Somewhere I heard that Aledo first teamers only played 21 snaps and they only attempted 10 passes for the entire game. As someone else stated - the losing coach didn't seem upset with the way the game was handled. If I were on the losing end like this, it would bother me more to see the opposing team kneel.

Aledo should only be embarassed if they recruit players.

Otherwise, those young men work hard, and deserve to be rewarded for it.

I've been on the losing end of some routs. As long as they pull their starters, I really don't care what they do. I remember when I was a second or third teamer. If we got into the game, we wanted to execute the game plan, not kneel it out. As long as you clear your bench, whatever else happens is pretty much okay with me. Now, if you're up big and leave all your starters in, that's another story.

That's the rule that seemed fair when I was on the wrong side of those routs. Now that I get a chance to be on the other side, same rule seems fair to me.

If the league wanted to do something, then put in something like the run rule. Up by 50 in the 3rd quarter, game over. Up by 40 in the 4th quarter, game over.

I think I'd rather lose 84-0 than have a game called early. The coach could always pull a Florida International and call for a running clock.

Aledo is not quite in the middle of nowhere, but it's a small town still out in the country... it may eventually be swallowed up by Fort Worth as a suburb, but not yet. One of the most successful coaches (former QB at UT) in high school 10 years ago or so was highly sought after, at leas partly because of his proven recruiting prowess at the high school level.

"Mom" should put her efforts into finding a new coach for her school in Fort Worth, as that may be the best way to reduce scores moving forward.

On this topic, my wife and I watched a movie about a school in Memphis ... "Undefeated" about turning around a school that had gone been pretty horrible into a team that finishes up 9-2. It's available on Netflix.

(10-23-2013 07:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've been on the losing end of some routs. As long as they pull their starters, I really don't care what they do. I remember when I was a second or third teamer. If we got into the game, we wanted to execute the game plan, not kneel it out. As long as you clear your bench, whatever else happens is pretty much okay with me. Now, if you're up big and leave all your starters in, that's another story.

John Jenkins is probably the case study in douchebaggery for how to gracelessly handle a mismatch.

(10-23-2013 05:40 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Where does it say in the original story that the complaint was filed by a woman?

Our local high school won 67-0 or something like that to Northbrook a couple of weeks back. There are some horrible HISD football teams and schools that are just out of the HISD attendance zone like Northbrook. The score itself wasn't the main deal to me as our coach did a great job of emptying his bench and keeping the score down (one thing he did was not send any punt returners downfield on Northbrook's numerous punts).

The biggest deal to me was the roster size. Northbrook looked like they had 30 players total. They also had too many overweight players (several on the line looked about 5-8, 250 and could barely move). I just wonder if schools like that should consider dropping football and concentrate on sports where the roster size issue wouldn't be as big of a concern because they did appear to have a few kids who looked like good athletes.

I also think the high school governing bodies shouldn't move down schools like Aledo who might not have the overall enrollment numbers, but obviously are stacked in athletics compared to the other local schools in Fort Worth.

There isn't much good coming out of HISD anyways. We played several HISD schools during the season coming out or Cypress and those schools lacked equipment even.

GMA is discussing the case. Third stringers in before halftime, ran the clock off for the duration of the game. The consensus is that Aledo did the right thing.

I tell kids that there will be times where the other team is far stronger. There are some things the kids can control and some things they can't ... how good your teammates are or how good the other team is - that's outside of your control. The effort that you put in and lessons that you can learn should then be the focus of the game, not the final score. The worst thing the losing team could do is shut down when the score gets out of hand, but they could still learn a lot from the rest of the game, just as if the final score were 17-16.

Of course there's the other side of the coin, where a coach gets under fire for trying their hardest to score late in a mismatch. The coach of the losing team, that is...

Oregon's Nick Aliotti apologizes to Mike Leach, fined by Pac-12 anyway - CBSSports.com

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...mike-leach Wrote:"I'd like to apologize to Mike Leach and [Washington State athletic director] Bill Moos, Washington State and its fans, and Oregon and our fans."

Aliotti was upset with Leach for keeping his starters in during the fourth quarter of a game Washington State trailed 62-24 at the time. The Cougars would keep passing -- Connor Halliday set an NCAA record with 89 pass attempts -- and would score two touchdowns late against Oregon's reserves. Which drew the ire of Aliotti.

"That's total bull**** that he threw the ball at the end of the game like he did," Aliotti said after the game. "And you can print that and you can send it to him, and he can comment, too. I think it's low class and it's bull**** to throw the ball when the game is completely over against our kids that are basically our scout team."

(10-23-2013 08:01 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Aledo is not quite in the middle of nowhere, but it's a small town still out in the country... it may eventually be swallowed up by Fort Worth as a suburb, but not yet. One of the most successful coaches (former QB at UT) in high school 10 years ago or so was highly sought after, at leas partly because of his proven recruiting prowess at the high school level.

Well if Aledo is recruiting then their coach is lying and he's not embarassed at all. Let the talent be distributed as is normal, then coach the players.

Otherwise you're just talking about a few all-star teams around the state.

Ohio is seeing proposals to address this matter, but unfortunately they're not getting passed, b/c the last two I saw seemed pretty reasonable.

It's odd how we look at the difference between schools when it comes to football but not when it comes to grades or graduation. Football is a sport where you build character when you either win or lose.

(10-23-2013 08:36 AM)I45owl Wrote:  GMA is discussing the case. Third stringers in before halftime, ran the clock off for the duration of the game. The consensus is that Aledo did the right thing.

I tell kids that there will be times where the other team is far stronger. There are some things the kids can control and some things they can't ... how good your teammates are or how good the other team is - that's outside of your control. The effort that you put in and lessons that you can learn should then be the focus of the game, not the final score. The worst thing the losing team could do is shut down when the score gets out of hand, but they could still learn a lot from the rest of the game, just as if the final score were 17-16.

Of course there's the other side of the coin, where a coach gets under fire for trying their hardest to score late in a mismatch. The coach of the losing team, that is...

Oregon's Nick Aliotti apologizes to Mike Leach, fined by Pac-12 anyway - CBSSports.com

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...mike-leach Wrote:"I'd like to apologize to Mike Leach and [Washington State athletic director] Bill Moos, Washington State and its fans, and Oregon and our fans."

Aliotti was upset with Leach for keeping his starters in during the fourth quarter of a game Washington State trailed 62-24 at the time. The Cougars would keep passing -- Connor Halliday set an NCAA record with 89 pass attempts -- and would score two touchdowns late against Oregon's reserves. Which drew the ire of Aliotti.

"That's total bull**** that he threw the ball at the end of the game like he did," Aliotti said after the game. "And you can print that and you can send it to him, and he can comment, too. I think it's low class and it's bull**** to throw the ball when the game is completely over against our kids that are basically our scout team."

Mike Leach is a a$$. I saw him at an SMU-Texas Tech game and he showed no class at all.

Tech was up by about 8 points with a minute left. They had the ball on the SMU 10 yard line. Most coaches would have had their QB in the "victory" formation, but Leach kept calling timeouts and throwing into the end zone, just to run up the score.

He is white trash.

(10-23-2013 09:21 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 08:36 AM)I45owl Wrote:  GMA is discussing the case. Third stringers in before halftime, ran the clock off for the duration of the game. The consensus is that Aledo did the right thing.

I tell kids that there will be times where the other team is far stronger. There are some things the kids can control and some things they can't ... how good your teammates are or how good the other team is - that's outside of your control. The effort that you put in and lessons that you can learn should then be the focus of the game, not the final score. The worst thing the losing team could do is shut down when the score gets out of hand, but they could still learn a lot from the rest of the game, just as if the final score were 17-16.

Of course there's the other side of the coin, where a coach gets under fire for trying their hardest to score late in a mismatch. The coach of the losing team, that is...

Oregon's Nick Aliotti apologizes to Mike Leach, fined by Pac-12 anyway - CBSSports.com

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...mike-leach Wrote:"I'd like to apologize to Mike Leach and [Washington State athletic director] Bill Moos, Washington State and its fans, and Oregon and our fans."

Aliotti was upset with Leach for keeping his starters in during the fourth quarter of a game Washington State trailed 62-24 at the time. The Cougars would keep passing -- Connor Halliday set an NCAA record with 89 pass attempts -- and would score two touchdowns late against Oregon's reserves. Which drew the ire of Aliotti.

"That's total bull**** that he threw the ball at the end of the game like he did," Aliotti said after the game. "And you can print that and you can send it to him, and he can comment, too. I think it's low class and it's bull**** to throw the ball when the game is completely over against our kids that are basically our scout team."

Mike Leach is a a$$. I saw him at an SMU-Texas Tech game and he showed no class at all.

Tech was up by about 8 points with a minute left. They had the ball on the SMU 10 yard line. Most coaches would have had their QB in the "victory" formation, but Leach kept calling timeouts and throwing into the end zone, just to run up the score.

He is white trash.

Was it during a year when TTU was in the mix for a BCS bowl? Because voters (especially in the coaches' poll, since they don't have time to watch any games) look at margin of victory. You can't blame the coaches for doing what a ridiculous system incentivizes them to do.

I respect Mike Leach.

(10-23-2013 09:32 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 09:21 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 08:36 AM)I45owl Wrote:  GMA is discussing the case. Third stringers in before halftime, ran the clock off for the duration of the game. The consensus is that Aledo did the right thing.

I tell kids that there will be times where the other team is far stronger. There are some things the kids can control and some things they can't ... how good your teammates are or how good the other team is - that's outside of your control. The effort that you put in and lessons that you can learn should then be the focus of the game, not the final score. The worst thing the losing team could do is shut down when the score gets out of hand, but they could still learn a lot from the rest of the game, just as if the final score were 17-16.

Of course there's the other side of the coin, where a coach gets under fire for trying their hardest to score late in a mismatch. The coach of the losing team, that is...

Oregon's Nick Aliotti apologizes to Mike Leach, fined by Pac-12 anyway - CBSSports.com

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...mike-leach Wrote:"I'd like to apologize to Mike Leach and [Washington State athletic director] Bill Moos, Washington State and its fans, and Oregon and our fans."

Aliotti was upset with Leach for keeping his starters in during the fourth quarter of a game Washington State trailed 62-24 at the time. The Cougars would keep passing -- Connor Halliday set an NCAA record with 89 pass attempts -- and would score two touchdowns late against Oregon's reserves. Which drew the ire of Aliotti.

"That's total bull**** that he threw the ball at the end of the game like he did," Aliotti said after the game. "And you can print that and you can send it to him, and he can comment, too. I think it's low class and it's bull**** to throw the ball when the game is completely over against our kids that are basically our scout team."

Mike Leach is a a$$. I saw him at an SMU-Texas Tech game and he showed no class at all.

Tech was up by about 8 points with a minute left. They had the ball on the SMU 10 yard line. Most coaches would have had their QB in the "victory" formation, but Leach kept calling timeouts and throwing into the end zone, just to run up the score.

He is white trash.

Was it during a year when TTU was in the mix for a BCS bowl? Because voters (especially in the coaches' poll, since they don't have time to watch any games) look at margin of victory. You can't blame the coaches for doing what a ridiculous system incentivizes them to do.

I don't think they were headed to the BCS. Even if they were, a better man would have his QB kneel down and let the clock run out.

As it turned out, Tech didn't score.

(10-23-2013 08:37 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-23-2013 08:01 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Aledo is not quite in the middle of nowhere, but it's a small town still out in the country... it may eventually be swallowed up by Fort Worth as a suburb, but not yet. One of the most successful coaches (former QB at UT) in high school 10 years ago or so was highly sought after, at leas partly because of his proven recruiting prowess at the high school level.

Well if Aledo is recruiting then their coach is lying and he's not embarassed at all. Let the talent be distributed as is normal, then coach the players.

Otherwise you're just talking about a few all-star teams around the state.

Ohio is seeing proposals to address this matter, but unfortunately they're not getting passed, b/c the last two I saw seemed pretty reasonable.

My point about Aledo being in the middle of nowhere is that it's harder to recruit families to move out there. I don't think there's much likelihood that it's a problem. But, it is elsewhere in the state, and Southlake is one of the areas that was growing, a very nice suburb and great place to live, and it probably has happened there. It has been a very big problem in HS basketball here... you don't have the level of competition among parochial schools that you would in the midwest or northeast where recruiting is part of the equation, so here that gets funneled into the public high schools.

(10-23-2013 09:06 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  It's odd how we look at the difference between schools when it comes to football but not when it comes to grades or graduation. Football is a sport where you build character when you either win or lose.

One of the ideas coming from Undefeated that I mentioned above is that football does not build character, it reveals it.

(10-23-2013 09:21 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Mike Leach is a a$$. I saw him at an SMU-Texas Tech game and he showed no class at all.

Tech was up by about 8 points with a minute left. They had the ball on the SMU 10 yard line. Most coaches would have had their QB in the "victory" formation, but Leach kept calling timeouts and throwing into the end zone, just to run up the score.

He is white trash.

You don't write a book titled "Swing your Sword" without being an a$$. But, you probably just sore because young James got locked in a closet.

(10-23-2013 10:12 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I don't think they were headed to the BCS. Even if they were, a better man would have his QB kneel down and let the clock run out.

As it turned out, Tech didn't score.

By way of contrast, Rice has scored every time they have been in the red zone this year, except once. Rice had the ball on the New Mexico State 13 yard line with about 90 seconds to go, up 45-19 and then ran out the clock. It's kind of a no-brainer, but I'd rather have seen the Owls give it up on downs after getting to the 24. NMSU may be the worst college football team I've ever seen (at least after reaching puberty... I remember seeing The Citadel and Montana State play at the Air Force Academy back in the 1970s, and I have no idea how good or bad they were).

LSU can be up 3 points with 90 seconds left, inside the 5 yard line after a punt return, and kneel the stinking ball.

(10-23-2013 11:13 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  LSU can be up 3 points with 90 seconds left, inside the 5 yard line after a punt return, and kneel the stinking ball.

It's probably more important to do it then than when you're up by > 21 points.

It seems like about 2 years ago, there was a spate of runners sliding down at the 3 yard line because the defense pulled the red sea approach trying to get their team the ball back.