(10-08-2013 11:09 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  For every Va Tech example, I can provide a half dozen dozen counter examples (all the Louisiana directional schools, Marshall, UMass). There are only 12 schools that "arguably" are profitable.

JMU is more like Va Tech than any other school in the land (university location, alumni location, student base, etc). If there is one school trajectory we should care about it is them.

Phlegm, if you only want a school that offers academics with very minor athletics presence, then go teach at Mary Baldwin or Washington and Lee. Oh wait you don't care about that you just want the increased fees to fund your salary raise instead of a bigger Bridgeforth (benefits students, alumni and community) new Convo (benefits students, alumni and community) and move to FBS (benefits everyone). It only matters how in benefits you!

Or is it because you're scared that 'them damn foreigner teachers are taking over'? Is that still keeping you up at night, buddy?

I think budget wise, as long as you avoid the dumb***, graft ridden, corrupt bowl system, you can come out ok. Go to one bowl though, and you are millions in the hole.

Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

(10-08-2013 02:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

Agree here. I can have as much fun at a bowl as I did at the national championship game all those years ago.

(10-08-2013 02:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

I tried to use the FedEx game as an indication of how I'd view a bowl and I loved it. Got to spend some time in DC, saw fans of both teams walking around in gear. It was a lot of fun.

(10-08-2013 02:49 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

Agree here. I can have as much fun at a bowl as I did at the national championship game all those years ago.

If that is true, we had very different experiences at that game.

(10-08-2013 02:56 PM)NovaDukes Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:49 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

Agree here. I can have as much fun at a bowl as I did at the national championship game all those years ago.

If that is true, we had very different experiences at that game.

Well, let's see. Played golf in the early afternoon. Hit a downtown bar for happy few hours, swung by the store for some party supplies. Hung out in the pavilion for a few hours before the game. Watched a Dukes win, stormed the field and hugged strangers, went back to some downtown bars till late night, finished up in some classmates hotel room. Watched a sunrise.

Anything I missed that's message board appropriate? Anything I can't do on my trip to the BBVA Compass bowl?

(10-08-2013 02:52 PM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

I tried to use the FedEx game as an indication of how I'd view a bowl and I loved it. Got to spend some time in DC, saw fans of both teams walking around in gear. It was a lot of fun.

+1 and 70% of the turf did not come off the field during the game like chatty, former home of the better than a bowl fcs NC.

(10-08-2013 03:04 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:56 PM)NovaDukes Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:49 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

Agree here. I can have as much fun at a bowl as I did at the national championship game all those years ago.

If that is true, we had very different experiences at that game.

Well, let's see. Played golf in the early afternoon. Hit a downtown bar for happy few hours, swung by the store for some party supplies. Hung out in the pavilion for a few hours before the game. Watched a Dukes win, stormed the field and hugged strangers, went back to some downtown bars till late night, finished up in some classmates hotel room. Watched a sunrise.

Anything I missed that's message board appropriate? Anything I can't do on my trip to the BBVA Compass bowl?

I think the part about JMU winning a National Championship is the only thing you missed. A National Championship is a little more important to me that the BBVA Compass bowl. Not that I wouldn't go and support the team.

(10-08-2013 03:05 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:52 PM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

I tried to use the FedEx game as an indication of how I'd view a bowl and I loved it. Got to spend some time in DC, saw fans of both teams walking around in gear. It was a lot of fun.

+1 and 70% of the turf did not come off the field during the game like chatty, former home of the better than a bowl fcs NC.

No, unfortunately the turf came off during the Redskins playoff game 4 months later

(10-08-2013 03:08 PM)NovaDukes Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 03:04 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:56 PM)NovaDukes Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:49 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 02:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

Agree here. I can have as much fun at a bowl as I did at the national championship game all those years ago.

If that is true, we had very different experiences at that game.

Well, let's see. Played golf in the early afternoon. Hit a downtown bar for happy few hours, swung by the store for some party supplies. Hung out in the pavilion for a few hours before the game. Watched a Dukes win, stormed the field and hugged strangers, went back to some downtown bars till late night, finished up in some classmates hotel room. Watched a sunrise.

Anything I missed that's message board appropriate? Anything I can't do on my trip to the BBVA Compass bowl?

I think the part about JMU winning a National Championship is the only thing you missed. A National Championship is a little more important to me that the BBVA Compass bowl. Not that I wouldn't go and support the team.

I hear you. I guess I feel like I heard from a bunch of people who called about JMU winning the 1-AA championship. I think I would hear from the same amount if JMU won a bowl game. I guess nine years later I focus on the fun weekend much more so than the national championship. I'm ready to create some more fun weekends.

The FCS Championship is great for us and the people who follow other FCS teams, but let's not beat around the bush and act like anyone not affiliated with FCS really cares.

Most people didn't realize it, but even Chris Fowler had a snarky shot at FCS last weekend. Gameday was doing their roundup of predictions and one of the games was UNI vs. NDSU Fowler led with "It's a heated rivalry at the FCS level....so they say to us" before introducing the game. Guess Fowler didn't want people to think he knew too much about FCS football.

Snarky is a good word, but hey, they actually had a prediction for a FCS game - and one that didn't involve a HBCU at that. Go figure.

(10-08-2013 02:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Why does everyone hate bowls so much?

I get it, the New Orleans Bowl isn't the Rose Bowl but bowl's are entertaining to watch. You can't tell me that the game means nothing to the kids, coaches and fans either. It's the opportunity to end the season with a win and it gives your team more exposure than any FCS playoff game short of the semi-finals would. Bowls still draw decent ratings and many people play the Bowl Pick'em Challenge.

Cut the # of bowls in half like they use to be and get rid of 6-6 and 7-5 teams in bowls (which are usually 5-6 and 6-5 vs I-A + a I-AA win), make it so only 8 win teams from the Big 5 conferences, and 9-10 win teams from the other conferences, go, and maybe people wouldn't hate them so much. Its the GD everyone gets a trophy mentality...

I'm neither pro nor anti moving up. But I know the reality is JMU has outgrown I-AA and will move up within the next year or few years. That being said, I'm not giving additional $$ (beyond increase ticket and parking prices) for JMU to host a BCS every other year and strive to go make a toilet bowl every season. Doesn't mean that much to me..

(10-08-2013 04:27 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  I'm neither pro nor anti moving up. But I know the reality is JMU has outgrown I-AA and will move up within the next year or few years. That being said, I'm not giving additional $$ (beyond increase ticket and parking prices) for JMU to host a BCS every other year and strive to go make a toilet bowl every season. Doesn't mean that much to me..

Way to stand up and proudly proclaim that you are part of the problem. If all you want is the occasional BCS home game and a toilet bowl, then by all means, do not give more money. If you actually want success at the FBS level, then you better plan on giving more. We already have plenty of athletic funding to reach the toilet bowl level. If you're ok at that level, then so be it.

I'm not ok at that level, and I plan to dramtically increase my athletic giving to help the Dukes succeed at the FBS level if we ever make a move. For us to become more than decent at the FBS level and advance to a stronger conference, we are going to need strong presidential leadership and good coaching, but just as importantly, we will need increased non-fee revenue. I plan to be part of the solution.

(10-08-2013 03:08 PM)NovaDukes Wrote:  I think the part about JMU winning a National Championship is the only thing you missed. A National Championship is a little more important to me that the BBVA Compass bowl. Not that I wouldn't go and support the team.

I would take it a step further to say that I care more about any FBS game than I do about an FCS national championship. A win over Akron would have meant more to me than the FCS championship, which means nearly nothing to me. So we were the tallest midget in 2004? Awesome. The fact is, JMU had no business playing FCS football then, and we certainly don't today. It is completely and totally meaningless to me. In fact, I only care about our FCS results at all, because I want to establish a reputation that makes us more appealing to FBS conferences. If we aren't going to move to FBS, I would like to see us drop football altogether.

I would rather see us attempt to compete at the appropriate level and lose than continue to cower and avoid competition.

As someone who has been to multiple bowl games: I would say the players, coaches, and fans definitely treat them as if they were playoff games. The hitting is clearly ramped up a notch or two from the regular season, and for those 3-4 hours that game matters a whole hell of a lot.

I wonder if all of the people on this board that claim bowls are meaningless have ever actually been to one?

I personally would be very excited to see JMU play in a bowl, whatever bowl that may be. I would do my best to travel every time we were selected, especially to a warm weather one.

(10-09-2013 06:12 AM)rufus Wrote:  The fact is, JMU had no business playing FCS football then, and we certainly don't today. It is completely and totally meaningless to me. In fact, I only care about our FCS results at all, because I want to establish a reputation that makes us more appealing to FBS conferences. If we aren't going to move to FBS, I would like to see us drop football altogether.

I would rather see us attempt to compete at the appropriate level and lose than continue to cower and avoid competition.

Rant ahem, post of the year! Seriously, good stuff.

(10-09-2013 07:41 AM)NYJMUPIKE Wrote:  As someone who has been to multiple bowl games: I would say the players, coaches, and fans definitely treat them as if they were playoff games. The hitting is clearly ramped up a notch or two from the regular season, and for those 3-4 hours that game matters a whole hell of a lot.

I wonder if all of the people on this board that claim bowls are meaningless have ever actually been to one?

I personally would be very excited to see JMU play in a bowl, whatever bowl that may be. I would do my best to travel every time we were selected, especially to a warm weather one.

You couldn't even finish your post without putting a stipulation on traveling. Not singling you out but this is how many fans feels about bowl games. Other good excuses are spending holiday time with the family instead of traveling for football or the cost to fly to some of these places. It ain't cheap to go to the Hawaii Bowl or even the New Mexico Bowl.

The bowl numbers speak for themselves. It's a money drain on the schools that participate and fans largely don't give a crap about the games. Sure we would the first or second time we made a bowl but we would become spoiled kids pretty quickly like other teams are.