(09-28-2013 09:42 PM)owen Wrote:  I was no Beckman fan...

But he is looking pretty darn good right now.

Campbell was conidered the worst hire in America by some media outlets. Not saying he is or he isn't, but I think he is definitely wet behind the ears.

I don't like watching anybody cut their teeth with (arguably) the best program with most consistent fan support and best facilities in the MAC.

Anyways, the real point was, Campbell ain't no Beckman!

Praise GOD for that!!! GO ROCKETS!!

I really think the program is in good hands with Campbell as coach.

Rockets lost to a good Ball State team at their place. Nothing cool about that, but lord knows we've lost in Muncie before to teams that probably weren't as good.

The sky isn't falling, folks.

(09-28-2013 09:42 PM)owen Wrote:  I was no Beckman fan...

But he is looking pretty darn good right now.

Campbell was conidered the worst hire in America by some media outlets. Not saying he is or he isn't, but I think he is definitely wet behind the ears.

I don't like watching anybody cut their teeth with (arguably) the best program with most consistent fan support and best facilities in the MAC.

Anyways, the real point was, Campbell ain't no Beckman!

You mean by CBS? And who was on their list the year before? The Ball St coach.

An argument doesn't gain credibility by quoting idiocy. It was just a list to create talk and sell an article. There was no logic in it.

I agree, he was the "player's choice." He added stability and worked out a whole lot better than that player's choice down at Columbus St. His job was to improve the D. He did what was needed to make that happen. That the O slipped? I think we're seeing that Page made the QBs look a bit better than they were. Owens had quite a fan base for his ability to hit receivers in stride. His difficulties this year? I'm not sure how to assign those.

(09-29-2013 12:15 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(09-28-2013 10:12 PM)DSV27 Wrote:  

(09-28-2013 09:42 PM)owen Wrote:  I was no Beckman fan...

But he is looking pretty darn good right now.

Campbell was conidered the worst hire in America by some media outlets. Not saying he is or he isn't, but I think he is definitely wet behind the ears.

I don't like watching anybody cut their teeth with (arguably) the best program with most consistent fan support and best facilities in the MAC.

Anyways, the real point was, Campbell ain't no Beckman!

He is over his head without question. An experienced coach would have flourished with the talent this year. Way too many young inexperiences coaches on the staff.

I have no way of knowing what is discussed in coaches' meetings and have no idea how practices go, but I have a couple of thoughts.

If I were MOB, I would be having a meeting with Campbell to discuss the concerns with the football program with him.

I would address the following from today's game: the PI penalties, Reedy's second unsportsmanlike conduct penalty of the season, and the unproductive play of the offense. In interviews, he is personally shouldering the blame for most of those things, which is understandable as the leader to take the fall publicly. However, I would ask him who he is holding accountable privately for those issues with the answer not allowed to be him. In the interviews he talks in terms such as "I need to better coach my players, etc." but he has all these position coaches that should be doing that. I may be way off base but I think his buddy is the offensive coordinator and it may not be easy to make the necessary changes in that position because of relationships. Is that why we are continuing to see the same struggling offense this year that we saw last year? Is he holding himself accountable but not his assistants? Is he the one out there personally correcting the DBs, Reedy, etc. or is that just talk for the public?

I feel we have a ton of talent on the team and only Coaches Tuke, Ayeni, Watson, and Rasheed know how to utilize and prepare them for games. Unfortunately, the others are putting these coaches in bad situations.

I have faith that Campbell can be a really good HC but I think that is going to be dependent upon whether or not he keeps his current OC as his OC (who happens to also be the WR coach...ie dropsies and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties). Maybe WR Coach/Recruiting Extraordinaire would be a better fit and the staff gets an OC with experience?

Coach Campbell has only coached 19 games as a HC. So, don't tell me how great Beckman was. If, it wasn't for Campbell being the OC, Beckman would have lost more games at Toledo, then he won. Beckman's defense was terrible. When he left Toledo, the defense was giving up 28 pts., per game. You cannot judge anyone on only 19 games. I guess you haven't looked at the schedule this year, 4 out of 5 games have been on the road, not like BG, who has played 4 out of 5 at home against weak teams. Get things straight before you tell me how great Beckman is.

(10-02-2013 02:19 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 12:15 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(09-28-2013 10:12 PM)DSV27 Wrote:  

(09-28-2013 09:42 PM)owen Wrote:  I was no Beckman fan...

But he is looking pretty darn good right now.

Campbell was conidered the worst hire in America by some media outlets. Not saying he is or he isn't, but I think he is definitely wet behind the ears.

I don't like watching anybody cut their teeth with (arguably) the best program with most consistent fan support and best facilities in the MAC.

Anyways, the real point was, Campbell ain't no Beckman!

He is over his head without question. An experienced coach would have flourished with the talent this year. Way too many young inexperiences coaches on the staff.

I have no way of knowing what is discussed in coaches' meetings and have no idea how practices go, but I have a couple of thoughts.

If I were MOB, I would be having a meeting with Campbell to discuss the concerns with the football program with him.

I would address the following from today's game: the PI penalties, Reedy's second unsportsmanlike conduct penalty of the season, and the unproductive play of the offense. In interviews, he is personally shouldering the blame for most of those things, which is understandable as the leader to take the fall publicly. However, I would ask him who he is holding accountable privately for those issues with the answer not allowed to be him. In the interviews he talks in terms such as "I need to better coach my players, etc." but he has all these position coaches that should be doing that. I may be way off base but I think his buddy is the offensive coordinator and it may not be easy to make the necessary changes in that position because of relationships. Is that why we are continuing to see the same struggling offense this year that we saw last year? Is he holding himself accountable but not his assistants? Is he the one out there personally correcting the DBs, Reedy, etc. or is that just talk for the public?

I feel we have a ton of talent on the team and only Coaches Tuke, Ayeni, Watson, and Rasheed know how to utilize and prepare them for games. Unfortunately, the others are putting these coaches in bad situations.

I have faith that Campbell can be a really good HC but I think that is going to be dependent upon whether or not he keeps his current OC as his OC (who happens to also be the WR coach...ie dropsies and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties). Maybe WR Coach/Recruiting Extraordinaire would be a better fit and the staff gets an OC with experience?

Coach Campbell has only coached 19 games as a HC. So, don't tell me how great Beckman was. If, it wasn't for Campbell being the OC, Beckman would have lost more games at Toledo, then he won. Beckman's defense was terrible. When he left Toledo, the defense was giving up 28 pts., per game. You cannot judge anyone on only 19 games. I guess you haven't looked at the schedule this year, 4 out of 5 games have been on the road, not like BG, who has played 4 out of 5 at home against weak teams. Get things straight before you tell me how great Beckman is.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...where did I talk about how great Beckman was? And where did I have things mismatched?

(10-02-2013 02:19 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 12:15 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(09-28-2013 10:12 PM)DSV27 Wrote:  

(09-28-2013 09:42 PM)owen Wrote:  I was no Beckman fan...

But he is looking pretty darn good right now.

Campbell was conidered the worst hire in America by some media outlets. Not saying he is or he isn't, but I think he is definitely wet behind the ears.

I don't like watching anybody cut their teeth with (arguably) the best program with most consistent fan support and best facilities in the MAC.

Anyways, the real point was, Campbell ain't no Beckman!

He is over his head without question. An experienced coach would have flourished with the talent this year. Way too many young inexperiences coaches on the staff.

I have no way of knowing what is discussed in coaches' meetings and have no idea how practices go, but I have a couple of thoughts.

If I were MOB, I would be having a meeting with Campbell to discuss the concerns with the football program with him.

I would address the following from today's game: the PI penalties, Reedy's second unsportsmanlike conduct penalty of the season, and the unproductive play of the offense. In interviews, he is personally shouldering the blame for most of those things, which is understandable as the leader to take the fall publicly. However, I would ask him who he is holding accountable privately for those issues with the answer not allowed to be him. In the interviews he talks in terms such as "I need to better coach my players, etc." but he has all these position coaches that should be doing that. I may be way off base but I think his buddy is the offensive coordinator and it may not be easy to make the necessary changes in that position because of relationships. Is that why we are continuing to see the same struggling offense this year that we saw last year? Is he holding himself accountable but not his assistants? Is he the one out there personally correcting the DBs, Reedy, etc. or is that just talk for the public?

I feel we have a ton of talent on the team and only Coaches Tuke, Ayeni, Watson, and Rasheed know how to utilize and prepare them for games. Unfortunately, the others are putting these coaches in bad situations.

I have faith that Campbell can be a really good HC but I think that is going to be dependent upon whether or not he keeps his current OC as his OC (who happens to also be the WR coach...ie dropsies and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties). Maybe WR Coach/Recruiting Extraordinaire would be a better fit and the staff gets an OC with experience?

Coach Campbell has only coached 19 games as a HC. So, don't tell me how great Beckman was. If, it wasn't for Campbell being the OC, Beckman would have lost more games at Toledo, then he won. Beckman's defense was terrible. When he left Toledo, the defense was giving up 28 pts., per game. You cannot judge anyone on only 19 games. I guess you haven't looked at the schedule this year, 4 out of 5 games have been on the road, not like BG, who has played 4 out of 5 at home against weak teams. Get things straight before you tell me how great Beckman is.

Never thought he was great.
That was the point.

Toledo is right where they are supposed to be this year.
So I guess Campbell didn't either coach them up or down.
They are accomplishing right about what they should given the schedule and the make up of this team.

Maybe Campell will turn out alright.
We'll see...