I watch Fox News 75% of the time.

(10-07-2013 07:21 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I watch Fox News 75% of the time.

Somehow I think that's a facetious comment.

I watch it some, not 75%. I probably watch it more than CNN or PBS or MSNBC or ABC/CBS/NBC, but probably about as much as all those others in total. Fox has one POV, the others all pretty much the same one, but different from Fox.

I actually think the Economist is my most reliable news source. They have biases too, but their biases are different from any US source, and that's refreshing.

Obviously, I'm not getting my issue framing that you commented about from Fox.

(10-06-2013 08:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/swi...37885.html

More than 100,000 residents in Switzerland have signed a petition demanding that the government ensure a minimum monthly income of nearly $2,800 (2,500 Swiss francs) for all adults in the country.

Good thing Switzerland has some hot women because this is a pretty dumb idea.

Switzerland has a population of almost 8 million. The US has a population of 314 million... The United States has more people getting free money than Switzerland has in their entire country.

Quote:Somehow I think that's a facetious comment.

Then you misread me. I want to know my areas of weakness. I want to know the other sides argument. There is no growth if you just hear from people who back your viewpoint. The other two are CNBC which just tells you how to try and profit from the viewpoint (not the opinion) and CNN. When I want to see how the other side feels I just watch FOX. It's repeated over here... time and time again. CNN's election night coverage in 2012 was superb btw.

The only thing I should have corrected is print media vs. TV. I suppose I get more of my viewpoint from print media, but when I watch TV I would say 75% of the time it's FOX.

(10-06-2013 11:20 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 01:23 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  If we make the minimum wage $30/hour, our lowest earners would be making about $60,000 per year.

Cool.

I don't see anyone wanting to move the wage up to $30/hour. I see some people wanting to move it up to around $10 and a few workers asking for $15(which they won't get).

Boy you're a tough one to fool.

(10-07-2013 07:21 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I watch Fox News 75% of the time.

Wow, I watch Fox News maybe 15% of the time.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Mach,
let me say things a bit differently.

The thing that makes Switzerland so close to a "libertarians dream" is that literally ANY proposal, no matter how poorly supported, has a shot at going to a referendum. That doesn't mean it necessarily has a prayer of passing... just that your voice, no matter how quiet, can be heard. You see, a Libertarian is someone who believes you should be able to do what you want, so long as you don't bother anyone else. You don't need 51% of the population to agree to let you do what you want... you merely need them to agree that what you want to do doesn't hurt them.

You've TRIED to use it to imply that "Switzerland" supports a monthly basic income... which isn't true at all. It is an untruth, also known as a lie. A small minority of them do... probably about the same minority by percentage in the US as support the same thing. The only difference is, it only takes about 10,000 signatures for a vote in Switzerland. If you don't like the description, then don't claim wild corollaries.

You've THEN used it to TRY and imply that Obamacare should be reasonable to a libertarian... even though as Owl has explained on numerous occasions, their system isn't anything LIKE Obamacare... and this isn't in ANY way related to it. I suppose calling it a lie is harsh, but surely you know this, right?

If you'd like to get educated on Obamacare, I'll be happy to discuss that with you. I already have in the "explain Obamacare" thread... and while certainly there have been plenty of names called in there, not one person has been able to remotely disprove my assertions.

Obamacare DOESN"T make sense because it does NOTHING to increase the supply of primary care, yet requires vastly more of it to accomplish any of its goals. Let's not even get into the funding side yet.

and I don't recall EVER watching Fox News.

(10-07-2013 08:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

Quote:Somehow I think that's a facetious comment.

Then you misread me. I want to know my areas of weakness. I want to know the other sides argument. There is no growth if you just hear from people who back your viewpoint. The other two are CNBC which just tells you how to try and profit from the viewpoint (not the opinion) and CNN. When I want to see how the other side feels I just watch FOX. It's repeated over here... time and time again. CNN's election night coverage in 2012 was superb btw.

The only thing I should have corrected is print media vs. TV. I suppose I get more of my viewpoint from print media, but when I watch TV I would say 75% of the time it's FOX.

In that case, you are pretty much practicing what I preach, which is probably one reason why you tend to be much more reasonable with your posts than do most of the other leftists on here. I say that last knowing full well that I called out a lie in this very thread. But that still doesn't get you anywhere near the others on here.