(10-22-2013 08:23 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:18 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  so slap on the wrist

heck UC might as well cheat on this level too...apparently the ncaa doesn't ever really do anything to anybody

If it was these penalties plus a 2 year bowl ban- it'd be viewed a lot differently. Fact is the 2 year bowl ban already done.

Where they good both years of the self imposed bowl ban? I can't remember. Only thin I can recall is they haven't been really good for a long time (this year aside). The point is, if you know you are probably going to be a .500 team then saying "Ok, no bowl for us" isn't really a penalty. Vs if you have national title hopes and then declare said ban.

Any Bowl ban hurts. For one you lose 20 practices which is huge. Imagine this years team with 40 extra practices. It's huge.

(10-22-2013 08:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:23 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:18 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  so slap on the wrist

heck UC might as well cheat on this level too...apparently the ncaa doesn't ever really do anything to anybody

If it was these penalties plus a 2 year bowl ban- it'd be viewed a lot differently. Fact is the 2 year bowl ban already done.

Where they good both years of the self imposed bowl ban? I can't remember. Only thin I can recall is they haven't been really good for a long time (this year aside). The point is, if you know you are probably going to be a .500 team then saying "Ok, no bowl for us" isn't really a penalty. Vs if you have national title hopes and then declare said ban.

Any Bowl ban hurts. For one you lose 20 practices which is huge. Imagine this years team with 40 extra practices. It's huge.

it's huge...but not huge enough to stop teams from cheating. IE teams cheat at the clip they do because the perceived penalty for cheating makes it worth it in the end

(10-22-2013 08:27 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:25 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:23 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:18 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  so slap on the wrist

heck UC might as well cheat on this level too...apparently the ncaa doesn't ever really do anything to anybody

If it was these penalties plus a 2 year bowl ban- it'd be viewed a lot differently. Fact is the 2 year bowl ban already done.

Where they good both years of the self imposed bowl ban? I can't remember. Only thin I can recall is they haven't been really good for a long time (this year aside). The point is, if you know you are probably going to be a .500 team then saying "Ok, no bowl for us" isn't really a penalty. Vs if you have national title hopes and then declare said ban.

Miami was 6-6 in both years of their self-imposed postseason bans, but that would have been good enough to go to the ACC CCG last season.

the ACC CCG...hahah who cares

I.E it still pays to cheat.

If I knew we were a .500 team at best going into the season and a mega ncaa investigation was looming, I would lay down and declare self imposed ban too. Unreal.

Other schools haven't. Ohio St 2 years ago could have done just that and they didn't- then got hit with the 1 year bowl ban. Would have been in the title game vs Notre Dame(and probably would have won a national championship). USC could have not gone to a bowl a few years ago but they went vs BC. They got a 2 year ban(the 2nd year was the year with Kiffin they go 10-2 and beat Oregon and would have been in a BCS game).

(10-22-2013 08:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:23 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:18 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  so slap on the wrist

heck UC might as well cheat on this level too...apparently the ncaa doesn't ever really do anything to anybody

If it was these penalties plus a 2 year bowl ban- it'd be viewed a lot differently. Fact is the 2 year bowl ban already done.

Where they good both years of the self imposed bowl ban? I can't remember. Only thin I can recall is they haven't been really good for a long time (this year aside). The point is, if you know you are probably going to be a .500 team then saying "Ok, no bowl for us" isn't really a penalty. Vs if you have national title hopes and then declare said ban.

Any Bowl ban hurts. For one you lose 20 practices which is huge. Imagine this years team with 40 extra practices. It's huge.

The true penalty of a postseason ban is the ability of players to be able to transfer from the program without restriction. Miami never had that. Extra practices really don't mean much after the nine months between them and the next season. They have some impact, but not that much. It's not like most players sit idle during that time anyway. They're all doing "voluntary" film and conditioning and skills drills. Imagine how decimated the roster would be if Miami had allowed players to transfer out the last two years.

(10-22-2013 08:43 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:23 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:18 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  so slap on the wrist

heck UC might as well cheat on this level too...apparently the ncaa doesn't ever really do anything to anybody

If it was these penalties plus a 2 year bowl ban- it'd be viewed a lot differently. Fact is the 2 year bowl ban already done.

Where they good both years of the self imposed bowl ban? I can't remember. Only thin I can recall is they haven't been really good for a long time (this year aside). The point is, if you know you are probably going to be a .500 team then saying "Ok, no bowl for us" isn't really a penalty. Vs if you have national title hopes and then declare said ban.

Any Bowl ban hurts. For one you lose 20 practices which is huge. Imagine this years team with 40 extra practices. It's huge.

The true penalty of a postseason ban is the ability of players to be able to transfer from the program without restriction. Miami never had that. Extra practices really don't mean much after the nine months between them and the next season. They have some impact, but not that much. It's not like most players sit idle during that time anyway. They're all doing "voluntary" film and conditioning and skills drills. Imagine how decimated the roster would be if Miami had allowed players to transfer out the last two years.

you are so right about the transfer without restriction.

I like the direction the NCAA is going w/ the penalties these days. They're suspending coaches for an x amount of time. Far better than punishing kids for bowl bans after the fact.

(10-22-2013 09:13 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I like the direction the NCAA is going w/ the penalties these days. They're suspending coaches for an x amount of time. Far better than punishing kids for bowl bans after the fact.

Kind of tough to say on this one- I think it's safe to say if Miami hadn't not gone to bowls the last 2 years that they would be have gotten a bowl ban.

(10-22-2013 09:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 09:13 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I like the direction the NCAA is going w/ the penalties these days. They're suspending coaches for an x amount of time. Far better than punishing kids for bowl bans after the fact.

Kind of tough to say on this one- I think it's safe to say if Miami hadn't not gone to bowls the last 2 years that they would be have gotten a bowl ban.

That's true as well. I just prefer to punish the people in charge.

Sh*t like this is what I totally agree w/
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/392653219509194753

Quick summary of the penalties:

Quote:•Public reprimand and censure.
•Three years of probation from October 22, 2013, through October 21, 2016.
Former assistant football coach B (as identified in the public report) penalties:

•A two-year show-cause order from October 22, 2013 through October 21, 2015. The public report contains further details.
•The committee also adopted penalties imposed by the coach’s current employing university, which are detailed in the public report.
Former assistant football coach C (as identified in the public report) penalties:

•A two-year show-cause order from October 22, 2013, through October 21, 2015. The public report contains further details.
Former head men’s basketball coach penalties:

•A suspension for the first five regular-season games of the 2013-14 season.
•Attendance at one NCAA Regional Rules seminar at the conclusion of the 2013-14 academic year.
Former assistant men’s basketball coach B (as identified in the public report) penalties:

•A two-year show-cause order from October 22, 2013, through October 21, 2015. The public report contains further details.
Football program penalties

•Reduction of football scholarship by a combined total of nine during the 2014-15, 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons.
•Miami may only provide a prospect on unofficial visits complementary tickets for one home game during the 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.
•Self-imposed by the university:
◦Two year bowl ban following the 2011 and 2012 seasons, including the 2012 ACC Championship game.
◦Reduction of official paid visits for 2012-13 by 20 percent to a total of 36 visits.
◦Reduction of fall evaluations in 2012-13 by six (from 42 to 36).
◦Reduction of available contact days during the 2012-13 contact period by 20 percent.
Men’s basketball program penalties

•Reduction in the number of men’s basketball scholarships by one during the each of the 2014-15, 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons.
Additional penalties

•For all sports, any staff member who sends an impermissible text to a prospect will be fined a minimum of $100 per message, and coaches will be suspended from all recruiting activities for seven days.
•Further penalties resulting from impermissible texts and phone calls are detailed in the public report.

(10-22-2013 09:18 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 09:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 09:13 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I like the direction the NCAA is going w/ the penalties these days. They're suspending coaches for an x amount of time. Far better than punishing kids for bowl bans after the fact.

Kind of tough to say on this one- I think it's safe to say if Miami hadn't not gone to bowls the last 2 years that they would be have gotten a bowl ban.

That's true as well. I just prefer to punish the people in charge.

Sh*t like this is what I totally agree w/
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/392653219509194753

I like the way y'all think. The program does need to suffer when they screw up but most of the blame lies with the coaches and admins who let it happen.

Fine them and ban them; this would work.

"Assistant football coach B" is Clint Hurtt.

"Assistant football coach C" is Aubrey Hill.

"Assistant men's basketball coach B" is Jorge Fernandez.

(10-22-2013 08:27 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:25 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:23 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 08:18 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  so slap on the wrist

heck UC might as well cheat on this level too...apparently the ncaa doesn't ever really do anything to anybody

If it was these penalties plus a 2 year bowl ban- it'd be viewed a lot differently. Fact is the 2 year bowl ban already done.

Where they good both years of the self imposed bowl ban? I can't remember. Only thin I can recall is they haven't been really good for a long time (this year aside). The point is, if you know you are probably going to be a .500 team then saying "Ok, no bowl for us" isn't really a penalty. Vs if you have national title hopes and then declare said ban.

Miami was 6-6 in both years of their self-imposed postseason bans, but that would have been good enough to go to the ACC CCG last season.

the ACC CCG...hahah who cares

I.E it still pays to cheat.

If I knew we were a .500 team at best going into the season and a mega ncaa investigation was looming, I would lay down and declare self imposed ban too. Unreal.

Miami was smarter than that. In both seasons, they waited until after they were bowl-eligible before self-imposing the bowl ban, so that it was clear they weren't just a 3-9 team banning itself from a bowl they wouldn't have been eligible for.

They also self-imposed FB scholarship reductions each of the past two seasons, which is why they only lost a few more FB scholarships going forward.

And, of course, Miami didn't have the stupid, "F--- you, NCAA, come and get us," attitude that USC had.

One more thought: Missouri and Frank Haith are damn lucky that Haith got a 5-game suspension instead of a show-cause penalty. Bruce Pearl is probably wondering why Haith got off so easy.