(10-08-2013 04:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 10:30 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  Ohio State has a tough road breaking into the national championship conversation because of the perceived weakness of the B1G this year and last. But as the season goes on, their impressive winning streak is going to get more and more attention and help them get more mindshare, IMO.

given their crap schedule and the name on the front of their uniform i think osu has as good a shot as anybody to make it to the national title game...I also think they will get destroyed in said title game but stranger things have happened.

I think Ohio St needs all but 1 of Alabama, Clemson, Florida St, Stanford, and Oregon to lose. And may need Oklahoma to lose as well. And heck, a 13-0 Missouri probably gets in as well ahead of them(they'd have wins over South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M, and then Alabama or LSU in the title game).

(10-08-2013 06:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 04:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 10:30 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  Ohio State has a tough road breaking into the national championship conversation because of the perceived weakness of the B1G this year and last. But as the season goes on, their impressive winning streak is going to get more and more attention and help them get more mindshare, IMO.

given their crap schedule and the name on the front of their uniform i think osu has as good a shot as anybody to make it to the national title game...I also think they will get destroyed in said title game but stranger things have happened.

I think Ohio St needs all but 1 of Alabama, Clemson, Florida St, Stanford, and Oregon to lose. And may need Oklahoma to lose as well. And heck, a 13-0 Missouri probably gets in as well ahead of them(they'd have wins over South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M, and then Alabama or LSU in the title game).

none of this matter anyway....cfb is starting to jump the shark. the national title game is really only a club for about a handful of schools and the rich getting richer poor getting poorer is about to widen even more. greed has caused the destruction of good conferences, good rivalries, teams being placed in conferences they have no business in (BC in the ACC, WVA in the B12, Maryland in the B1G) etc etc etc. The nfl and nba jumped the shark so i guess nobody should be surprised college football is about to. The only thing left that is cool, that people have a shot to win and that is fair for the most part is college hoops. too bad it doesn't drive the bus.

The other thing that happens is, the national title winner, because how college football is set up (same teams in the pre season polls, etc) the national title winner and the teams that go to the big money bowls are basically equivalent to a rich kid born on third base bragging to everyone how he hit a home run. It's really getting old actually. Then you have teams that have no merit whatsoever, but because of the luck of conference alignment years ago, get a seat at the big boy table and never do anything with it all the while sitting and acting like they are somebody (see half the B12, lower ACC teams, lower B1G teams, etc)....these same teams look down on the Cincy's, Houstons, ECU's, etc but the reality is Purdue, Wake, Iowa State, Wazzou, and a bunch of other teams would be in the SAME boat had the luck of the draw not been in their favor and they were part of the formation of these big conferences years and years ago before anybody cared about college sports.

I don't know why you guys think Ohio State would get destroyed in a NC game. It would probably be a Broncos-Cowboys (NFL) style shootout unless teams start playing better defense (Stanford, FSU perhaps?).

(10-08-2013 07:33 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  I don't know why you guys think Ohio State would get destroyed in a NC game. It would probably be a Broncos-Cowboys (NFL) style shootout unless teams start playing better defense (Stanford, FSU perhaps?).

LOL well we are just going off of the past few times they played an SEC for the national title. That and the Big 10 is overrated like usual and you will probably have another piss poor bowl showing....

(10-08-2013 07:33 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  I don't know why you guys think Ohio State would get destroyed in a NC game. It would probably be a Broncos-Cowboys (NFL) style shootout unless teams start playing better defense (Stanford, FSU perhaps?).

He is a Cincy fan. It is his "job" to go on boards and slam the Big Ten. Envy and all.

(10-08-2013 07:48 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 07:33 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  I don't know why you guys think Ohio State would get destroyed in a NC game. It would probably be a Broncos-Cowboys (NFL) style shootout unless teams start playing better defense (Stanford, FSU perhaps?).

He is a Cincy fan. It is his "job" to go on boards and slam the Big Ten. Envy and all.

What did say that was wrong? Has Ohio State not been crushed by the SEC in national title games? Has the Big 10 bowl record not been putrid most years in the past 10? Why would I be envious of that?

Historically, as poorly as tOSU has performed against the SEC (Michigan has done alright), I don't see them getting crushed at this point.

(10-08-2013 08:17 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  Historically, as poorly as tOSU has performed against the SEC (Michigan has done alright), I don't see them getting crushed at this point.

ive said that every time...I am not an OSU fan but I lived in Columbus for three years and have a lot of friends that are. I swore to them that the LSU game was 'their game' and also the 'florida game' would be 'their game'...both times Ohio State has looked like a bunch of monkeys while getting shredded. This year will be no different.

Bearcats… a long tradition of viciously living through Ohio States opponents.

(10-08-2013 08:27 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Bearcats… a long tradition of viciously living through Ohio States opponents.

that fan base is unbearable....you would to if you lived in or near them.

same can be said for UK basketball fans, just ask UofL fans.


UC has the extreme pleasure of being situated 90 miles south of O$U and 90 miles north of UK....so we get it from both ends.


all that aside reality is, OSU has laid some major egg vs the SEC in their last two National Title games...and I don't see it any different this year. The only thing going for OSU is, their schedule is so bad, we really don't know just how good or bad they are and its possible they are really good and could surprise Alabama. My guess is Bama by 21.

(10-09-2013 08:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 08:27 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Bearcats… a long tradition of viciously living through Ohio States opponents.

that fan base is unbearable....you would to if you lived in or near them.

same can be said for UK basketball fans, just ask UofL fans.

UC has the extreme pleasure of being situated 90 miles south of O$U and 90 miles north of UK....so we get it from both ends.

all that aside reality is, OSU has laid some major egg vs the SEC in their last two National Title games...and I don't see it any different this year. The only thing going for OSU is, their schedule is so bad, we really don't know just how good or bad they are and its possible they are really good and could surprise Alabama. My guess is Bama by 21.

My guess is that Ohio State doesn't get the chance to face Alabama, whether it's because Alabama finally loses an SEC game, or the Buckeyes get beaten out by somebody else for the chance. Either way, it's no for the Buckeyes. The B1G is really weak this year...

(10-08-2013 06:46 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 06:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 04:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 10:30 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  Ohio State has a tough road breaking into the national championship conversation because of the perceived weakness of the B1G this year and last. But as the season goes on, their impressive winning streak is going to get more and more attention and help them get more mindshare, IMO.

given their crap schedule and the name on the front of their uniform i think osu has as good a shot as anybody to make it to the national title game...I also think they will get destroyed in said title game but stranger things have happened.

I think Ohio St needs all but 1 of Alabama, Clemson, Florida St, Stanford, and Oregon to lose. And may need Oklahoma to lose as well. And heck, a 13-0 Missouri probably gets in as well ahead of them(they'd have wins over South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M, and then Alabama or LSU in the title game).

none of this matter anyway....cfb is starting to jump the shark. the national title game is really only a club for about a handful of schools and the rich getting richer poor getting poorer is about to widen even more.

Actually, if you are a school from a smaller conference, things are far better for you now (in terms of media money, exposure, opportunities to play in bowls) than it was 25 years ago. The BCS has been the best thing that ever happened to schools that are not traditional powers.

(10-09-2013 08:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 08:27 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Bearcats… a long tradition of viciously living through Ohio States opponents.

that fan base is unbearable....you would to if you lived in or near them.

same can be said for UK basketball fans, just ask UofL fans.


UC has the extreme pleasure of being situated 90 miles south of O$U and 90 miles north of UK....so we get it from both ends.


all that aside reality is, OSU has laid some major egg vs the SEC in their last two National Title games...and I don't see it any different this year. The only thing going for OSU is, their schedule is so bad, we really don't know just how good or bad they are and its possible they are really good and could surprise Alabama. My guess is Bama by 21.

I agree OSU didn't really belong playing Florida or LSU in either of those games, but you need to remember that this is a totally different and new program OSU has. Its Urban and his staff not Jim. They have recruited different types of players then Jim did so who knows how they would play against the SEC this year. I personally feel Oregon is the number 1 team in the nation with Alabama, OSU, and Stanford (Maybe FSU too) about equal for the number 2 spot.

Its not OSU's fault that the big ten isn't good and its not overrated because everyone knows its not good. But, OSU did go on the road and beat a tough Northwestern team, beat Wisco at home, and will play the biggest rivalry game in the country on the road against a top 25 team. And still a bad big ten team in Illinois did whoop up on our bearcats.

I don't get why bearcat fans love to rip OSU so much.

(10-09-2013 11:04 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 08:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 08:27 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Bearcats… a long tradition of viciously living through Ohio States opponents.

that fan base is unbearable....you would to if you lived in or near them.

same can be said for UK basketball fans, just ask UofL fans.


UC has the extreme pleasure of being situated 90 miles south of O$U and 90 miles north of UK....so we get it from both ends.


all that aside reality is, OSU has laid some major egg vs the SEC in their last two National Title games...and I don't see it any different this year. The only thing going for OSU is, their schedule is so bad, we really don't know just how good or bad they are and its possible they are really good and could surprise Alabama. My guess is Bama by 21.

I agree OSU didn't really belong playing Florida or LSU in either of those games, but you need to remember that this is a totally different and new program OSU has. Its Urban and his staff not Jim. They have recruited different types of players then Jim did so who knows how they would play against the SEC this year. I personally feel Oregon is the number 1 team in the nation with Alabama, OSU, and Stanford (Maybe FSU too) about equal for the number 2 spot.

Its not OSU's fault that the big ten isn't good and its not overrated because everyone knows its not good. But, OSU did go on the road and beat a tough Northwestern team, beat Wisco at home, and will play the biggest rivalry game in the country on the road against a top 25 team. And still a bad big ten team in Illinois did whoop up on our bearcats.

I don't get why bearcat fans love to rip OSU so much.

dude Illinois isn't very good...we just suck worse. did you see what nebraska did to illinois?

(10-09-2013 08:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 08:27 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Bearcats… a long tradition of viciously living through Ohio States opponents.

that fan base is unbearable....you would to if you lived in or near them.

same can be said for UK basketball fans, just ask UofL fans.


UC has the extreme pleasure of being situated 90 miles south of O$U and 90 miles north of UK....so we get it from both ends.


all that aside reality is, OSU has laid some major egg vs the SEC in their last two National Title games...and I don't see it any different this year. The only thing going for OSU is, their schedule is so bad, we really don't know just how good or bad they are and its possible they are really good and could surprise Alabama. My guess is Bama by 21.

My neighbor is a Cincinnati grad, he doesn't dare talk about college football to us Buckeye fans.

He knows his place.

I have to defend Ohio State in their bowl record. They have been to 9 BCS games since the system started. They are 6-3 in those games. Of the losses, 1 was a nail biter against Texas (when everyone thought Texas was going to win). The other two were embarrassing performances in national title games, but the overall record still is one of the best out there including among SEC schools.

Even in the bad showings, too much is made of the performance. In 2008, we were only there because the only other 1 loss team available was a Kansas squad which lost its last game to Missouri. In virtually no other year in BCS history would we have made that game and against a healthy LSU we were clearly the inferior team (although we didn't get demolished like we did vs. Florida).

In 2007, we got demolished by Florida no question. We have to live with that. Let's not sell that team short though. That Ohio State team started the year by soundly beating Texas in Austin in Colt McCoy's first year (Texas would win the Red River Shootout and be in the conference drivers seat until Colt McCoy went out injured and Texas lost its last two games). It beat Michigan in a fantastic game (although not as close as the score indicated) and was all but crowned by the media as having already won the national championship by beating Michigan. After they let that get to theirs heads, Ted Ginn Jr. went down on the very first play of the game. Meanwhile Florida, very nearly lost to Vanderbilt toward the end of the season. None of this being offered as an excuse. Florida deserved to be crowned champs and Ohio State should be criticized for not showing up there. That said, that was still an Ohio State team that would have been favored over Florida most weeks in the regular season and the team is somewhat to easily dismissed.

(10-07-2013 08:50 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Honestly, I'd be Ok if we got left out behind an undefeated Alabama and an undefeated Oregon. If an undefeated OSU gets left out behind a 1-loss team, then yeah there will be a lot of whining.

Much of that will depend on who you would beat in the BTCCG, vs. a 1 loss SEC team beating an undefeated SEC team. Maybe the same could be said in the PAC this year.

Won't help OSU if you are playing a 2-3 loss team in the CGC.

(10-08-2013 07:48 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 07:33 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  I don't know why you guys think Ohio State would get destroyed in a NC game. It would probably be a Broncos-Cowboys (NFL) style shootout unless teams start playing better defense (Stanford, FSU perhaps?).

He is a Cincy fan. It is his "job" to go on boards and slam the Big Ten. Envy and all.

Most college football fans are going to think that OSU can't beat Alabama or LSU in a national title game, not about Cincy fans at all. It is the prevailing thought across the Country.

Over the past 40 plus years the Big has 2 titles, both by OSU. (Michigan had a shared title back in the 97 season just before the BCS). In the BCS era the Big has 1 title.

The Big is a very solid P5 football conference, but since 1971 (date check)
that conference has 1 title, OSU 2002-03 season.

(10-09-2013 11:04 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 08:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 08:27 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Bearcats… a long tradition of viciously living through Ohio States opponents.

that fan base is unbearable....you would to if you lived in or near them.

same can be said for UK basketball fans, just ask UofL fans.


UC has the extreme pleasure of being situated 90 miles south of O$U and 90 miles north of UK....so we get it from both ends.


all that aside reality is, OSU has laid some major egg vs the SEC in their last two National Title games...and I don't see it any different this year. The only thing going for OSU is, their schedule is so bad, we really don't know just how good or bad they are and its possible they are really good and could surprise Alabama. My guess is Bama by 21.

I agree OSU didn't really belong playing Florida or LSU in either of those games, but you need to remember that this is a totally different and new program OSU has. Its Urban and his staff not Jim. They have recruited different types of players then Jim did so who knows how they would play against the SEC this year. I personally feel Oregon is the number 1 team in the nation with Alabama, OSU, and Stanford (Maybe FSU too) about equal for the number 2 spot.

After watching the Northwestern game, I would favor Alabama, Oregon, LSU or FSU by at least 10 points over OSU. I'd favor TAMU and Georgia by at least 5 points over OSU too. OSU's ranking is inflated by the soft schedule. If you played LSU's schedule, you'd lose at least 3 games.

(10-09-2013 03:55 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Florida deserved to be crowned champs and Ohio State should be criticized for not showing up there. That said, that was still an Ohio State team that would have been favored over Florida most weeks in the regular season and the team is somewhat to easily dismissed.

In 2006, the SEC had not yet started its long title-game winning streak and OSU was being touted as one of the great teams ever. Michigan came within a fraction of a computer point of getting a rematch against OSU in the title game over Florida.

There was nothing fluky or OSU "not showing up" about that title game. Florida exposed the B1G and if they played that game 10 times the same thing would happen about 8-9 of those times. Florida's defense was far too fast and athletic for that Heisman-winning QB to do against them what they did against B1G competition.