(10-20-2013 11:11 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 11:05 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I just call it how it is. I'm sure SMU fans thought they would be back soon too. There are no promises though, and there is nothing on your team right now IMO to get excited about. Our 3rd team and walk ons could probably give you a game, so when someone says you will be back "soon". I don't agree.

Comparing the USM situation to SMU is nonsense....SMU was never able to win without cheating and they have never had any long term success.

XACTLY! pure sj

(10-20-2013 11:11 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Comparing the USM situation to SMU is nonsense....SMU was never able to win without cheating and they have never had any long term success.

Yeah. Not comparable, SMU won a few games with freshman when they came back. There are plenty of other examples. That's was just one of a program who was in a talent rich area, who's experienced conference shift in realignment and change in fortune for decades. There are plenty others.

I tell you what. How about Miami Oh as a comp? They won for decades pretty consistently at a similar non BCS level to USM and were even considered the "cradle of coaches" with their history. Now they have had 1 winning season in the last 8 years are sitting in the same spot as USM at the bottom looking like a long time before they win again.

They had 12 straight winning seasons directly before this era including a 13-1 top 10 one a couple years prior to the downturn. Good enough or do you need other examples, I'm sure I can find them. What's the cradle of coaching history done for them the last 8 years, staring several more down? Nothing if you don't actually get good coaches who can recruit good players.

(10-20-2013 11:26 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 11:11 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Comparing the USM situation to SMU is nonsense....SMU was never able to win without cheating and they have never had any long term success.

Yeah. Not comparable, SMU won a few games with freshman when they came back. There are plenty of other examples. That's was just one of a program who was in a talent rich area, who's experienced conference shift in realignment and change in fortunes.

I tell you what. How about Miami Oh as a comp? They won for decades pretty consistently at a similar non BCS level to USM and were even considered the cradle of coaches with their history. Now they have had 1 winning season in the last 8 years are sitting in the same spot as USM 0 and whatever at rock bottom looking like a long time before they win again. They had 12 straight winning seasons directly before that including a 13-1 one a couple years prior to the downturn. Good enough or do you need other examples, I'm sure I can find them. What's the cradle of coaching history done for them the last 8 years, staring several more down?

I am not sure what Miami of OH has to do with USM but we could go around in circles with this debate with no resolution. For every example of where it has not been done there are examples of where things have worked out. You could prove to be correct but only time will tell. Most successful programs that fall on hard times find a way to make it back and I suspect USM will do he same...Keep in mind they are not even 2 years removed from a 12 win season with a CUSA Championship. Remember ECU during the JT era..Things looked pretty futile for a few years but we worked our way out of that mess.

(10-20-2013 11:39 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 11:26 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 11:11 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Comparing the USM situation to SMU is nonsense....SMU was never able to win without cheating and they have never had any long term success.

Yeah. Not comparable, SMU won a few games with freshman when they came back. There are plenty of other examples. That's was just one of a program who was in a talent rich area, who's experienced conference shift in realignment and change in fortunes.

I tell you what. How about Miami Oh as a comp? They won for decades pretty consistently at a similar non BCS level to USM and were even considered the cradle of coaches with their history. Now they have had 1 winning season in the last 8 years are sitting in the same spot as USM 0 and whatever at rock bottom looking like a long time before they win again. They had 12 straight winning seasons directly before that including a 13-1 one a couple years prior to the downturn. Good enough or do you need other examples, I'm sure I can find them. What's the cradle of coaching history done for them the last 8 years, staring several more down?

I am not sure what Miami of OH has to do with USM but we could got around in circles with this debate with no resolution. For every example of where it has not been done there are examples of where things have worked out. You could prove to be correct but only time will tell. Most successful programs that fall on hard times find a way to make it back and I suspect USM will do he same...Keep in mind they are not even 2 years removed from a 12 wins season with a CUSA Championship. Remember ECU during the JT era..Things looked pretty futile for a few years but we worked our way out of that mess.

again....XACTLY!

(10-20-2013 11:39 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  I am not sure what Miami of OH has to do with USM

You said history mattered. I could show you plenty of examples of schools that don't have great foundational things like a fanbase, facilities, resources etc who had history once upon a time and are scrubs now.

Quote:Most successful programs that fall on hard times find a way to make it back and I suspect USM will do he same.

If you were are talking about someone like say Auburn who has like 80 or 90k fans among the most in the nation in the stands and the money flowing and remain a destination place for coaches/players because of the facilities, conference, fan support, then yeah you can probably look for them to overcome a "downturn" because they have the foundation in place for it that they built during their successful history.

Quote:..Keep in mind they are not even 2 years removed from a 12 wins season with a CUSA Championship.

That team and coach they brought to Gville yesterday just as well have been 2k light years removed from it. Answer me this, who is even still around from that team coach or key player, and if there are none how does that have any bearing on their future. People say this but they haven't won since so obviously it's doing little for them and each year farther removed it matters even less.

Quote:Remember ECU during the JT era..Things looked pretty futile for a few years but we worked our way out of that mess.

We still had 33k fans showing up to see JT teams. For as bad as his teams were they were nothing as bad as this USM bunch. We still had young players like Chris Johnson and James Pinkney you could see a real future in and others signing with us likely because because at least people would come support and watch them play regardless. If you are a player that itself is a draw. It wasn't completely broken.

Jonesing,



No one likes you or cares what you think anymore.

(10-20-2013 12:02 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Jonesing,


No one likes you or cares what you think anymore.

he can't get out of his own way....but hush, I need him for humor value

(10-20-2013 12:04 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 12:02 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Jonesing,


No one likes you or cares what you think anymore.

he can't get out of his own way....but hush, I need him for humor value

So I guess USM fans want everyone to stroke your hair and tell you every thing is going to be ok? ...and some ECU fans are glad to stroke them off. Here's reality half the teams in football lose. It's mostly the poorer lest supported ones too. Maybe the rest of these guys around here will comfort you and tell you it will get better but not with what I see. You look at that team, that coach, your fan support, budget etc and I don't see it getting better for a while. I think it will take a special coach to clean that mess up, and I really don't know what coach is going to want to take one of the lowest paying jobs as impatient as you guys are with even successful alumni coaches after the hole that has been dug now. The only thing that past history is really doing is supplying unfair expectations that doesn't align with your actual budget and support that will scare future coaches away.

(10-20-2013 12:11 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  So I guess USM fans want everyone to stroke your hair and tell you every thing is going to be ok? ...and some ECU fans are glad to stroke them off. Here's reality half the teams in football lose. It's mostly the poorer lest supported ones too. Maybe the rest of these guys around here will comfort you and tell you it will get better but not with what I see. You look at that team, that coach, your fan support, budget etc and I don't see it getting better for a while. I think it will take a special coach to clean that mess up, and I really don't know what coach is going to want to take one of the lowest paying jobs as impatient as you guys are with even successful alumni coaches after the hole that has been dug now. The only think that history is really doing is supplying unfair expectations based on your budget and support that will scare future coaches away.

USM is one of the best-paying mid-major jobs around. We pay significantly more than Fresno State, Colorado State, and Hawaii, for example... and they're not paying two people at once. I agree with you that we're ******, but it's not because we don't pay coaches. It's because we're surrounded by a hostile city that hates us, and you're not. Greenville likes ECU, probably because ECU is allowed to make doctors and other useful professionals.

(10-20-2013 12:11 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  So I guess USM fans want everyone to stroke your hair and tell you every thing is going to be ok? ...and some ECU fans are glad to stroke them off. Here's reality half the teams in football lose. It's mostly the poorer lest supported ones too. Maybe the rest of these guys around here will comfort you and tell you it will get better but not with what I see. You look at that team, that coach, your fan support, budget etc and I don't see it getting better for a while. I think it will take a special coach to clean that mess up, and I really don't know what coach is going to want to take one of the lowest paying jobs as impatient as you guys are with even successful alumni coaches after the hole that has been dug now. The only thing that past history is really doing is supplying unfair expectations that doesn't align with your actual budget and support that will scare future coaches away.

here's what I know...you don't get laid by something that communicates in audible terms... inanimate objects are good for you....farm animals are even off limits

(10-20-2013 12:17 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  USM is one of the best-paying mid-major jobs around. We pay significantly more than Fresno State, Colorado State, and Hawaii, for example... and they're not paying two people at once.

You might be over paying now, and that's probably what you had to do to even get an unproven coach like Monken to come to this current situation today, but there were years where Bower was the best coach in CUSA and the lowest paid one as well. You guys have the lowest buget in CUSA, that didn't change so if you are taking sell outs at Nebraska to get money and having to overpay an unproven coach like Moken just to coach at USM I think that shows just how attractive the job has become and how much of an uphill you have going forward.

(10-20-2013 12:25 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 12:17 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  USM is one of the best-paying mid-major jobs around. We pay significantly more than Fresno State, Colorado State, and Hawaii, for example... and they're not paying two people at once.

You might be over paying now, and that's probably what you had to do to even get an unproven coach like Monken to come to this current situation today, but there were years where Bower was the best coach in CUSA and the lowest paid one as well. You guys have the lowest buget in CUSA, that didn't change so if you are taking sell outs at Nebraska to over paying an unproven coach like Moken just to coach USM I think that shows just how attractive the job has become and how much of an uphill you have going forward.

We paid Fedora almost $1,000,000 per year way back in 2008. We're not just "overpaying now". Southern Miss has always been a good place to coach, and will always be a good place to coach, long after you and your ugly purple uniforms and obnoxious piped in PA chatter are unpleasnat memories.

(10-20-2013 12:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 12:11 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  So I guess USM fans want everyone to stroke your hair and tell you every thing is going to be ok? ...and some ECU fans are glad to stroke them off. Here's reality half the teams in football lose. It's mostly the poorer lest supported ones too. Maybe the rest of these guys around here will comfort you and tell you it will get better but not with what I see. You look at that team, that coach, your fan support, budget etc and I don't see it getting better for a while. I think it will take a special coach to clean that mess up, and I really don't know what coach is going to want to take one of the lowest paying jobs as impatient as you guys are with even successful alumni coaches after the hole that has been dug now. The only thing that past history is really doing is supplying unfair expectations that doesn't align with your actual budget and support that will scare future coaches away.

here's what I know...you don't get laid by something that communicates in audible terms... inanimate objects are good for you....farm animals are even off limits

You're giving that dipshit too much credit.

(10-20-2013 12:11 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  So I guess USM fans want everyone to stroke your hair and tell you every thing is going to be ok? ...and some ECU fans are glad to stroke them off. Here's reality half the teams in football lose. It's mostly the poorer lest supported ones too. Maybe the rest of these guys around here will comfort you and tell you it will get better but not with what I see. You look at that team, that coach, your fan support, budget etc and I don't see it getting better for a while. I think it will take a special coach to clean that mess up, and I really don't know what coach is going to want to take one of the lowest paying jobs as impatient as you guys are with even successful alumni coaches after the hole that has been dug now. The only thing that past history is really doing is supplying unfair expectations that doesn't align with your actual budget and support that will scare future coaches away.

(10-20-2013 12:02 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Jonesing,



No one likes you or cares what you think anymore.

The opinions of SJ do not represent the vast majority ECU fans or their University. They are totally his own.

(10-20-2013 12:11 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  So I guess USM fans want everyone to stroke your hair and tell you every thing is going to be ok? ...and some ECU fans are glad to stroke them off. Here's reality half the teams in football lose. It's mostly the poorer lest supported ones too. Maybe the rest of these guys around here will comfort you and tell you it will get better but not with what I see. You look at that team, that coach, your fan support, budget etc and I don't see it getting better for a while. I think it will take a special coach to clean that mess up, and I really don't know what coach is going to want to take one of the lowest paying jobs as impatient as you guys are with even successful alumni coaches after the hole that has been dug now. The only thing that past history is really doing is supplying unfair expectations that doesn't align with your actual budget and support that will scare future coaches away.

Please...Just stop.

(10-20-2013 05:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 12:02 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Jonesing,



No one likes you or cares what you think anymore.

The opinions of SJ do not represent the vast majority ECU fans or their University. They are totally his own.

the only upside of losing ecu to realignment is that you have to take the freaking mouth breather with you.

(10-20-2013 05:32 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 05:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 12:02 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Jonesing,



No one likes you or cares what you think anymore.

The opinions of SJ do not represent the vast majority ECU fans or their University. They are totally his own.

the only upside of losing ecu to realignment is that you have to take the freaking mouth breather with you.

Well, we told him we went to the sun belt.

(10-20-2013 05:32 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 05:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 12:02 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Jonesing,



No one likes you or cares what you think anymore.

The opinions of SJ do not represent the vast majority ECU fans or their University. They are totally his own.

the only upside of losing ecu to realignment is that you have to take the freaking mouth breather with you.

Well, there is an upside. We get to see him and the UCF fans reunited.