Hmm wonder how this wound up in the PRC???


Chinese Apache? Begins with an "E" and ends with a "T"

Our friends at WiB and ChinaDefense have had their puzzl'r puzzl'n over the pictures of what looks to be an AH-64 Apache on a flat-bed in the Middle Kingdom.

A few theories are out there. Let's play some with them.

1. "This was a plant for some reason. They wanted it seen, otherwise it would be covered."
--- Never assign to complicated conspiracies what is best assigned to simple human incompetence. Call it the "Snowden must be a CIA operative" school of crazy. Odds; 10%

2. "This was from a crash in AFG or IRQ that was smuggled out."
--- No. Look at it. It is in too good shape ... and I've seen what we do with helos we have to leave on the field. Odds; 1%

3. "The Chinese have stolen the plans are have copied the entire helo."
--- They have a perfectly fine attack helo on their own. Down to the paint job copy then put it on a flat bed? Odds; 2%

4. "A movie prop." No. What movie ... and not. Odds; 1%

No - I am more likely to ascribe the Chinese getting an Apache to one of the Seven Deadly Sins or combo of a few. Lust, wrath, greed, pride ... those liberty risk factors.

Let's look who actually has Apaches making shadows on the ramp; USA, GBR, UAE, ROC, SGP, SAU, NLD, KWT, JPN, ISR, IDN, GRC, and .... wait for it ... EGY.

So, on that list, which country and/or military has the ingrained corruption, present dislike to the USA, need of new friends, and could use the money and influence that China can bring that the USA can't/won't?

OK, GRC ... but seriously. Who on that list also have the chaos to let something like this slip through? OK, GRC again ... but work with me.

Yep, Egypt. That is where my money is. Pay the right people the right amount of money. Put it in the right container or on the right ship ... and there you go.

I remember being escorted by an Egyptian Apache through the Suez and talking to some folks on the Flag Bridge the wisdom of selling Egypt all our best equipment. Well, there you go.

You have the pic above, below is one taken recently in Egypt of one of their Apaches.



China got an Apache from Egypt by some corrupt military type for money, influence, and just to spite the Americans who supported the Muslim Brotherhood? Odds; 51%

http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2013/1...-ends.html

How do we even know the picture was taken in China?

Considering the Chinese have downloaded all of the plans and specs of our military equipment including latest fighter jets, why would it surprise anyone if they have copied it? They even had our advanced stealth Apache from the Bin Laden raid. We are complete world idiots for not protecting our systems secret information more.

(10-15-2013 01:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  How do we even know the picture was taken in China?

How do we even know that picture is REAL?

(10-15-2013 01:31 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Considering the Chinese have downloaded all of the plans and specs of our military equipment including latest fighter jets, why would it surprise anyone if they have copied it? They even had our advanced stealth Apache from the Bin Laden raid. We are complete world idiots for not protecting our systems secret information more.

Too busy focusing on keeping hands off of a birth certificate that was sealed up and top secret.

(10-15-2013 01:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  How do we even know the picture was taken in China?

Mainland Chinese Plate, Ningbo, Zhejiang Province

(10-15-2013 02:35 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 01:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  How do we even know the picture was taken in China?

Mainland Chinese Plate, Ningbo, Zhejiang Province

Screw the Apache... how'd they get a late model Cadillac?

(10-15-2013 03:28 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 02:35 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 01:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  How do we even know the picture was taken in China?

Mainland Chinese Plate, Ningbo, Zhejiang Province

Screw the Apache... how'd they get a late model Cadillac?

Oh they have lots of those. What they really have lots of is Buick Regals. Seems like at least half the cars on the road in Beijing are Regals.

Maybe it's paper mache and it's to be burned as an offering at a funeral? Odds? 1%

Seems a bit strange it would transported out in the open, if it was indeed a real Apache.

(10-15-2013 03:40 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Maybe it's paper mache and it's to be burned as an offering at a funeral? Odds? 1%

Seems a bit strange it would transported out in the open, if it was indeed a real Apache.

Why?

Chinese would love this photo to go viral.

(10-15-2013 03:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why?

Chinese would love this photo to go viral.

It is old technology and yes, there is probably propaganda value to the photo.

But showing it off this quickly does potentially expose how they got it, and that pipeline may have just dried up......

(10-15-2013 03:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Oh they have lots of those. What they really have lots of is Buick Regals. Seems like at least half the cars on the road in Beijing are Regals.

I don't get their obsession with Buick. Maybe it's the marketing corollary to Nova.

(10-15-2013 03:54 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 03:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why?

Chinese would love this photo to go viral.

It is old technology and yes, there is probably propaganda value to the photo.

But showing it off this quickly does potentially expose how they got it, and that pipeline may have just dried up......

Maybe that is their intent moreso than adding a museum piece that I'm sure they've all climbed over at one airshow or another.

Makes you wonder what else could disappear. At least the M-1 tank model they produce doesn't have the US Armor package and electronics. Chinese have some old F-16's they they got from Pakistan and Venezuela. Egyptian F-16's not the top of the line.

As long as it isn't in Area 51 I doubt it's the cutting edge.

(10-15-2013 05:36 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Chinese have some old F-16's they they got from Pakistan and Venezuela.

Do the Chinese fly these in Chinese markings?

Chinese are great with electronics. Problem with their aerospace industry is they can't build the engines, even with stealing the design or the engine itself.

(10-15-2013 06:04 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 05:36 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Chinese have some old F-16's they they got from Pakistan and Venezuela.

Do the Chinese fly these in Chinese markings?

Don't know