This should be a big media day for Stoss and Selig, I anticipate many tweets from them.

(10-04-2013 09:50 AM)Potomac Wrote:  It makes me feel good that Carr will be present at the faculty senate meeting to discuss the topic with them and answer questions. An excellent decision by our leaders.

I also think it's a good indication of Alger's greater vision for the university.

(10-04-2013 09:53 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  This should be a big media day for Stoss and Selig, I anticipate many tweets from them.

Yep. First day in a long time that Twitter's staying open all day on my browser.

don't expect many tweets until the report is released. I'm hearing nothing is going to be said today from anyone at JMU.

i'm not sure what Stoss, et al, will have to tweet about except comments on the report when it comes out.

I would be shocked if any decision is made in the next month. Everything that I have heard from the administration is that the Carr Report represents the "beginning" of a university-wide discussion. While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

1. They made a decision to come to JMU here based on our current athletic situation (FCS).
2. They have generally not supported athletics in any demonstrable way that I have seen, other than the bus trip to the CAA MBB Final that got them out of classes.

Other than 1 BoV member and the 100 or so posters here (and maybe the ghosts that will begin supporitng the school if we move up), I just don't see the (financial) support for the move.

BTW, the assumption is that Carr is going to recommend moving up. Do we have any confirmation that that is in fact the report's conclusion?

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  I would be shocked if any decision is made in the next month. Everything that I have heard from the administration is that the Carr Report represents the "beginning" of a university-wide discussion. While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

1. They made a decision to come to JMU here based on our current athletic situation (FCS).
2. They have generally not supported athletics in any demonstrable way that I have seen, other than the bus trip to the CAA MBB Final that got them out of classes.

Other than 1 BoV member and the 100 or so posters here (and maybe the ghosts that will begin supporitng the school if we move up), I just don't see the (financial) support for the move.

BTW, the assumption is that Carr is going to recommend moving up. Do we have any confirmation that that is in fact the report's conclusion?

I don't know a single student body at other schools that DIDN'T approve a move to FBS when the question was posed to them.

why would JMU students be any different?

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

Please explain your bolded comment above. Unless they've suddenly started paying 450+ kids each game, you're dead wrong.

(10-04-2013 10:02 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  don't expect many tweets until the report is released. I'm hearing nothing is going to be said today from anyone at JMU.

i'm not sure what Stoss, et al, will have to tweet about except comments on the report when it comes out.

Selig was a little active during the committee meeting, but that might be the extent of it.

I really thought there would be a substantive vote today and that wasn't just a guess on my part.

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  I would be shocked if any decision is made in the next month. Everything that I have heard from the administration is that the Carr Report represents the "beginning" of a university-wide discussion. While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

1. They made a decision to come to JMU here based on our current athletic situation (FCS).
2. They have generally not supported athletics in any demonstrable way that I have seen, other than the bus trip to the CAA MBB Final that got them out of classes.

Other than 1 BoV member and the 100 or so posters here (and maybe the ghosts that will begin supporitng the school if we move up), I just don't see the (financial) support for the move.

BTW, the assumption is that Carr is going to recommend moving up. Do we have any confirmation that that is in fact the report's conclusion?

Just curious, how would you see this? Has anyone surveyed any donors for a response? Are donors supposed to open their wallets on the assumption of a move?

Wrt. the Carr report, I think most assume because they said publicly that Liberty is ready, that they will say JMU is as well.

(10-04-2013 10:10 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

Please explain your bolded comment above. Unless they've suddenly started paying 450+ kids each game, you're dead wrong.

No kidding! I was wondering when that started!

(10-04-2013 10:10 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

Please explain your bolded comment above. Unless they've suddenly started paying 450+ kids each game, you're dead wrong.

Yea, after I read this the rest of the post was suspect.

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  I would be shocked if any decision is made in the next month. Everything that I have heard from the administration is that the Carr Report represents the "beginning" of a university-wide discussion. While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

1. They made a decision to come to JMU here based on our current athletic situation (FCS).
2. They have generally not supported athletics in any demonstrable way that I have seen, other than the bus trip to the CAA MBB Final that got them out of classes.

Other than 1 BoV member and the 100 or so posters here (and maybe the ghosts that will begin supporitng the school if we move up), I just don't see the (financial) support for the move.

BTW, the assumption is that Carr is going to recommend moving up. Do we have any confirmation that that is in fact the report's conclusion?

Many students at JMU are apathetic due to the "2nd tier" perception. Now, I will be the first to admit that the MAC/CUSA/SBC aren't first tier, but they ARE a step up over FCS/CAA.

In regards to finances, we have been over it ad nauseum. We already spend a boatload....a move to FBS is really AT MOST a 10-15% increase in spending. Really, the argument should be WHY are we spending so much to be in FCS?

a decade ago, the Duke Club brought in less than $500,000 a year. now, they bring in over $2,000,000 a year. that's a 400% increase.

all our suites are sold out with multi-year commitments.

why do people think we don't have financial support. it's mind boggling to me that some of you guys don't have faith in your school's administration, resources, support, etc.

commuter schools with NO support like Georgia State move up. Nearly bankrupt schools like Georgia Southern move up. the former Baptist university is desperately wanting to move up.....but we can't? C'mon. We absolutely can move up. And we will.

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  I would be shocked if any decision is made in the next month. Everything that I have heard from the administration is that the Carr Report represents the "beginning" of a university-wide discussion. While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

1. They made a decision to come to JMU here based on our current athletic situation (FCS).
2. They have generally not supported athletics in any demonstrable way that I have seen, other than the bus trip to the CAA MBB Final that got them out of classes.

Other than 1 BoV member and the 100 or so posters here (and maybe the ghosts that will begin supporitng the school if we move up), I just don't see the (financial) support for the move.

BTW, the assumption is that Carr is going to recommend moving up. Do we have any confirmation that that is in fact the report's conclusion?

Just because students came to an FCS university, doesn't mean they don't want an FBS team. Everyone has lots of friends at FBS schools that look down on JMU because of FCS football...or even some of the dumber students still root for Tech or UVA. To say that students wouldn't care if we moved up is ridiculous.

And there are tons of alums that will suddenly rediscover JMU because of moving to FBS.

From what I've heard it's an overwhelming recommendation to move up.

not that this should be a surprise to anyone, but we are the top board for traffic on the CSNBBS network today....i'm sure that'll be the case almost all day.

(10-04-2013 10:12 AM)Dignan Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:10 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

Please explain your bolded comment above. Unless they've suddenly started paying 450+ kids each game, you're dead wrong.

No kidding! I was wondering when that started!

It would've been a nice deal. I got one credit hour each semester I marched. We applied, and were denied, permission to use it as our "athletics" requirement (having to take one two-credit sports class to fulfill our degree). Because, you know, there's no physical aspect to 10+ hours/wk of marching all fall.

I think he mistakenly equated MRD's and pep band.

(10-04-2013 10:20 AM)QuinDuke Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:12 AM)Dignan Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:10 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

Please explain your bolded comment above. Unless they've suddenly started paying 450+ kids each game, you're dead wrong.

No kidding! I was wondering when that started!

It would've been a nice deal. I got one credit hour each semester I marched. We applied, and were denied, permission to use it as our "athletics" requirement (having to take one two-credit sports class to fulfill our degree). Because, you know, there's no physical aspect to 10+ hours/wk of marching all fall.

Pep Band gets paid, MRDs do not. MRDs do get 2 credit hour compensation now for their time though but we don't have the funds to pay 485 members for an entire season. Pep band met for the first time on Tuesday and Chad told us we don't even have the funds to have pep band play at volleyball games this year.

(10-04-2013 10:27 AM)itGoesJMU Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:20 AM)QuinDuke Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:12 AM)Dignan Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:10 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:04 AM)Phlegmish Wrote:  While faculty will definitely need to be swayed, I still have no sense that the current students (other than the MRDs who are paid to attend athletic events) care much one way or another:

Please explain your bolded comment above. Unless they've suddenly started paying 450+ kids each game, you're dead wrong.

No kidding! I was wondering when that started!

It would've been a nice deal. I got one credit hour each semester I marched. We applied, and were denied, permission to use it as our "athletics" requirement (having to take one two-credit sports class to fulfill our degree). Because, you know, there's no physical aspect to 10+ hours/wk of marching all fall.

Pep Band gets paid, MRDs do not. MRDs do get 2 credit hour compensation now for their time though but we don't have the funds to pay 485 members for an entire season. Pep band met for the first time on Tuesday and Chad told us we don't even have the funds to have pep band play at volleyball games this year.

Pep band plays at volleyball games!?

Actually I think marching band is now a 2 credit course. My older daughter always said they should get at least one credit just for getting the uniform on right each game!!

If the MRD's are being paid, I am having a serious conversation this afternoon with the younger daughter. I want to know where the dough is going!!!

I agree with jmufan2008, I think the previous poster meant the Pep Band.

Brian