Sir Galahad Wrote:FSU will not play USF, not going to happen. FSU is in talks with UCF, but UCF will not sign a 2 for 1 with them, which is what FSU wants.

Florida State doesn't want to help USF recruiting. South Florida was already recruiting well, but the move to the Big East helps even more. FSU is already battling Miami and Florida for recruits and on the field, no way they want South Florida battling them. Florida State won't help UCF and their recruiting either, or give the image that UCF is "on their level". Florida State, despite their run last year, have been on a downswing as well.

So UCF wont sign a 2-1 with FSU but is willing to do it with Texas. Thats the problem, once you sign a 2-1 with any power team no other will offer you a 1-1. I dont foresee USF playing FSU anytime soon and thats fine with me.
I would much rather play UM in 1-1 deals. Im even hoping that we would cancel those 2-0 games with UF. Those were signed before USF jined BE.

Quote:What the Texas game does is help UCF recruit Texas, something UCF needs to do because we have four conferences brothers in Texas.

I bet that was the same thinking teams like Stanford, UNC, Hawaii, UVA, UCLA, and Rutgers used when they signed 2 for 1's or just home and homes with Texas. As I looked at their rosters over the years, I did not see none of these teams reap the recruiting benefits of playing Texas. I think that is more of a myth than people think. Just because you play a major OOC opponent does not mean you will recruit better in a certain area of the country. Looking at several Texas boards, there was only one thread in regards to UCF and that thread only had 3 post, all three did not even know that UCF was D-1A. They were complaining why Texas would do a 2 for 1 with a D-1AA school. Hope the picture is clear.

I never compared Miami's fan base with UF's nor FSU's. All i was saying is that I rather my school sign 1-1 with UM rather than get 1-0 or 2-1 deals from the other two.
As for the recruiting in Florida, USF could say the same since almost all our recruits are from Florida, But you are fooling yourself if you think USF or UCF can go toe to toe in recruiting with the other three. Yes UCF might get one or two like Kyle Israel which was offered a grayshirt by FSU,and chose UCF's scholarship. Or Carlton Hill which was looked by UM as a receiver and went to the Bulls for a chance at QB.
The facts are that UF,FSU nor Miami have nothing to fear at this point from neither UCF nor USF. As long as the Big East has the automatic bid it will help USF get into more recruits that might pass them by before.

Wether you want to admit or not the Big East BCS bid makes a difference in how teams schedule with UCF and USF.
Right now USF has gotten 1-1 deals with;
Miami twice
North Carolina
Kansas
How many 1-1 deals with BCS teams does UCF have?

Cubanbull Wrote:Wether you want to admit or not the Big East BCS bid makes a difference in how teams schedule with UCF and USF.
Right now USF has gotten 1-1 deals with;
Miami twice
North Carolina
Kansas
How many 1-1 deals with BCS teams does UCF have?

...and there are few more 1-1 deals out there that will likely be finalized over the next 12 months.


It's almost an apples to organges comparison. A 2-for-1 for UCF against Texas is a good deal for them, for USF those deals don't make any sense anymore as a BCS school.

KnightLight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:Wether you want to admit or not the Big East BCS bid makes a difference in how teams schedule with UCF and USF.
Right now USF has gotten 1-1 deals with;

North Carolina
Kansas
How many 1-1 deals with BCS teams doe UCF have?

Did someone just "brag" about getting a home-home with UNC and Kansas...in FOOTBALL?

Wow!! That's almost as impressive as UCF getting a home-home with Purdue years ago...except that Purdue was actually pretty good.

Now...if this was a BASKETBALL home-home...double-congrats!!

KL

slow down KL b/c once again you seem to be forgetting the facts. When Purdue was signed to a home-and-home it was done years in advance when Purdue was a graveyard for coaches and players. UCF got lucky that Purdue turned out not to be a dog by the time it came to fulfill the contract.

As far as UNC & Kansas, they are both BCS schools....something your school wants to desperately obtain....and they have had some recent sucess. UNC in particular has beat some good programs.

Unlike UCF we are comfortable with ourselves and have a REAL VISION on how to get there. That stupid saying, "If all you want is Top25..." is hogwash and no closer to be reality than OLiar teaching a resume class at UCF.


Must suck to punked by your wannabe rival....


Got BCS?

One of the world's greatest inventions is the "ignore" button. With one swift click I can erase any trace of that guru b!tch.

Too bad rivals can't add this functionality....

Great get for USF, no doubt. A win or good showings again Miami will raise their profile in FL immeasurably.

KnightLight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:Wether you want to admit or not the Big East BCS bid makes a difference in how teams schedule with UCF and USF.
Right now USF has gotten 1-1 deals with;

North Carolina
Kansas
How many 1-1 deals with BCS teams doe UCF have?

Did someone just "brag" about getting a home-home with UNC and Kansas...in FOOTBALL?

Wow!! That's almost as impressive as UCF getting a home-home with Purdue years ago...except that Purdue was actually pretty good.

Now...if this was a BASKETBALL home-home...double-congrats!!

KL

I am waiting...... please tell me which BCS schools in football are visiting UCF on a 1-1 deal?
Plus you forget we got Miami on TWO 1-1 deals and i think they are pretty good team.

The UF games were scheduled when we were not BCS. If we scheduled them today then I don't think we would have agreed to the two away games.

BT

Sir Galahad Wrote:

Quote:Wether you want to admit or not the Big East BCS bid makes a difference in how teams schedule with UCF and USF.
Right now USF has gotten 1-1 deals with;
Miami twice
North Carolina
Kansas
How many 1-1 deals with BCS teams does UCF have?

The major difference is most of UCF's current OOC games were scheduled back when UCF was an indy and thus, we have a lot of games that were scheduled out of desperiation and need. USF found how difficult it was to schedule when they were an indy, and that is why they played one game less than all others a couple of years ago.

Just look at UCF's current OOC:

2007:
Florida
Pitt
MTSU
Tennessee
UL-L

2008
Miami
Penn State
Clemson

2009
Wisconsin
Pitt
Texas
Miami

2010
Penn State
Miami

2011
Texas

Now if you notice, as times goes on, there are less OOC games scheduled, but in the beginning, there are too many. Thus, those were done in the Indy days. But I will say this, I would rather UCF play Wisconsin, PSU, Texas, Clemson and Tennessee away, than celebrate having UNC and Kansas come to our house. Its absolutely funny that USF fans think playing Kansas and UNC will do anything for your program.

Why don't you list how many of those game aganist OOC BCS schools are "home or away" from Mickey town.

Sir Galahad Wrote:Who cares when your home games are against Kansas and UNC. If USF were to get any games at home against major BCS teams that UCF has not, I would say, you have done well. But as it is, both UCF and USF will have Miami visit for one home game and UCF will have Texas compared to UNC and Kansas, there really is no comparison.

Hey Einstein:

1 for 1 > 2away for 1 home

and Oh Yeah we turned Texas away for a 2 for 1. ucf = sloppy seconds

Sir Galahad Wrote:

Quote:Hey Einstein:

1 for 1 > 2away for 1 home

and Oh Yeah we turned Texas away for a 2 for 1. ucf = sloppy seconds

I have already covered this, but I will again for you. As it is, USF has a two for one deal with Miami. The 2009 USF vs Miami game at USF is not scheduled yet. The buyout for Miami is $50,000. That same year, UM plays at UCF, where there is a $250,000 buyout and there will also be a game UCF will owe at Miami. Now comes the second "1 for 1" between USF and UM, of which USF asked for, and received a $500,000 buyout. Now why would USF ask for that and UM give it. It is because USF will not see UM at USF in 2009. Look at UM's schedule the past three years and the next two years. UM plays ONE out of conference road game ever year, now they are going to play two just for USF, don't think so.

So cuban, as I have said, until UM actually plays at USF in 2009, its a 2 for 1. lmfao

Nice logic, but as of today, Miami is still scheduled to play at Miami in 2009. So, unless/until Miami announces that they are NOT coming to Tampa in 2009, it's two 1 for 1's. However, I don't expect that to stop you from incessantly bleating about your theory on the Big East message board.

Oh, by the way, here's an impartial site that lists Miami's future schedules. I see two visits to USF listed, including 9/26/2009 in Tampa. Not that this is Gospel, but it's somebody without a raging hard-on for USF who seems to think Miami's coming to Tampa twice...

http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/futur...future.htm

USFFan

Sir Galahad Wrote:

Quote:Oh, by the way, here's an impartial site that lists Miami's future schedules. I see two visits to USF listed, including 9/26/2009 in Tampa. Not that this is Gospel, but it's somebody without a raging hard-on for USF who seems to think Miami's coming to Tampa twice...

OH, you mean the same site that lists UCF going to Tennessee in 2007, or MTSU coming to UCF in 2007, or USF going to UF in 2010 and 2011.

Oh and if you still want to bash UCF for a 2 for 1 with Texas, maybe you should know that Cincy signed a 2 for 1 with Georgia.

I haven't once bashed UCF for the 2 for 1 with Texas. If it's something that makes your fan base happy, I'm happy for you. I just don't like watching you crap all over USF every chance you get when it's quite often not well reasoned and always slanted.

It also argues against your theory that no date was ever set for the Miami game in Tampa.

USFFan

Who cares what UCF is doing? This is the BEast, not CUSA. If I wanted to read about UCF I would go to the CUSA BBS.

LOL
You guys are somethingelse. well keep crowing about going away and getting your brains beat out. the FACTS are that UCF does NOT have ANY BCS 1-1 deals. Get over it and know you are trying to spin the Miami deal just like other spins you had before like
1. BE is going to lose its BCS bid
2. UCF will beat USF last year.
As for the other dork that states that USF has no top 25 finishes, please tell me when has UCF being a top 25 team? and dont tell me 1AA because USF has been top 25 in 1AA. And the no Bowl wins, has UCF won one yet?
Facts are
USF is in a BCS league UCF is NOT
USF has 1-1 deals with BCS teams UCF does NOT
USF beat the crap out of your team last year.

USF, UM Finalize Series
Skip directly to the full story.
By BRETT McMURPHY bmcmurphy@tampatrib.com

Published: May 11, 2006



TAMPA - Even before the first home-and-home series between the University of South Florida and Miami was completed, the Bulls and Hurricanes already have agreed to another home-and-home series in 2012 and 2013.

Besides adding two games with Miami, the Bulls also gained another national TV game this fall. USF's road game at Cincinnati was moved to 8 p.m. Sunday, Oct. 22, and will be televised by ESPN.

USF, which lost at Miami last season, hosts the Hurricanes in the return game Sept. 26, 2009, at Raymond James Stadium. In 2012, USF will visit Miami and in 2013, Miami returns to Tampa.

The addition of Miami in 2012 and 2013 gives the Bulls at least one game against the state's original Big Three schools for five consecutive years starting in 2009. USF visits Florida in 2010 and 2011.

Last month at the Greater Tampa Hurricane Club meeting, Miami coach Larry Coker said USF is an attractive opponent for the 'Canes. "Especially with the addition of a 12th game," Coker said.

The 2009 game has been scheduled already for Sept 26, but kkep spinning.

bitcruncher Wrote:Who cares what UCF is doing? This is the BEast, not CUSA. If I wanted to read about UCF I would go to the CUSA BBS.

My sentiments exactly. lmfao

Cubanbull Wrote:USF, UM Finalize Series
Skip directly to the full story.
By BRETT McMURPHY bmcmurphy@tampatrib.com

Published: May 11, 2006



TAMPA - Even before the first home-and-home series between the University of South Florida and Miami was completed, the Bulls and Hurricanes already have agreed to another home-and-home series in 2012 and 2013.

Besides adding two games with Miami, the Bulls also gained another national TV game this fall. USF's road game at Cincinnati was moved to 8 p.m. Sunday, Oct. 22, and will be televised by ESPN.

USF, which lost at Miami last season, hosts the Hurricanes in the return game Sept. 26, 2009, at Raymond James Stadium. In 2012, USF will visit Miami and in 2013, Miami returns to Tampa.

The addition of Miami in 2012 and 2013 gives the Bulls at least one game against the state's original Big Three schools for five consecutive years starting in 2009. USF visits Florida in 2010 and 2011.

Last month at the Greater Tampa Hurricane Club meeting, Miami coach Larry Coker said USF is an attractive opponent for the 'Canes. "Especially with the addition of a 12th game," Coker said.

The 2009 game has been scheduled already for Sept 26, but kkep spinning.

You know what's interesting? When confronted with actual evidence that he was talking out of his rear end, he deletes his posts and ignores the thread...

USFFan