(10-19-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ESPN has a letter that Grambling players wrote to the school administration, along with 26 photos showing how poor the conditions are for the football team.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...nistration

Odd that Dirt Winston was named interim and they still walked.

And the mold and mildew is likely a result of leaking pipes rather than causing the pipes to leak.

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(10-19-2013 11:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ESPN has a letter that Grambling players wrote to the school administration, along with 26 photos showing how poor the conditions are for the football team.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...nistration

Odd that Dirt Winston was named interim and they still walked.

And the mold and mildew is likely a result of leaking pipes rather than causing the pipes to leak.

The letter was rather embarrassing, to the administration, and the institution for how poorly it was written.

(10-19-2013 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ESPN has a letter that Grambling players wrote to the school administration, along with 26 photos showing how poor the conditions are for the football team.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...nistration

Odd that Dirt Winston was named interim and they still walked.

And the mold and mildew is likely a result of leaking pipes rather than causing the pipes to leak.

The letter was rather embarrassing, to the administration, and the institution for how poorly it was written.

Heck I get embarrassed reading my school's newspaper at times and that's stuff written by journalism majors.

(10-19-2013 11:23 AM)bullet Wrote:  I think its ridiculous we are still paying for segregated colleges in the south. In Georgia they merged 4 pairs of universities to save money. But they didn't merge Albany St. and Darton which are both in the megapolis of Albany, Georgia. They didn't merge Armstrong St. and Savannah St. (a school that is the definition of a basket case) both in Savannah. They merged schools that were further apart than Macon St. and Ft. Valley St. These schools are set up so African Americans can have their segregated schools. And Darton is so white people don't have to drive to Valdosta or Columbus to avoid being a minority. Its ridiculous. Georgia has some really good private HBCUs. It doesn't need 3 state HBCUs.

I let the first segregated schools comment slide but I can't let this continue to ride. HBCUs have NEVER been segregated, hell the majority of the were etablished with the help of whites including the one that I'm a graduate of. Our schools have just as much right to exist as any other institution of higher learning. Does the fact that they're majority black make you feel a certain type of way?

(10-19-2013 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ESPN has a letter that Grambling players wrote to the school administration, along with 26 photos showing how poor the conditions are for the football team.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...nistration

Odd that Dirt Winston was named interim and they still walked.

And the mold and mildew is likely a result of leaking pipes rather than causing the pipes to leak.

The letter was rather embarrassing, to the administration, and the institution for how poorly it was written.

And some how players from BCS schools who absolutely butcher the English language on national television week after week during post-game interviews are not?

(10-19-2013 05:47 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:23 AM)bullet Wrote:  I think its ridiculous we are still paying for segregated colleges in the south. In Georgia they merged 4 pairs of universities to save money. But they didn't merge Albany St. and Darton which are both in the megapolis of Albany, Georgia. They didn't merge Armstrong St. and Savannah St. (a school that is the definition of a basket case) both in Savannah. They merged schools that were further apart than Macon St. and Ft. Valley St. These schools are set up so African Americans can have their segregated schools. And Darton is so white people don't have to drive to Valdosta or Columbus to avoid being a minority. Its ridiculous. Georgia has some really good private HBCUs. It doesn't need 3 state HBCUs.

I let the first segregated schools comment slide but I can't let this continue to ride. HBCUs have NEVER been segregated, hell the majority of the were etablished with the help of whites including the one that I'm a graduate of. Our schools have just as much right to exist as any other institution of higher learning. Does the fact that they're majority black make you feel a certain type of way?

I agree, dude. I've got a degree from a HBCU myself, and I'm not black...

I guess I'll never understand the mentality of some people...

(10-19-2013 06:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 05:47 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:23 AM)bullet Wrote:  I think its ridiculous we are still paying for segregated colleges in the south. In Georgia they merged 4 pairs of universities to save money. But they didn't merge Albany St. and Darton which are both in the megapolis of Albany, Georgia. They didn't merge Armstrong St. and Savannah St. (a school that is the definition of a basket case) both in Savannah. They merged schools that were further apart than Macon St. and Ft. Valley St. These schools are set up so African Americans can have their segregated schools. And Darton is so white people don't have to drive to Valdosta or Columbus to avoid being a minority. Its ridiculous. Georgia has some really good private HBCUs. It doesn't need 3 state HBCUs.

I let the first segregated schools comment slide but I can't let this continue to ride. HBCUs have NEVER been segregated, hell the majority of the were etablished with the help of whites including the one that I'm a graduate of. Our schools have just as much right to exist as any other institution of higher learning. Does the fact that they're majority black make you feel a certain type of way?

I agree, dude. I've got a degree from a HBCU myself, and I'm not black...

I guess I'll never understand the mentality of some people...

I'll never understand how people think having majority white UNO and overwhelming majority black Southern U next door to each other makes sense in this century. Or why schools like Savannah St. and Southern U. New Orleans that have such terrible results should stay open. So I presume you two are just fine with Darton St. in Georgia made into a 4 year university so white kids didn't have to go to majority black Albany St. a couple miles away. And "integrated" Albany St is 84% African American, 4% White, 11% other/unkown. Darton is 42% African American and 53% white.

If someone wants to go to Clark Atlanta or Spellman or Morehouse or Howard, that's fine. Those are private schools. Not state sponsored schools targeted for one ethnic group.

(10-19-2013 09:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 06:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 05:47 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:23 AM)bullet Wrote:  I think its ridiculous we are still paying for segregated colleges in the south. In Georgia they merged 4 pairs of universities to save money. But they didn't merge Albany St. and Darton which are both in the megapolis of Albany, Georgia. They didn't merge Armstrong St. and Savannah St. (a school that is the definition of a basket case) both in Savannah. They merged schools that were further apart than Macon St. and Ft. Valley St. These schools are set up so African Americans can have their segregated schools. And Darton is so white people don't have to drive to Valdosta or Columbus to avoid being a minority. Its ridiculous. Georgia has some really good private HBCUs. It doesn't need 3 state HBCUs.

I let the first segregated schools comment slide but I can't let this continue to ride. HBCUs have NEVER been segregated, hell the majority of the were etablished with the help of whites including the one that I'm a graduate of. Our schools have just as much right to exist as any other institution of higher learning. Does the fact that they're majority black make you feel a certain type of way?

I agree, dude. I've got a degree from a HBCU myself, and I'm not black...

I guess I'll never understand the mentality of some people...

I'll never understand how people think having majority white UNO and overwhelming majority black Southern U next door to each other makes sense in this century. Or why schools like Savannah St. and Southern U. New Orleans that have such terrible results should stay open. So I presume you two are just fine with Darton St. in Georgia made into a 4 year university so white kids didn't have to go to majority black Albany St. a couple miles away. And "integrated" Albany St is 84% African American, 4% White, 11% other/unkown. Darton is 42% African American and 53% white.

If someone wants to go to Clark Atlanta or Spellman or Morehouse or Howard, that's fine. Those are private schools. Not state sponsored schools targeted for one ethnic group.

These schools are a legacy of the Jim Crow era, and as such are historically relevant...

Why would I have a problem with Darton State?

(10-19-2013 05:50 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ESPN has a letter that Grambling players wrote to the school administration, along with 26 photos showing how poor the conditions are for the football team.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...nistration

Odd that Dirt Winston was named interim and they still walked.

And the mold and mildew is likely a result of leaking pipes rather than causing the pipes to leak.

The letter was rather embarrassing, to the administration, and the institution for how poorly it was written.

And some how players from BCS schools who absolutely butcher the English language on national television week after week during post-game interviews are not?

I never implied they were not; they are.

It's time to shut down some of these schools which are relics and are now just scamming some of these kids for loan dollars while offering extremely substandard educations, which upwards of 80%, on average, won't even actually complete.

Sure, they have a 'right' to exist but they must perform and they simply don't. So why waste the money?

(10-21-2013 09:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 05:50 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ESPN has a letter that Grambling players wrote to the school administration, along with 26 photos showing how poor the conditions are for the football team.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...nistration

Odd that Dirt Winston was named interim and they still walked.

And the mold and mildew is likely a result of leaking pipes rather than causing the pipes to leak.

The letter was rather embarrassing, to the administration, and the institution for how poorly it was written.

And some how players from BCS schools who absolutely butcher the English language on national television week after week during post-game interviews are not?

I never implied they were not; they are.

It's time to shut down some of these schools which are relics and are now just scamming some of these kids for loan dollars while offering extremely substandard educations, which upwards of 80%, on average, won't even actually complete.

Sure, they have a 'right' to exist but they must perform and they simply don't. So why waste the money?

I disagree with you, Dix. All HBCUs are a historical legacy from the days of Jim Crow. As such they are all historical landmarks, and deserve to be preserved...

As for substandard educations, I'd be willing to bet many of the athletes playing on the field for Alabama and many other BCS schools have no right to be at those institutions - for the very same reason you say the HBCUs need to be shut down...

(10-21-2013 11:10 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 09:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 05:50 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Odd that Dirt Winston was named interim and they still walked.

And the mold and mildew is likely a result of leaking pipes rather than causing the pipes to leak.

The letter was rather embarrassing, to the administration, and the institution for how poorly it was written.

And some how players from BCS schools who absolutely butcher the English language on national television week after week during post-game interviews are not?

I never implied they were not; they are.

It's time to shut down some of these schools which are relics and are now just scamming some of these kids for loan dollars while offering extremely substandard educations, which upwards of 80%, on average, won't even actually complete.

Sure, they have a 'right' to exist but they must perform and they simply don't. So why waste the money?

I disagree with you, Dix. All HBCUs are a historical legacy from the days of Jim Crow. As such they are all historical landmarks, and deserve to be preserved...

As for substandard educations, I'd be willing to bet many of the athletes playing on the field for Alabama and many other BCS schools have no right to be at those institutions - for the very same reason you say the HBCUs need to be shut down...

I don't disagree with the need for them when they were founded.

Still, that's no rationale basis for overlooking their obsolescence in today's world of higher education.

(10-21-2013 11:10 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 09:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 05:50 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:53 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 11:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Odd that Dirt Winston was named interim and they still walked.

And the mold and mildew is likely a result of leaking pipes rather than causing the pipes to leak.

The letter was rather embarrassing, to the administration, and the institution for how poorly it was written.

And some how players from BCS schools who absolutely butcher the English language on national television week after week during post-game interviews are not?

I never implied they were not; they are.

It's time to shut down some of these schools which are relics and are now just scamming some of these kids for loan dollars while offering extremely substandard educations, which upwards of 80%, on average, won't even actually complete.

Sure, they have a 'right' to exist but they must perform and they simply don't. So why waste the money?

I disagree with you, Dix. All HBCUs are a historical legacy from the days of Jim Crow. As such they are all historical landmarks, and deserve to be preserved...

As for substandard educations, I'd be willing to bet many of the athletes playing on the field for Alabama and many other BCS schools have no right to be at those institutions - for the very same reason you say the HBCUs need to be shut down...

There's a lot of old stuff that needs to be torn down. Not everything that is old needs to stay around. And as a legacy of that era, some of it should go away. Some of those schools do a good job. Some serve a separate niche. Southern-Baton Rouge and LSU-Baton Rouge serve different purposes. Southern-NO and UNO don't. Albany St. and Darton don't-they both serve lightly populated SW Georgia in a town of 30,000 people.

JOOC, how many of you discussing eliminating these schools are black? Anyone?

(10-21-2013 11:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  JOOC, how many of you discussing eliminating these schools are black? Anyone?

It doesn't have to be the HBCU - it can be like when Tennessee State merged with UT-Davidson - Tennessee State is still around, UT-Davidson is not.


Whichever makes the most sense, in terms of physical plant, location, etc.

(10-21-2013 11:53 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 11:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  JOOC, how many of you discussing eliminating these schools are black? Anyone?

It doesn't have to be the HBCU - it can be like when Tennessee State merged with UT-Davidson - Tennessee State is still around, UT-Davidson is not.


Whichever makes the most sense, in terms of physical plant, location, etc.

I was thinking of that. A lot of the other southern states should follow Tennessee's lead.

@bit-almost all of us are taxpayers. Only "Black" people should have a say in whether the state spends money on a HBCU? Pitiful, pitiful argument. You realize you are defending having schools that are mostly segregated?

I am pretty sure these athletes got the recruiting tour of the Grambling facilities before they accepted scholarships. If a free education is problem for these players then maybe the university should cancel their scholarships and just start over. Holding the school and the fans hostage by forcing cancellations of games and boycotting everything is utter BS.

(10-21-2013 11:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  JOOC, how many of you discussing eliminating these schools are black? Anyone?

How is that relevant?

(10-21-2013 11:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  JOOC, how many of you discussing eliminating these schools are black? Anyone?

We'll I'm reading the conversation and I'm black, but that's irrelevant IMO. Ultimately the issue is one of finances. In the era of dwindling state investment and marginal ROI for the student debt incurred, I think it is a appropriate question. Even if you decided to keep some state supported HBCU's around, I think it is not OOB to ask how many. If integration was the goal, then why is self segregation ok? And while I know many of these schools they don't willfully reject white students, only TSU is and 23% white (out of 9k total). The rest of the HBCU's are well below 5% diversity.