(10-07-2013 03:48 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 02:30 PM)Niner National Wrote:  I don't know much about military equipment, but I know at one point they were having problems flying in sand. Was that ever resolved?

No matter what they fixed or didn't fix, the F22 program cannot be considered anything other than a tremendous failure.

I didn't even know we scrapped them for something new though.

"Flying in the sand"? Is that a serious question? If so, I've never heard anything about that.

The only reason the program is a failure is because it was cancelled before we saw any return (much like Constellation).

Obama cancelled EVERYTHING Bush did that could be viewed as beneficial out of SPITE. Not to hard to believe now eh?

Not literally in the sand, but in desert areas where sandstorms can occur.

Had heard sand gave them problems. It was several years ago, but I'm thinking it was in a Washington Post article?

(10-07-2013 02:15 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 01:56 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  We spend billions on F-22s.

The kicker? They are unable to fly in the rain.

Military Industrial Complex, anyone?

Wrong again. We SPENT (past tense) billions on the F22 for about 2 years, and then Obama got reelected.

Lockheed handed him a pile of money for his 2012 campaign so the fledgling F22 program was cancelled for the crappy F35 program, which made Lockheed Billions you referred to.

Oh, and F22s can fly in the rain. They had an oxygen problem which has been resolved, as I'm sure you knew but lied about.

Quote:The United States' top fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.

The aircraft's radar-absorbing metallic skin is the principal cause of its maintenance troubles, with unexpected shortcomings -- such as vulnerability to rain and other abrasion -- challenging Air Force and contractor technicians since the mid-1990s, according to Pentagon officials, internal documents and a former engineer.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-...e-pentagon

You dumb.

Lets' see... the people who made tons of money on a newly designed plane said they had "problems" with the most advanced piece of machinery every made, shortly before getting that new contract???

Y'all gullible.

(10-07-2013 07:55 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 02:15 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 01:56 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  We spend billions on F-22s.

The kicker? They are unable to fly in the rain.

Military Industrial Complex, anyone?

Wrong again. We SPENT (past tense) billions on the F22 for about 2 years, and then Obama got reelected.

Lockheed handed him a pile of money for his 2012 campaign so the fledgling F22 program was cancelled for the crappy F35 program, which made Lockheed Billions you referred to.

Oh, and F22s can fly in the rain. They had an oxygen problem which has been resolved, as I'm sure you knew but lied about.

Quote:The United States' top fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.

The aircraft's radar-absorbing metallic skin is the principal cause of its maintenance troubles, with unexpected shortcomings -- such as vulnerability to rain and other abrasion -- challenging Air Force and contractor technicians since the mid-1990s, according to Pentagon officials, internal documents and a former engineer.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-...e-pentagon

You dumb.

Let's see... A F-22 has Stealth, LPI Radar, SuperCruise engines, and has whacked F-15's at 6-1 engagements. RAM and RRM has always been a maintenance headache on the F-117, B-2. But you have to do it. As for Air Defense Intercept Missions over CONUS you don't need a 22. You can intercept with a F-15 or F-16.

A F-22 or B-2 is used to penetrate on the First Wave and take out critical targets. After the cruise missiles and first wave strikes then the F-15's can operate once the air defense is neutralized.