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RE: Big 12 Mega-thread. (Doomsday theories and Luck/UCF rumors)
(10-24-2013 10:48 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
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(10-18-2013 11:08 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Louisville had a number of advantages but one significant flaw, it wasn't located in Texas. For the remaining B12 schools, this was an important requirement.

TCU was absolutely the right team at the right time. Those arguing against it, simply do not comprehend that TCU was VITAL to saving the very TV contract that held the Big 12 together while they regrouped.

I’m not disputing your post. However, I can’t find any info that substantiates TCU was necessary for the B12’s contract. If you have a link to this info, please provide it and I’ll be done with this discussion.

Sorry, never saw this post. Fox told the Big 12 that if they wanted to keep their new contract, they had to approve any additions. TCU was consider by Fox an acceptable replacement for Texas A&M. While they did not expressly say so, it was obvious they wanted another Texas team to replace them. When Missouri left, when the Big 12 was looking at Louisville again and at WVU, Fox, who only televises Big 12 football, more or less demanded they add WVU (oddly even with that, it was still not a unanimous vote) as part of Louisville's value, as a brand at whole, was irrelevant to Fox since they did not televise any other Big 12 sports.


(10-22-2013 01:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 12:54 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  I can totally see a B1G or SEC fan talking down to the PAC about their ratings. But a B12 fan? Meh.

You do have serious reading comprehension issues:
AL-AR 1.33 ESPN
OU-KU 1.19 ESPN
TCU-Okie St. 1.1 Fox
Oregon ST.-Cal FS1 0.73

(in case its just that you are a liberal arts person, 1.1 is greater than 0.73)

Bullet, a 0.73 rating on FS1 is about the equivalent of a 1.1 rating on Fox when you factor in availability. FS1 is in 73% of the homes that Big Fox is in and the rating for that game was a factor of 67%. Add in the time difference, the OU/TCU game at 7:00.

If you want to see hwo ratings compare for games on Fox this year between the two, here is how they stack up thru week 7 (October 12):

_________________Big Fox________________Fox Sports 1________
Conf_____Gm______Rat_____ Viewers____Gm____Rating____Viewers
Big 12____3_______1.37_____2,283,333__12____ 0.25_____392,833
PAC12____3_______1.433____2,320,000__9_____0.39_____657,000
C-USA____0_______0.0______0000000___6_____0.13_____172,666

The Big Fox games are a pretty straight forward comparison, as they are all prime time 7:00 games save for the 3:30 Baylor/KSU game. With FS1, of the Big 12 games 6 are noon games, 1 is an afternoon game (4:00), 2 are early evening games (6 or 6:30) and 3 ar east coast prime time. For the PAC 12 3 were afternoon games, 1 was east coast prime time, and 5 were west coast primetime (after 10:00).

You might want to rethink your post there hoss.

The other poster said the Big 12 had the lowest rating of the week. That was clearly wrong and I was pointing that out. I've got him on ignore now since he's obviously just a troll.

As I said, I hadn't seen any summary of this year's ratings, but last year the Big 12 was almost even with the Big 10 and far ahead of the ACC and Pac 12. The Pac 12 is probably the best conference this year. The Big 12 is not as strong at the top as it has been and overall is probably well behind the Pac 12 and SEC. With some really good matchups, the Pac 12's ratings have to be disappointing and not enticing for anyone in a different power conference.
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(10-24-2013 10:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  As I said, I hadn't seen any summary of this year's ratings, but last year the Big 12 was almost even with the Big 10 and far ahead of the ACC and Pac 12.


Define "far" ahead of the PAC 12 and ACC last year?

Conference______ Games__Total Viewers_____ Avg Viewers**
Independent_______21_____93,629,000______4,458,524
SEC______________46____194,871,000______4,236,326
Big Ten___________40____154,154,000______3,853,850
Big 12____________28____101,425,000______3,622,321
ACC (non U*)_____22_____78,182,000_______3,553,727
PAC 12___________38____122,788,000______3,231,263
ACC (w/ESPNU)____27_____79,756,000_______2,953,926
MWC_____________7_____16,494,000_______2,356,286
Big East__________19_____43,796,000_______2,305,053
CUSA____________4_______6,656,000_______1,664,000
MAC_____________8______10,872,000_______1,359,000
WAC_____________7_______7,850,000_______1,121,429
Sunbelt___________6______6,216,000_______1,036,000
1AA_____________1________983,000_________983,000

They were ahead, but not by "that" much. And that was with the Big 12 having it's best year and the PAC 12 having a down year.

* ESPNU games have drastically lower ratings than nay other listed network. Taking out ESPNU games (only really affects the ACC, as the SEC had only 2 U games, and the PAC had 1) gives a more accurate reflection of ratings when compared across the platforms.

**Note that these numbers are only national TV games, but do not include any games on F/X which carried both Big 12 and PAC 12 games last year, but their ratings were not archived for some reason.
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(10-12-2013 10:09 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
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(10-11-2013 06:34 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  IMO the reason why this BigXII demise threads keep popping up is that despite the strength of the GoR, the current conference configuration with no CCG and WVU out in Eastern limbo just looks like a temporary fix, not a plan for longterm stability.

Following the departure of NU and CU, what plausible expansion move(s) would have made the BigXII look like a more viable conference going forward?

After losing those 4 schools they could have gone back to being the Big 8. T Boone Pickens actually pushed for this; no joke. TCU was an OK pick I guess....I like TCU and respect what they did in the years following the SWC breakup, but the Big 12 doesn't need them. Dallas/Ft Worth is already owned by Texas, Oklahoma, OK St, Texas Tech and Baylor. Not to mention Arkansas, Texas A&M and the Cowboys. And most importantly: SMU.03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao Just kidding. Picking West Virginia was a terrible move.....now it may have worked if they would've picked up Louisville when they had a chance. But to leave them out on an island like that is unprecedented with the P5. Now add to the problem Iowa St. They are now on island with their bordering rivals Nebraska and Mizzou gone. I predict this will also hurt them in recruiting to the point that they'll go back to being bottom feeders every year like they used to be in the 80's and 90's.....It's too bad the ACC or SEC won't pick up West Virginia. It would not only be good for WV, but for the big 12 as well....

You've got it reversed.... TCU was a terrible move while WV was an ok pick (an eastern footprint). The B12 has TX, TT, and Baylor; adding another TX school did nothing for increasing its footprint and exposure. However, as you’ve pointed out, Louisville should have been added as well. In fact, the B12 should have added the remaining Big East football schools and created a Big East division within the B12. It could have been:

Big East Division: Louisville, Rutgers, Temple, UC, UCF*, UCONN, USF, WV

Big Eight Division: Baylor, Iowa St, KU, K St, OU, OSU, TX, TT

This would have given the B12 the largest footprint of any P5 conference and the necessary eastern exposure to start a "real" network….

Great point. It makes you wonder if Louisville would have left for the ACC if such a move had been made.

Rutgers certainly would have left for the Big Ten. They've been dreaming of being in an all sports conference with Penn State for 35 years and the Big XII can never match what the Big Ten has to offer as a total package. That probably would have been the point to add TCU.


The B12’s GOR would have kept Rutgers from leaving.


(10-18-2013 12:12 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
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(10-18-2013 11:36 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I do believe the big 12 need to jump to 10 for the contract but they didn't need to take tcu/wvu. They could have gone with say USF and UCF to get to 10 or 2-4 from new mexico, colorado state, byu and boise if they wanted to go with west. Realistically, they probably should have jumped to 11 with cincy, lville and wvu. That would have doomed the big east, than they could have waited out spot 12, i.e. target ND without football/byu football only for spot 12. However, like the big 10 who passed on ku/missouir, the big 12 probably got greedy with thoughts of Flordia state. YEt, i'm not even sure the FSU rumor was around at that point. On the other hand, tcu was coming off rose bowl win but still adding another school in texas really doesn't make sense.

The point that keeps getting overlooked is that each of the remaining football schools in the Big East had something that the B12 will eventually need--an eastern footprint. The B12 should have at least added Louisvile, Rutguers, and UC with WV:


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So, having missed the boat on Louisville and Rutgers, who is available now for them to build that eastern footprint?

The following list is the G5 schools that I would consider (based solely on your question regarding building the B12's eastern footprint):

1) Cin-Good market, good bball, OK fball, and an excellent companion for WV because they have history with each other. Moreover, it’s the best balanced school left.

2&3) Navy and Army-Football only membership for both keeps B12 payouts high while adding two nationally followed fball programs. If the B12 went this route, it might be able to get Air Force as well.

4) Memphis-Good market and bball along with being centrally located to the other schools listed from a B12 perspective. The B12 really needs to improve its bball BIG TIME, which Memphis and Cin would definitely do.

5) ECU-Excellent fan base and power conference facilities. Its nickname makes it the most marketable school to pair with WV—imagine the Mountaineers and Pirates invading Texas and Oklahoma on back to back weekends....

6) UCF-Good market, getting national attention in fball, has good facilities, and Florida recruiting. Having no NFL team makes it the preferred choice over USF in my opinion.

7) USF-Good market and compliments UCF in a conference. USF and UCF are more valuable together than separate….

8) Tulane-Good market, destination (New Orleans), and would make an excellent bridge to UCF and USF from B12 territory. Tulane’s biggest asset to the B12 is academics—another area the B12 could improve in.

However, if I were the B12 commissioner, I would approach the B12 schools with a different expansion strategy since Louisville and Rutgers are no longer available; plus UCONN (a good national bball program that the B12 could definitely use) would stretch the B12’s footprint too far to make it a feasible addition with the schools that I’ve listed.
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(10-24-2013 11:16 AM)Underdog Wrote:  The following list is the G5 schools that I would consider (based solely on your question regarding building the B12's eastern footprint):

Call me crazy, but looking at that map, I can't help but to notice one name missing from that list:

9) Northern Illinois -

I am not saying they should or would be at the top of the list, but for a conference in need of expanding their reach geographically, a hot, recently good school not far outside of Chicago would certainly make for an investment worth at least mentioning. Especially if we are mentioning Tulane (which BTW, New Orleans really no longer qualifies as a "good" market).
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(10-24-2013 11:26 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-24-2013 11:16 AM)Underdog Wrote:  The following list is the G5 schools that I would consider (based solely on your question regarding building the B12's eastern footprint):

Call me crazy, but looking at that map, I can't help but to notice one name missing from that list:

9) Northern Illinois
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I am not saying they should or would be at the top of the list, but for a conference in need of expanding their reach geographically, a hot, recently good school not far outside of Chicago would certainly make for an investment worth at least mentioning. Especially if we are mentioning Tulane (which BTW, New Orleans really no longer qualifies as a "good" market).

To be totally honest with you adcorbett, NIU did cross my mind...but quickly left when I thought of the following: If NIU isn’t dominating in fball (which wouldn’t happen in the B12), what does it have to offer? It has a very small fan base, small stadium, etc (get my point)….
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(10-24-2013 11:26 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-24-2013 11:16 AM)Underdog Wrote:  The following list is the G5 schools that I would consider (based solely on your question regarding building the B12's eastern footprint):

Call me crazy, but looking at that map, I can't help but to notice one name missing from that list:

9) Northern Illinois -

I am not saying they should or would be at the top of the list, but for a conference in need of expanding their reach geographically, a hot, recently good school not far outside of Chicago would certainly make for an investment worth at least mentioning. Especially if we are mentioning Tulane (which BTW, New Orleans really no longer qualifies as a "good" market).

I agree about Northern Illinois and coupled with Cincinnati gets West Virginia off that island.

Big 12 North
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Northern Illinois
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

Big 12 South
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor

Problem solved until B12 wants to go 14. 05-stirthepot
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(10-24-2013 11:26 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-24-2013 11:16 AM)Underdog Wrote:  The following list is the G5 schools that I would consider (based solely on your question regarding building the B12's eastern footprint):

Call me crazy, but looking at that map, I can't help but to notice one name missing from that list:

9) Northern Illinois -

I am not saying they should or would be at the top of the list, but for a conference in need of expanding their reach geographically, a hot, recently good school not far outside of Chicago would certainly make for an investment worth at least mentioning. Especially if we are mentioning Tulane (which BTW, New Orleans really no longer qualifies as a "good" market).

I don't see it. Facilities, budget, potential market share, and academics all favor Tulane. What happens when NIU has a bad coach? Nothing good.
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(10-24-2013 11:13 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-24-2013 10:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  As I said, I hadn't seen any summary of this year's ratings, but last year the Big 12 was almost even with the Big 10 and far ahead of the ACC and Pac 12.


Define "far" ahead of the PAC 12 and ACC last year?

Conference______ Games__Total Viewers_____ Avg Viewers**
Independent_______21_____93,629,000______4,458,524
SEC______________46____194,871,000______4,236,326
Big Ten___________40____154,154,000______3,853,850
Big 12____________28____101,425,000______3,622,321
ACC (non U*)_____22_____78,182,000_______3,553,727
PAC 12___________38____122,788,000______3,231,263
ACC (w/ESPNU)____27_____79,756,000_______2,953,926
MWC_____________7_____16,494,000_______2,356,286
Big East__________19_____43,796,000_______2,305,053
CUSA____________4_______6,656,000_______1,664,000
MAC_____________8______10,872,000_______1,359,000
WAC_____________7_______7,850,000_______1,121,429
Sunbelt___________6______6,216,000_______1,036,000
1AA_____________1________983,000_________983,000

They were ahead, but not by "that" much. And that was with the Big 12 having it's best year and the PAC 12 having a down year.

* ESPNU games have drastically lower ratings than nay other listed network. Taking out ESPNU games (only really affects the ACC, as the SEC had only 2 U games, and the PAC had 1) gives a more accurate reflection of ratings when compared across the platforms.

**Note that these numbers are only national TV games, but do not include any games on F/X which carried both Big 12 and PAC 12 games last year, but their ratings were not archived for some reason.

Texas didn't have a particularly good year. OU was not great. It was a good balanced year, but a year when a Big 12 team might not have made an 8 team playoff and certainly wouldn't have made a 4 team playoff. Pac 12 had one of their better years in the last few.

And it looks like they are pretty well ahead, about 12.5%, a similar gap to that between the SEC and Big 10.
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(10-24-2013 11:47 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(10-24-2013 11:26 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-24-2013 11:16 AM)Underdog Wrote:  The following list is the G5 schools that I would consider (based solely on your question regarding building the B12's eastern footprint):

Call me crazy, but looking at that map, I can't help but to notice one name missing from that list:

9) Northern Illinois -

I am not saying they should or would be at the top of the list, but for a conference in need of expanding their reach geographically, a hot, recently good school not far outside of Chicago would certainly make for an investment worth at least mentioning. Especially if we are mentioning Tulane (which BTW, New Orleans really no longer qualifies as a "good" market).

I don't see it. Facilities, budget, potential market share, and academics all favor Tulane. What happens when NIU has a bad coach? Nothing good.

I totally agree with you S11…. If NIU isn’t dominating the B12 in fball (Which isn’t happening—period), it has nothing to offer the conference. Consequently, it didn’t make my list. NIU is to be commended for what it has accomplished, but it isn’t close to being B12 material….
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(10-24-2013 11:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-24-2013 11:13 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-24-2013 10:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  As I said, I hadn't seen any summary of this year's ratings, but last year the Big 12 was almost even with the Big 10 and far ahead of the ACC and Pac 12.


Define "far" ahead of the PAC 12 and ACC last year?

Conference______ Games__Total Viewers_____ Avg Viewers**
Independent_______21_____93,629,000______4,458,524
SEC______________46____194,871,000______4,236,326
Big Ten___________40____154,154,000______3,853,850
Big 12____________28____101,425,000______3,622,321
ACC (non U*)_____22_____78,182,000_______3,553,727
PAC 12___________38____122,788,000______3,231,263
ACC (w/ESPNU)____27_____79,756,000_______2,953,926
MWC_____________7_____16,494,000_______2,356,286
Big East__________19_____43,796,000_______2,305,053
CUSA____________4_______6,656,000_______1,664,000
MAC_____________8______10,872,000_______1,359,000
WAC_____________7_______7,850,000_______1,121,429
Sunbelt___________6______6,216,000_______1,036,000
1AA_____________1________983,000_________983,000

They were ahead, but not by "that" much. And that was with the Big 12 having it's best year and the PAC 12 having a down year.

* ESPNU games have drastically lower ratings than nay other listed network. Taking out ESPNU games (only really affects the ACC, as the SEC had only 2 U games, and the PAC had 1) gives a more accurate reflection of ratings when compared across the platforms.

**Note that these numbers are only national TV games, but do not include any games on F/X which carried both Big 12 and PAC 12 games last year, but their ratings were not archived for some reason.

Texas didn't have a particularly good year. OU was not great. It was a good balanced year, but a year when a Big 12 team might not have made an 8 team playoff and certainly wouldn't have made a 4 team playoff. Pac 12 had one of their better years in the last few.

And it looks like they are pretty well ahead, about 12.5%, a similar gap to that between the SEC and Big 10.

These numbers are revealing nonetheless. Only geography holds the PAC in a secure position. The Big 10 and SEC are secure because of their popularity on the tube.

What the numbers really reveal is why having the most profitable brand in the NCAA and another in the top 10 is no longer enough to remain viable at the highest levels, and why having the largest footprint with the most potential viewers isn't enough if your product can't get those in your own footprint to watch.

The result is that eventually instability will arise out of these disparities.
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(10-24-2013 11:39 AM)Underdog Wrote:  If NIU isn’t dominating in fball (which wouldn’t happen in the B12), what does it have to offer? It has a very small fan base, small stadium, etc (get my point)….

(10-24-2013 11:47 AM)S11 Wrote:  I don't see it. Facilities, budget, potential market share, and academics all favor Tulane. What happens when NIU has a bad coach? Nothing good.

I didn't say they are the top or best candidate. I am just saying if Tulane is on the list, then NIU at least deserves to be on the list for evaluation.
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(10-24-2013 11:56 AM)bullet Wrote:  And it looks like they are pretty well ahead, about 12.5%, a similar gap to that between the SEC and Big 10.

It's also only 1.9% ahead of the ACC who had an awful year, following several awful years.
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(10-24-2013 12:35 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-24-2013 11:39 AM)Underdog Wrote:  If NIU isn’t dominating in fball (which wouldn’t happen in the B12), what does it have to offer? It has a very small fan base, small stadium, etc (get my point)….

(10-24-2013 11:47 AM)S11 Wrote:  I don't see it. Facilities, budget, potential market share, and academics all favor Tulane. What happens when NIU has a bad coach? Nothing good.

I didn't say they are the top or best candidate. I am just saying if Tulane is on the list, then NIU at least deserves to be on the list for evaluation.

I get your point and agree that NIU should be on the list; especially when reconsidering the following proposal:

(10-24-2013 11:43 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I agree about Northern Illinois and coupled with Cincinnati gets West Virginia off that island.

Big 12 North
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Northern Illinois
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

Big 12 South
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor

Problem solved until B12 wants to go 14. 05-stirthepot

At first, I thought this suggestion wasn’t practical until I considered the small population of cities certain B12 schools are located in:

Morgantown - City 31,000, Metro 129,709

Stillwater - City 46,560, Metro 78,399

Manhattan - City 52,281, Metro 113,629

Ames - City 58,965, Metro 60,634

Northern Illinois (DeKalb) – City 43,862, Metro 68,545

However, NIU needs to increase its fan base and stadium size for its inclusion into the B12 to be considered practical….
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The population of the cities in question matters little, when the schools in question have very large fanbases...
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(10-28-2013 01:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The population of the cities in question matters little, when the schools in question have very large fanbases...

True to a certain extent.... WV is a national brand in football, and K St isn't in either fball or bball. Consequently, if "Doomsday" for the B12 ever occurs, K St will likely end up in the MWC because of its small market while WV likely finds a home in the SEC. Each school's market, sports brand, and the networks value of each B12 school (other than TX and OU) will determine the fate of each despite their fanbase…..
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RE: Big 12 Mega-thread. (Doomsday theories and Luck/UCF rumors)
schools to a certain extent do get lots a local coverage/fan interest

the biggest factor though is the success of the program. and another factor being other sports teams in the area.

syracuse dominate's its local market in multiple sports and might as well be a pro sports team there

i respectfully disagree bitruner
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RE: Big 12 Mega-thread. (Doomsday theories and Luck/UCF rumors)
(10-28-2013 01:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  schools to a certain extent do get lots a local coverage/fan interest

the biggest factor though is the success of the program. and another factor being other sports teams in the area.

syracuse dominate's its local market in multiple sports and might as well be a pro sports team there

i respectfully disagree bitruner
If you're going to disagree with me (as usual - have we ever agreed on anything?), you should at least learn to get my name right. It's not like we don't know each other. If that's too difficult for you, bit works just as well... 03-nerner
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RE: Big 12 Mega-thread. (Doomsday theories and Luck/UCF rumors)
(10-28-2013 01:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 01:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  schools to a certain extent do get lots a local coverage/fan interest

the biggest factor though is the success of the program. and another factor being other sports teams in the area.

syracuse dominate's its local market in multiple sports and might as well be a pro sports team there

i respectfully disagree bitruner
If you're going to disagree with me (as usual - have we ever agreed on anything?), you should at least learn to get my name right. It's not like we don't know each other. If that's too difficult for you, bit works just as well... 03-nerner

lol

when i first saw your name i thought it was bitchruner

but anyways its been a month....im rusty.....so pardon me
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RE: Big 12 Mega-thread. (Doomsday theories and Luck/UCF rumors)
(10-28-2013 01:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 01:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-28-2013 01:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  schools to a certain extent do get lots a local coverage/fan interest

the biggest factor though is the success of the program. and another factor being other sports teams in the area.

syracuse dominate's its local market in multiple sports and might as well be a pro sports team there

i respectfully disagree bitruner
If you're going to disagree with me (as usual - have we ever agreed on anything?), you should at least learn to get my name right. It's not like we don't know each other. If that's too difficult for you, bit works just as well... 03-nerner
lol

when i first saw your name i thought it was bitchruner

but anyways its been a month....im rusty.....so pardon me
No problemo. Just don't let it happen again... 05-mafia 03-nerner

BTW, bitcruncher was a scientist that grew up on a neutron star. He only appeared on one page at the end of a book called "Dragon's Egg", by Robert L. Forward, who called the book a textbook on neutron star physics disguised as a science fiction novel. He died very quickly at the hands of the barbarian invaders he was trying to prevent from tearing down their civilization. It's one of my favorite books, since I'm a huge sci-fi buff...
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