(10-14-2013 03:21 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:08 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The SEC still needs to earn their spot every year. It's not a gift program...

That's why I added that caveat about an undefeated or a one loss team.

If the SEC has a one loss champ, and there are 2 or more undefeated champions from ACC, B1G, B12, or P12, the SEC will be watching the BCS Championship. Bet on it...

Not if that one loss team lost to a number 1 ranked team and beat 4 top 25 opponents to get to 11-1.

Any P5 school that goes undefeated will run through a similar gauntlet. So I don't see your point...

Unlikely, as evidenced by the SEC setting a record for ranked teams.

(10-14-2013 02:44 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:36 PM)theSabanator20 Wrote:  Oregon's level? What a joke. Alabama is a mile ahead of everyone else right now until proven otherwise. And Oregon has shown that they can be run on and passed on in all of their major bowl games, as well as slowed down. Alabama with a week to prepare beats Oregon by 7-10 points. With a month, 21-28 points.

Alabama couldn't even beat A&M by 28 points but you think they could beat Oregon by that much? This isn't Ole Miss or Vandy we are talking about. Oregon is the real deal. Alabama is very good but I don't think they are as good as they were last year. Just because you were the best in 2012 doesn't mean you are the best in 2013.

Let me present you with some cold hard facts about Alabama's bowl games since the dynasty started in 2009.

Alabama is 4-0 in bowl games since 2009.

Alabama has outscored the opposition 149-42.

Alabama has won by an average score of 37.2-10.5

Alabama's average margin of victory over that span is roughly 26.7 points. (In latter terms, 4 scores)

Alabama has won 3 of the past 4 national championship games.

Alabama has given up 6 TOTAL first half points in that 4 game span.

Alabama has allowed 0 TDs in the first half over that 4 game span.

Alabama has beaten 2 #1 teams by a total of 63-14.

Alabama had at one point 69 unanswered points in BCS Championship games.

Alabama has beaten every opponent by at least 16 points.

Three of Alabama's opponents were undefeated at the time of kickoff.

Oh, and Alabama is working on another one.



When Oregon has a resume like this, then they will have reached Alabama's level. Until then,

(10-14-2013 03:44 PM)theSabanator20 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:44 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:36 PM)theSabanator20 Wrote:  Oregon's level? What a joke. Alabama is a mile ahead of everyone else right now until proven otherwise. And Oregon has shown that they can be run on and passed on in all of their major bowl games, as well as slowed down. Alabama with a week to prepare beats Oregon by 7-10 points. With a month, 21-28 points.

Alabama couldn't even beat A&M by 28 points but you think they could beat Oregon by that much? This isn't Ole Miss or Vandy we are talking about. Oregon is the real deal. Alabama is very good but I don't think they are as good as they were last year. Just because you were the best in 2012 doesn't mean you are the best in 2013.

Let me present you with some cold hard facts about Alabama's bowl games since the dynasty started in 2009.

Alabama is 4-0 in bowl games since 2009.

Alabama has outscored the opposition 149-42.

Alabama has won by an average score of 37.2-10.5

Alabama's average margin of victory over that span is roughly 26.7 points. (In latter terms, 4 scores)

Alabama has won 3 of the past 4 national championship games.

Alabama has given up 6 TOTAL first half points in that 4 game span.

Alabama has allowed 0 TDs in the first half over that 4 game span.

Alabama has beaten 2 #1 teams by a total of 63-14.

Alabama had at one point 69 unanswered points in BCS Championship games.

Alabama has beaten every opponent by at least 16 points.

Three of Alabama's opponents were undefeated at the time of kickoff.

Oh, and Alabama is working on another one.



When Oregon has a resume like this, then they will have reached Alabama's level. Until then,

Alabama had Bambi once.

(10-14-2013 01:42 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 01:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  They've said that about the Ducks every year for almost a decade. Every year they have Clemsoned. I think it unfair to call it Clemsoning. It should be called pulling a Duck. When Oregon runs the table I'll believe they are championship caliber. Until then they have just been Ducks, and the only question has been on what weekend do they become dead Ducks? Sportswriters hype them to keep West coast interest. They'll hype them all the more now that Stanford has stumbled.

Why does Oregon have to run the table? The SEC champ rarely runs the table. The only time we had an Oregon/SEC champ title game it was an extremely good game. Way better than you'd get with some slow, plodding Big 10 type team.

I have no problem with an SEC champ playing a PAC champ for the national title game. I'm just saying they are going to have to earn their respect. So far every year they run the hell up on the score against everyone they can. Then the first time they run into a decent defense those numbers go way down. Yes their game with Auburn was close. Auburn averaged maybe 30 points a game that year and fell 8 points short of their average. Oregon averaged close to 40 points a game and only managed 19 and several points out of that total came on a turnover.

When their offense can prove its dominance over a championship defense I'll give the Ducks their due. But right now I just don't trust the hype. I've had over a decade of the Duck hype and every year they wind up being dinner before we even get to Chinese New Year. If and when they can prove it on the field with a championship then they will have my respect. Right now they are just very fast thin guys in colorful uniforms.

(10-14-2013 02:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 01:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think most fair minded folks would agree that the SEC has earned the right to defend the NC as long as they have an undefeated or a one loss team.

Alabama doesn't deserve it, let alone someone else. Any fair minded person would think your comment is inherently unfair. Each team has to earn it.

That said, they will give Alabama the benefit of a doubt if they go unbeaten. Oregon and Alabama will almost certainly get in if they go undefeated. If one or both lose, then it will depend on the unbeaten's season, whether its Clemson, FSU, Ohio St., Missouri or Baylor.

You don't exactly give an undefeated team the "benefit of a doubt."

If there are a bunch of unbeatens and Alabama continues to look vulnerable as they have pretty much except for Ole Miss, they will still get the benefit of a doubt over unbeaten Baylor, FSU and Ohio St.

(10-14-2013 04:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 01:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think most fair minded folks would agree that the SEC has earned the right to defend the NC as long as they have an undefeated or a one loss team.

Alabama doesn't deserve it, let alone someone else. Any fair minded person would think your comment is inherently unfair. Each team has to earn it.

That said, they will give Alabama the benefit of a doubt if they go unbeaten. Oregon and Alabama will almost certainly get in if they go undefeated. If one or both lose, then it will depend on the unbeaten's season, whether its Clemson, FSU, Ohio St., Missouri or Baylor.

You don't exactly give an undefeated team the "benefit of a doubt."

If there are a bunch of unbeatens and Alabama continues to look vulnerable as they have pretty much except for Ole Miss, they will still get the benefit of a doubt over unbeaten Baylor, FSU and Ohio St.

Unbeaten trumps those with blemishes and the consistently unbeaten trump the newfound unbeaten.

Missouri can beat Florida with or without Franklin. South Carolina is another story, but it is a home game.

I think they go 10-2. Losses to two of Florida, SC, and A&M all home games.

(10-14-2013 03:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 03:21 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:08 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 02:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  That's why I added that caveat about an undefeated or a one loss team.

If the SEC has a one loss champ, and there are 2 or more undefeated champions from ACC, B1G, B12, or P12, the SEC will be watching the BCS Championship. Bet on it...

Not if that one loss team lost to a number 1 ranked team and beat 4 top 25 opponents to get to 11-1.

Any P5 school that goes undefeated will run through a similar gauntlet. So I don't see your point...

Unlikely, as evidenced by the SEC setting a record for ranked teams.

Does Alabama is going to play every one of those ranked schools? Also, are all of those schools worthy of their ranking, or is the media giving the SEC way too much credit for all those BCS trophies?

After all, the polls are just a consortium of opinions. The only poll that really counts is the final one...

(10-12-2013 03:47 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If Missouri finishes the regular season undefeated, are they in the national title discussion?

Absolutely. They'd have wins over UGA, South Carolina, UF, A&M, and the West Champ

You guys are crazy if you think Oregon gets leaped by a never-was-been like Mizzou. The SEC lacks an elite level team this year. If you could watch Bama play without the logos on the uniforms you would be crazy to say they are as good as Oregon.

(10-14-2013 10:01 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  You guys are crazy if you think Oregon gets leaped by a never-was-been like Mizzou. The SEC lacks an elite level team this year. If you could watch Bama play without the logos on the uniforms you would be crazy to say they are as good as Oregon.

If I remember correctly, Oregon could not even win their division... The BCS computers will decide this, and I would put up Mizzou's schedule against Oregon. Don't worry about it though because it's not going to get to that.... and that's coming from a Missouri fan.

(10-14-2013 10:17 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:01 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  You guys are crazy if you think Oregon gets leaped by a never-was-been like Mizzou. The SEC lacks an elite level team this year. If you could watch Bama play without the logos on the uniforms you would be crazy to say they are as good as Oregon.

If I remember correctly, Oregon could not even win their division... The BCS computers will decide this, and I would put up Mizzou's schedule against Oregon.

I don't mean to be disrespectful towards Mizzou, they aren't a never-was-been, that is an exaggeration, I remember them being ranked pretty high a few years ago, but just watching the two teams play is like night and day. Oregon is a machine and Mizzou looks slow and plodding by comparison.

It's hard to compare two teams like that.

(10-14-2013 10:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's hard to compare two teams like that.

I get that Oregon is fast, but apparently that doesn't win championships every year.

(10-14-2013 10:34 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's hard to compare two teams like that.

I get that Oregon is fast, but apparently that doesn't win championships every year.

Nope, size and speed does.

(10-14-2013 10:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:34 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's hard to compare two teams like that.

I get that Oregon is fast, but apparently that doesn't win championships every year.

Nope, size and speed does.

Also timely injuries to your opponent's starting QB.

(10-14-2013 10:50 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:34 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's hard to compare two teams like that.

I get that Oregon is fast, but apparently that doesn't win championships every year.

Nope, size and speed does.

Also timely injuries to your opponent's starting QB.

Same with pick 6s right?

(10-14-2013 10:50 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:34 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's hard to compare two teams like that.

I get that Oregon is fast, but apparently that doesn't win championships every year.

Nope, size and speed does.

Also timely injuries to your opponent's starting QB.

Not when the back up may be better than the starter. Read his high school resume.

(10-15-2013 12:05 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:50 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:34 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's hard to compare two teams like that.

I get that Oregon is fast, but apparently that doesn't win championships every year.

Nope, size and speed does.

Also timely injuries to your opponent's starting QB.

Not when the back up may be better than the starter. Read his high school resume.

I think he was expressing some long pent up butthurt about the beat-down Alabama gave Texas.