(10-06-2013 12:37 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 10:03 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  This video in itself shows the difference between Brady, Keener, and Dillard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uT7IJ9OJNU

"We're here to win for almost two decades of not being in this game."

As a 1994 alum, I really appreciate that from Brady!

Lots of coaches are dicks, but players play for them. Brady is smart and he's won.

Matt is a great basketball coach. He was cursed by injuries for a long time. Finally healthy, the Dukes went dancing. The locals don't like him because he doesn't live in Harrisonburg and he speaks with a northern accent. The Andre Nation situation sucks... not like Lefty did not have his share of idiots.

Matt is everywhere during our football games. I have been impressed. He's doing his part to mingle with the crowds. We spoke briefly several times and is easily approachable.

Not moving away from fcs = dumping gas on the fan base and lighting a match, Alger undestands this but has to be political to get the job done.

Some people need to get out of rockingham county once in a while, the world is not flat people.

(10-05-2013 09:40 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I stood outside of the club level by the bar/rail the entire game. it was a glorious afternoon. But here is what happened: time after time I overheard groups of fans discussing the Carr report. Every time and every person (literally "every") that I overheard said the same thing: "I hope we don't move up." Their reasoning always went something like this: "why mess up a good thing?" or "I hate to see us struggle during a time of transition." All bad reasoning IMO.
The overwhelming majority of folks on this board want to move up, and that is my desire. Should this be a concern? Will most of these folks simply jump on board? I assume they are donors and dedicated fans. Will this type of reasoning have any say in the long run, or does the Carr report negate that type of thought? They are entitled to an opionion, but will it matter? Should it matter?

I was hearing the same thing at the game. In fact, someone, whose family gives a boat load of money to JMU and has their name scribed on the playing field, posted something on facebook suggesting the same thing. I wonder if the sentiments of staying is more of a local feel versus others who are not locals? Not sure.

I think the 'good' thing is: Saturday games, accessible tailgate, reasonable priced 'suite' level and some football. Move up and we get some mid-week games and prices likely will increase. I don't get the thinking but, this is what i think it is.

The high-rollers may prefer the 'event' more than the result. In an FCS world 6-5 seasons are struggling - it may keep a coaching job, but nevr get to the playoffs. Also, if you want to talk about winning in a diluted CAA - this season looks like it for Football.

(10-06-2013 09:24 AM)JMU_Rocks! Wrote:  I think the 'good' thing is: Saturday games, accessible tailgate, reasonable priced 'suite' level and some football. Move up and we get some mid-week games and prices likely will increase. I don't get the thinking but, this is what i think it is.

The high-rollers may prefer the 'event' more than the result. In an FCS world 6-5 seasons are struggling - it may keep a coaching job, but nevr get to the playoffs. Also, if you want to talk about winning in a diluted CAA - this season looks like it for Football.

The mid-week game is highly overblown. If we went to the MAC, there would probably be one mid-week home game per year. Go look at their schedules. People make it out like they play every game on Wednesday. I think I could take one day off per year for a game.

As for these people who don't want to move up, they should move out. Their boatloads of money will fall far short of what will come in after a move up. What is it? Must be ego. You don't want to see better football? What the hell sense does that make? You don't want anyone there besides you? That's just embarrassing. Look, stealing a line from The Departed, being in the club level doesn't add inches to your ****. And BTW, NOBODY is giving boatloads of money to JMU Athletics. You look at the big programs around the country and they'll get $50-100 million gifts. The University of Washington just did a $250 million stadium renovation and when is the last time they've won anything? We act like we built some cathedral of football with $62 million. TCU raised $164 million to renovate their stadium. Cal put $321 million into Memorial Stadium. That's boatloads. Where were these people with boatloads of money when we got outbid for a playoff game by a school that had 26 people show up?

(10-05-2013 09:40 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I stood outside of the club level by the bar/rail the entire game. it was a glorious afternoon. But here is what happened: time after time I overheard groups of fans discussing the Carr report. Every time and every person (literally "every") that I overheard said the same thing: "I hope we don't move up." Their reasoning always went something like this: "why mess up a good thing?" or "I hate to see us struggle during a time of transition." All bad reasoning IMO.
The overwhelming majority of folks on this board want to move up, and that is my desire. Should this be a concern? Will most of these folks simply jump on board? I assume they are donors and dedicated fans. Will this type of reasoning have any say in the long run, or does the Carr report negate that type of thought? They are entitled to an opionion, but will it matter? Should it matter?

first of all being in the club level doesn't equal hard core fan, or even fan that is in the know, or connected. Many are there because they have the money, or they are given tickets by friends, or their company. I don't hear any talk like that in the section that I sit in. I agree with " I will hate to watch us struggle as we move up", but just as a general statement, and not a true reason as to why we shouldn't move up. I don't know in what context it was said. By the way those "fans" that love FCS so much should have been cheering for the FCS matchup happening in front of them. This is why I don't go to the club level when I get invited anymore.

I only ever got club level tickets to an NFL game once and after the first quarter said "Get me the hell out of here, I want to watch football" and went to my seats in the upper deck. It was awful. Felt like I was watching the game at a wedding or something.

(10-06-2013 10:35 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I only ever got club level tickets to an NFL game once and after the first quarter said "Get me the hell out of here, I want to watch football" and went to my seats in the upper deck. It was awful. Felt like I was watching the game at a wedding or something.

exactly. Air conditioning, catering, and flat screens? Just stay home

As the late great Bill Veeck once said: The knowledge of the fans is inversely proportional to the price of the seats. Which is why when he was owner of the St. Louis Browns, Cleveland Indians and Chicago White Sox he always used to sit in the bleachers (when they had them!!). He would say that the true and knowledgeable fans were in those seats, not the expensive ones behind home plate.

Brian

I attended the game yesterday with three professors, 2 art and 1 psychology.
All tenured Phd (I think).

I asked the psych prof directly next to me, "what do you think of the Carr report?" His response, "what is the Carr report?" I then commented that I'm glad JMU will be getting a new Convo. Psych professor comment on new Convo, "why do we need a new Convo?"

These are great people, great educators in their fields but they don't follow sports and they don't understand the connection between sports & alum & donations. They have no idea what fcs or fbs even means... To them it was a nice day to be outside, the tickets were free and travel was a 5 minute walk from our homes to BFS.

Dude, are you in that neighborhood adjoining greek row? I would love to live there & be able to walk to games.

(10-06-2013 12:40 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Dude, are you in that neighborhood adjoining greek row? I would love to live there & be able to walk to games.

I have a condo in Alexandria (where I work) and I have a Harrisonburg house in the neighborhood, Old Town. I'm technically a townie, when in school and now. I can see the BFS press box from my front yard. It is very nice on Fall Saturdays, my walk from home is shorter than the walk from my parking lot assignment. I can hear the band practice every night while enjoying a vodka on my deck watching the sun set over West Virginia.

Not bad!

My biggest issue with FBS is the bowl system itself. I have many reasons that I do not like the bowl system. Even the "mini playoff" that is being instituted at that level next season is still an outsourcing of the college football post season. These bowl organizations insulate themselves from financial losses by requiring participating schools to pay for a huge block of tickets at inflated prices versus market demand and very pricey accommodations for an extended period of time before the game.

All of the issues that were brought to light in "Death to the BCS" and the work of PlayoffPAC still exist, except for the fact that there is now a "plus one" game. But even that "plus one" game is another instance of all of the other issues.

My personal opinion and views are absolutely going to have zero impact on JMU's decision to have it's football program at the Championship or Bowl subdivision, and that will make many of you happy.

(10-06-2013 12:57 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Not bad!

If you're referrting to me, I agree. I have an independent wife so she does not mind being in Hburg alone during the week which allows me to earn a DC wage and maintain a house in a much lower cost of living H'burg. By Thursday night I'm ready to get out of DC and go "to my country house." Hburg is much more livable now that the restaurant and shopping choices have gotten better.

a few years ago my choices were what I've got or full tilt move to DC for a job. In DC, the same house I live in now would costs $900,000. In Hburg a decent home can cost from $280,000 to $400,000. I feel like I got a house, a condo and saved cash. My marriage is better, let's face it, with 10+ years in, time away is a good thing for both husband and wife.

Yeah man. Not a bad situation if you & the missus can make that work.

(10-06-2013 01:40 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Yeah man. Not a bad situation if you & the missus can make that work.

Skype me baby, and I'm there...

P.S. I don't have kids which is a different kettle of fish altogether

(10-06-2013 12:38 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I attended the game yesterday with three professors, 2 art and 1 psychology.
All tenured Phd (I think).

I asked the psych prof directly next to me, "what do you think of the Carr report?" His response, "what is the Carr report?" I then commented that I'm glad JMU will be getting a new Convo. Psych professor comment on new Convo, "why do we need a new Convo?"

These are great people, great educators in their fields but they don't follow sports and they don't understand the connection between sports & alum & donations. They have no idea what fcs or fbs even means... To them it was a nice day to be outside, the tickets were free and travel was a 5 minute walk from our homes to BFS.

Which is why the faculty senate is a joke.

(10-06-2013 01:58 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 12:38 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I attended the game yesterday with three professors, 2 art and 1 psychology.
All tenured Phd (I think).

I asked the psych prof directly next to me, "what do you think of the Carr report?" His response, "what is the Carr report?" I then commented that I'm glad JMU will be getting a new Convo. Psych professor comment on new Convo, "why do we need a new Convo?"

These are great people, great educators in their fields but they don't follow sports and they don't understand the connection between sports & alum & donations. They have no idea what fcs or fbs even means... To them it was a nice day to be outside, the tickets were free and travel was a 5 minute walk from our homes to BFS.

Which is why the faculty senate is a joke.

You have a lot to learn if you feel the faculty senate is a joke.