(10-22-2013 02:17 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 02:10 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 02:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 01:45 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 01:38 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Like I said, we're all bigots fighting for or against things. I just so happen to be the one fighting to keep things the way they used to be before America was broke(en).

The thing is, one thing or another has always been broken. If we rolled back, something else would become broken.

(10-22-2013 01:45 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  America IS Christianity. We aren't muslim. We never were, that religion belongs to the enemy that suicide bombs us and each other. Muslim is now becoming popular because liberals are forcing the issue down our throats. Unlike some of the posters on here, I come from a time where stores were still closed on Sundays to honor the Sabbath day. Things were so peaceful back then, now everywhere you turn, somebody hisses and protracts his claws when the name of God is mentioned.

Americans are largely Christian, but our government is secular. I'm not that much younger than you, and thing did seem peaceful. But I can't really say that it isn't the effect of growing up that has changed my perception of the world.

You can even ask your parents. Your grand parents. Aunts and Uncles as well. They'll all tell you how much better things were in those days. How often could you say no or disagree with a black person and be called racist when you were growing up? How often did a school get shot up? How many kids got suspended for making a gun shape with their hand or a pencil? How many tickets did you get for not wearing your seatbelt? Or a bike helmet? I mean, there are SO many things that just keep changing and it's pulled the backbone right out of America. An incident happens, people overreact, and a ridiculous law gets put in place for it. Or something doesn't go Billy's way at school and his mommy goes and sues them and claims things are their fault, not her precious innocent Bobby's.

People left everyone alone for the most part, and all was fine. Gays were gay, straights were straight, blacks were blacks, whites were whites,nerds were bullied and dealt with it, and the beat went on. Government was far diluted from what it is now.

Schools shootings are on a downward trend. Same goes for a host of other crime statistics. There are a lot of counterexamples that could be used to make a case for now being better than then.

I can't say I disagree with most of the other things you've posted, however.

It's possible they get taken out of proportion to initiate more gun ban talks. I don't think crimes are falling though, not the major ones. They'll never get better as long as we offer a comfortable cell with food, drink, radio, and television to those who are breaking the law. Increase the sensitivity setting for the death sentence, take away television, telephones, and radios. That's the only way crime is going to fall.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist...xplains-16

"Exposure to lead in childhood supposedly creates more impulsive and violent adults."

That's just silly. Most of the crimes are by adolescent or below 25.


I'm not discounting this llink by any means, but it's coming from Britain. However, this makes quite a lot of sense.

"The crimes to have fallen furthest and in the most places are property crimes, especially car theft and burglary."

(10-22-2013 02:36 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  "Exposure to lead in childhood supposedly creates more impulsive and violent adults."

That's just silly. Most of the crimes are by adolescent or below 25.


I'm not discounting this llink by any means, but it's coming from Britain. However, this makes quite a lot of sense.

"The crimes to have fallen furthest and in the most places are property crimes, especially car theft and burglary."

I didn't get a chance to post a better link, since I was on my way out the door. However, if you do a quick Google search, you should find that most major crime rates are decreasing in the US. From that perspective, things are indeed getting better for us.

(10-22-2013 03:07 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 02:36 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  "Exposure to lead in childhood supposedly creates more impulsive and violent adults."

That's just silly. Most of the crimes are by adolescent or below 25.


I'm not discounting this llink by any means, but it's coming from Britain. However, this makes quite a lot of sense.

"The crimes to have fallen furthest and in the most places are property crimes, especially car theft and burglary."

I didn't get a chance to post a better link, since I was on my way out the door. However, if you do a quick Google search, you should find that most major crime rates are decreasing in the US. From that perspective, things are indeed getting better for us.

I'll go with it... But reducing the pleasures and accomodations within a prison facility need to be greatly decreased to put crime at an even more decreased stat.

AS people get older there is always the notion that things were better in the old days. The reality however, at least in the last generation. is that in the old days, schools were segregated, minorities were discriminated against, and little opportunited were afforded to those who were in poverty.

I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that things were better in the old days unless of course they believe that those things I mentioned were good.

(10-22-2013 03:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  AS people get older there is always the notion that things were better in the old days. The reality however, at least in the last generation. is that in the old days, schools were segregated, minorities were discriminated against, and little opportunited were afforded to those who were in poverty.

I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that things were better in the old days unless of course they believe that those things I mentioned were good.

What does that have to do with a group of atheists, elected into public office trying to eradicate any Christmas imagery from society?

Is your argument that celebrating Christmas is outdated?

(10-22-2013 03:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  AS people get older there is always the notion that things were better in the old days. The reality however, at least in the last generation. is that in the old days, schools were segregated, minorities were discriminated against, and little opportunited were afforded to those who were in poverty.

I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that things were better in the old days unless of course they believe that those things I mentioned were good.

Hey man, we're not talking about the early 20th century. I'm only 34. No schools were segregated, no minorities were discriminated against, and being of the lower class was much easier because the value of the dollar wasn't gone. On July 4, 1985, we moved into the house that my parents still own. It's a 3 bed 2 bath cedar house on 4 acres out in the country. They paid $45K for it. Last year it appraised for almost $250K. Every room has been remodeled and updated but that's still over a $200K difference.

(10-22-2013 03:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 03:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  AS people get older there is always the notion that things were better in the old days. The reality however, at least in the last generation. is that in the old days, schools were segregated, minorities were discriminated against, and little opportunited were afforded to those who were in poverty.

I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that things were better in the old days unless of course they believe that those things I mentioned were good.

What does that have to do with a group of atheists, elected into public office trying to eradicate any Christmas imagery from society?

Is your argument that celebrating Christmas is outdated?

Government celebrating Christmas is outdated. Christians celebrating Christmas in their neighborhoods, churches, homes, etc. is certainly not.

By the way, I always think it's funny when a Christian thinks an atheist is trying to destroy Christianity. If I was Christian, I would be more worried about other Christians who barely know why Christmas is celebrated or anything else about the bible. Those are the people who are hurting Christianity.

(10-22-2013 03:49 PM)EpicNiner Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 03:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 03:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  AS people get older there is always the notion that things were better in the old days. The reality however, at least in the last generation. is that in the old days, schools were segregated, minorities were discriminated against, and little opportunited were afforded to those who were in poverty.

I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that things were better in the old days unless of course they believe that those things I mentioned were good.

What does that have to do with a group of atheists, elected into public office trying to eradicate any Christmas imagery from society?

Is your argument that celebrating Christmas is outdated?

Government celebrating Christmas is outdated. Christians celebrating Christmas in their neighborhoods, churches, homes, etc. is certainly not.

By the way, I always think it's funny when a Christian thinks an atheist is trying to destroy Christianity. If I was Christian, I would be more worried about other Christians who barely know why Christmas is celebrated or anything else about the bible. Those are the people who are hurting Christianity.

BS

So you are against the Christmas Tree Obama lights at the White House?

Keep your opinions as your opinions.

and BTW niner, if it's not a Christian event, liberals like yourself wouldn't be wasting your time trying to remove it.

(10-22-2013 03:49 PM)EpicNiner Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 03:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 03:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  AS people get older there is always the notion that things were better in the old days. The reality however, at least in the last generation. is that in the old days, schools were segregated, minorities were discriminated against, and little opportunited were afforded to those who were in poverty.

I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that things were better in the old days unless of course they believe that those things I mentioned were good.

What does that have to do with a group of atheists, elected into public office trying to eradicate any Christmas imagery from society?

Is your argument that celebrating Christmas is outdated?

Government celebrating Christmas is outdated. Christians celebrating Christmas in their neighborhoods, churches, homes, etc. is certainly not.

By the way, I always think it's funny when a Christian thinks an atheist is trying to destroy Christianity. If I was Christian, I would be more worried about other Christians who barely know why Christmas is celebrated or anything else about the bible. Those are the people who are hurting Christianity.

Nah man, only those who don't believe in God think those people are hurting Christianity. Christians know that fools like the Westboro bunch are nothing more than a cult seeking attention, they have absolutely nothing to do with REAL Christianity.

(10-22-2013 12:59 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

Quote:Everywhere you go, there are stories about people wanting the nativity scenes gone, people wanting Merry Christmas replaced with Happy Holidays, Christmas trees removed, etc. If it's the vocal minority then how the hell are they winning so much?

Availability Heuristic. These stories stick out to you, but don't give you a good idea how many people are actually participating. It only takes one loudmouth to get something like this in the news. The few atheists I know make it a point to mention that these things don't bother them.

Yet, conservatives say the same thing about the gun shooting incidents, and all we hear is "Gun control everything!" "Gun Free Zones!", etc?

You can't use this argument to defend atheists and then claim that you have to have gun-control because of a minority that get all the press can you?

It's getting silly. The Constitution is no bar against a community mirroring the religious and social makeup of its members. That's very different than shoving it down people's throats.

This whole selfish, 'I'm offended,' and 'what if we offend somebody' crap needs to calm down. People need to take a step back instead of being all butthurt about absolutely everything that so much as tickles them.

(10-22-2013 05:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 12:59 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

Quote:Everywhere you go, there are stories about people wanting the nativity scenes gone, people wanting Merry Christmas replaced with Happy Holidays, Christmas trees removed, etc. If it's the vocal minority then how the hell are they winning so much?

Availability Heuristic. These stories stick out to you, but don't give you a good idea how many people are actually participating. It only takes one loudmouth to get something like this in the news. The few atheists I know make it a point to mention that these things don't bother them.

Yet, conservatives say the same thing about the gun shooting incidents, and all we hear is "Gun control everything!" "Gun Free Zones!", etc?

You can't use this argument to defend atheists and then claim that you have to have gun-control because of a minority that get all the press can you?

I don't support liberal gun control policies. I think I've pointed out that school shootings are an over-represented problem in this thread already. You people need to stop putting me in the stereotypical liberal box.

(10-22-2013 06:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's getting silly. The Constitution is no bar against a community mirroring the religious and social makeup of its members. That's very different than shoving it down people's throats.

This whole selfish, 'I'm offended,' and 'what if we offend somebody' crap needs to calm down. People need to take a step back instead of being all butthurt about absolutely everything that so much as tickles them.

This is the ill defined thing that people are fighting over. Specifically, the line between a community mirroring it's members and public operations endorsing any particular religion.

(10-22-2013 12:07 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 11:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Please stop. Go away.

I hope you wouldn't encourage something like this. It's equivalent to taking an American Flag down that represents fallen soldiers. If you don't support that, instead of offering nothing in a thread just because Dixie posted it, please read the story or watch the video.

All he does is post useless threads trying to dominate the board. It's bordering on ridiculous. He needs to take break.