection on what exactly some are shooting for around here. Improving the MAC would be a lot easier if everyone was committed to it.

You may be on to something here. IMO Arguing about attendance in the MAC is kinda like arguing about being the tallest midget in the Circus*. Although some are much, much worse than others, no program in the MAC has really earned any serious bragging rights when it comes to football attendance----and that is really too bad, because for the most part, the MAC puts a better product on the field than is indicated by the number of fans who show up see them play. For example, NIU, the highest rated football team in the MAC is currently ranked 17th in the BCS yet their ranking for home attendance will probably be somewhere in the 80's and they are one of the better attended programs in the MAC this year!

*(disclaimer: no offense intended to vertically challenged individuals)

80s? We are already at 66k, you think we wont draw more than 24k total over the next 2 games vs Ball State and our last game of the reg season WMU?

He said attendance ranking, not 80s as in 80,000 fans.
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(10-28-2013 08:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 08:04 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 07:40 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 06:21 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Good point Ken Barna,

Maybe some MAC schools want to hold Eastern around because they aren't going anywhere. No matter how bad things get at any MAC school, they still won't fall to Eastern's sad state of affairs. By keeping the Eagles around, it gives everyone the classic "hey, we aren't as bad as those guys" which acts like a safety net if any MAC program falls off.
No one in the MAC has any risk of being held to any sort of standard while Eastern is still around.
While this may reassure some of you that your program is safe, I find this to be a sad reflection on what exactly some are shooting for around here. Improving the MAC would be a lot easier if everyone was committed to it.

You may be on to something here. IMO Arguing about attendance in the MAC is kinda like arguing about being the tallest midget in the Circus*. Although some are much, much worse than others, no program in the MAC has really earned any serious bragging rights when it comes to football attendance----and that is really too bad, because for the most part, the MAC puts a better product on the field than is indicated by the number of fans who show up see them play. For example, NIU, the highest rated football team in the MAC is currently ranked 17th in the BCS yet their ranking for home attendance will probably be somewhere in the 80's and they are one of the better attended programs in the MAC this year!

*(disclaimer: no offense intended to vertically challenged individuals)

80s? We are already at 66k, you think we wont draw more than 24k total over the next 2 games vs Ball State and our last game of the reg season WMU?

He said attendance ranking, not 80s as in 80,000 fans.

Hell Buffalo is around 70 (sold). Very few MAC teams have an excuse to be below 80 no matter ho badly their season goes (and I say that as a team guilty of that)...
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Akrons IPF was the best in the MAC, but now it is the Chessick Center at NIU. The Chessick Practice Center may be the best in the country. It was just completed a couple days ago. It is a 120yds and along with the Yordan Center has put NIU at the top of the MAC! The Yordan Center houses the team.
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(10-28-2013 10:27 PM)niudos Wrote:  Akrons IPF was the best in the MAC, but now it is the Chessick Center at NIU. The Chessick Practice Center may be the best in the country. It was just completed a couple days ago. It is a 120yds and along with the Yordan Center has put NIU at the top of the MAC! The Yordan Center houses the team.

So how many IPFs have you seen? You need to see more than a couple (and I bet you've only seen pics) to declare something the best in the nation.
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(10-28-2013 10:27 PM)niudos Wrote:  Akrons IPF was the best in the MAC, but now it is the Chessick Center at NIU. The Chessick Practice Center may be the best in the country. It was just completed a couple days ago. It is a 120yds and along with the Yordan Center has put NIU at the top of the MAC! The Yordan Center houses the team.

Yea I'm sure it's better then those they have in the SEC or B1G......
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I have only seen pictures of Akrons stadium, but I am pretty sure its the best in the MAC. Having just went thru the Chessick Center and talked to some recruits, I feel comfortable calling it the best in the MAC and as good as any in the nation!
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Yes, it is better than the Big Ten schools and not sure how many SEC schools even have one.
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(10-28-2013 10:27 PM)niudos Wrote:  Akrons IPF was the best in the MAC, but now it is the Chessick Center at NIU. The Chessick Practice Center may be the best in the country. It was just completed a couple days ago. It is a 120yds and along with the Yordan Center has put NIU at the top of the MAC! The Yordan Center houses the team.

What's it's seating capacity? How many video screens does it have? Does it have a concession stand? How many weight rooms does it have? Does it have an indoor golf driving range with an electronic training suite? Will NFL teams use it to practice when they're in town to play the Bears? Will it host MAC and Big East indoor track championships, and international wrestling tournaments?
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(10-28-2013 11:53 PM)niudos Wrote:  I have only seen pictures of Akrons stadium, but I am pretty sure its the best in the MAC. Having just went thru the Chessick Center and talked to some recruits, I feel comfortable calling it the best in the MAC and as good as any in the nation!

Well that's just like your opinion man.

There are several schools in the mac with excellent indoor facilities that could argue are better than chessick. Wmu and toledo being the only other two I've seen both could be considered nicer.

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Umm I have been to Boise states and it is basically a repurposed Airline hanger. Tall enough for all punts and kicks (unlike Toledo, BG, or WMU) Built in stereo system, Mechanical cranks for camera gear, and 120 yards. That alone makes it better than the other three I have been in because the football functionality of it.

Boise's still is not "nicer" IMO... Toledo's is newer, better turf, below ground cooled, track, sand pit, has a basketball indoor, golf club house, workout room and many other things to make it the FACILITY that it is. IPF is a hard thing to judge... Every school is different, with different needs.

I have heard O$u has multiple IPF's and by the look of it on tv, it is impossible to beat it/them. NIU's is the newest so should be the nicest in the MAC. But to say it is the nicest/ best in the nation is saying a lot...
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