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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 03:14 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 11:35 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 10:44 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Those that went along with the hiring of Neal Callaway are just as responsible for the current state of UAB's football program as Watson Brown.
The day he was hired is when we officially "kissed the ring". UAB went along with the BOT's wishes and got NOTHING in return. Our leaders are still kissing their @ss and we still got nothing. If UAB had cared about what the UA BOT wanted there wouldn't be Blazer athletics, much less football. Our fortunes will turn around when somebody in a leadership role grows a spine.

Surely you can make the distinction between living to fight another day and completely selling one's soul. Even more, those who backed down did so for the program to live to fight another day...not just themselves. Watson actively secured the backing of a man who had made no secret of his disdain for our entire athletics department solely to save his ass. If you think Mackin, Garrison, et. al. should have pursued some course other than what they did, you're welcome to your opinion. But there is not even the tiniest of similarities between their actions and Watson's.

Pure, and total, BS. Backing down did nothing positive for the program. Backing down made this program into the worst in C-USA and one of the worst in the nation. UAB is still paying for the craven nature of its leadership.

Backing down is why we still have a program. It's why we have a chance at all to improve and let things like an OCS come in due time. The program is bigger than, and will survive, those who've angled for a chance to kill it...but not if someone had risked it in some idiotic Pickett's Charge. It would have made us feel good, we would have gotten to yell and scream, and then - regardless of the outcome - our entire athletics program would have been dismantled piece by bloody piece until nothing was left. If you think that's bull**** then you're too young or clueless to be arguing the point.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-27-2013 03:10 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  One can only speculate what improvements of Watson Brown's record might have happened if the facility upgrade in Callaway's first year had been done in the mid or late 1990s instead of after he left. It just may work out that after the passage of time and the cooling of passions, we may realize that Coach Brown did much better with his given situations and facility limitations than many gave him credit for at the time. First some coach will have to do better than Brown at some point yet to come.

After what he did to Sullivan over the mtsu job I will never respect him as a coach or person.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 04:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 03:14 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 11:35 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 10:44 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Those that went along with the hiring of Neal Callaway are just as responsible for the current state of UAB's football program as Watson Brown.
The day he was hired is when we officially "kissed the ring". UAB went along with the BOT's wishes and got NOTHING in return. Our leaders are still kissing their @ss and we still got nothing. If UAB had cared about what the UA BOT wanted there wouldn't be Blazer athletics, much less football. Our fortunes will turn around when somebody in a leadership role grows a spine.

Surely you can make the distinction between living to fight another day and completely selling one's soul. Even more, those who backed down did so for the program to live to fight another day...not just themselves. Watson actively secured the backing of a man who had made no secret of his disdain for our entire athletics department solely to save his ass. If you think Mackin, Garrison, et. al. should have pursued some course other than what they did, you're welcome to your opinion. But there is not even the tiniest of similarities between their actions and Watson's.

Pure, and total, BS. Backing down did nothing positive for the program. Backing down made this program into the worst in C-USA and one of the worst in the nation. UAB is still paying for the craven nature of its leadership.

Backing down is why we still have a program. It's why we have a chance at all to improve and let things like an OCS come in due time. The program is bigger than, and will survive, those who've angled for a chance to kill it...but not if someone had risked it in some idiotic Pickett's Charge. It would have made us feel good, we would have gotten to yell and scream, and then - regardless of the outcome - our entire athletics program would have been dismantled piece by bloody piece until nothing was left. If you think that's bull**** then you're too young or clueless to be arguing the point.

I appreciate your reference to Pickett's Charge. Here is a quote from General Pickett himself.

Years later, when asked why his charge at Gettysburg failed, General Pickett replied: "I've always thought the Yankees had something to do with it."
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 04:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  Backing down is why we still have a program. It's why we have a chance at all to improve and let things like an OCS come in due time. The program is bigger than, and will survive, those who've angled for a chance to kill it...but not if someone had risked it in some idiotic Pickett's Charge. It would have made us feel good, we would have gotten to yell and scream, and then - regardless of the outcome - our entire athletics program would have been dismantled piece by bloody piece until nothing was left. If you think that's bull**** then you're too young or clueless to be arguing the point.

I'm neither, just not gullible enough to buy the excrement you've been selling as a narrative on here for years. Like the "foundation" that Callaway was building. Now it's that the program was heroically saved by hiring Callaway. It was crap then and seven years later it's still crap.

The Callaway hire was and continues to be a disaster for UAB. Football was inconsistent and mediocre before Neal Callaway. He made it into a laughingstock.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 06:15 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 04:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  Backing down is why we still have a program. It's why we have a chance at all to improve and let things like an OCS come in due time. The program is bigger than, and will survive, those who've angled for a chance to kill it...but not if someone had risked it in some idiotic Pickett's Charge. It would have made us feel good, we would have gotten to yell and scream, and then - regardless of the outcome - our entire athletics program would have been dismantled piece by bloody piece until nothing was left. If you think that's bull**** then you're too young or clueless to be arguing the point.

I'm neither, just not gullible enough to buy the excrement you've been selling as a narrative on here for years. Like the "foundation" that Callaway was building. Now it's that the program was heroically saved by hiring Callaway. It was crap then and seven years later it's still crap.




watch it they will ban you for saying this

The Callaway hire was and continues to be a disaster for UAB. Football was inconsistent and mediocre before Neal Callaway. He made it into a laughingstock.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
I'm beginning to think that might not be a bad thing.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
It wouldn't have mattered who we hired after Watson, just like it doesn't matter who we hired after Callaway.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
Yes, he did set the foundation for both! That foundation was HOW TO LOSE!!! Worse hire Bartow ever made. And McGee looks like the same for Mackin.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 06:15 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 04:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  Backing down is why we still have a program. It's why we have a chance at all to improve and let things like an OCS come in due time. The program is bigger than, and will survive, those who've angled for a chance to kill it...but not if someone had risked it in some idiotic Pickett's Charge. It would have made us feel good, we would have gotten to yell and scream, and then - regardless of the outcome - our entire athletics program would have been dismantled piece by bloody piece until nothing was left. If you think that's bull**** then you're too young or clueless to be arguing the point.

I'm neither, just not gullible enough to buy the excrement you've been selling as a narrative on here for years. Like the "foundation" that Callaway was building. Now it's that the program was heroically saved by hiring Callaway. It was crap then and seven years later it's still crap.

The Callaway hire was and continues to be a disaster for UAB. Football was inconsistent and mediocre before Neal Callaway. He made it into a laughingstock.

A HUGE +1. We are still dead in the water, and have become a complete laughingstock, leading back to that hire.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-27-2013 03:07 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(09-27-2013 01:23 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  His record of 62-74 at UAB looks pretty good compared to what has taken place since he left (22-53).

We weren't losers until Watson made us losers.

AMEN!
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 08:19 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  
(09-27-2013 03:07 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(09-27-2013 01:23 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  His record of 62-74 at UAB looks pretty good compared to what has taken place since he left (22-53).

We weren't losers until Watson made us losers.

Okay. With respect to D1, we weren't winners either.

I know you don't like Watson Brown. Unfortunately, he has been our most successful football coach to date.

Your wrong. We played D1-AA before Watson arrived for 2 years and had winning records beating some very good teams. Jim Hilyer is and was the most successful football coach to date and is just ashame and a sham that he didn't get the chance to take the program further. We would be a heck of alot better off today.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
Dr Jim Hilyer and his wife who coached kickers were very successful coaching the club team and then the early nonscholarship teams. Of course we were playing teams of similar team makeup like Clinch Valley State. Those were the days of players getting taped for a game while sitting on the tailgate of Hilyer's pick up truck.

Whether we would have done better under him after UAB had to go up to D1 in 1996 without the needed infrastructure that our opponents had but we didn't, is all conjecture. Some used to say we would be better off with ANYONE other than Brown and then we got Callaway and found that to not to be true.

I hope to live long enough to get an objective - no axe to grind- history of UAB athletics and how it developed from "scratch" under Coach Bartow..
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(You're wrong, not your wrong)
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(09-30-2013 09:53 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  (You're wrong, not your wrong)

Grammar Nazi II is with us.
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(09-30-2013 09:53 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  (You're wrong, not your wrong)

Sorry didn't know we were having grammar lessons today. LOL
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-29-2013 11:40 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Dr Jim Hilyer and his wife who coached kickers were very successful coaching the club team and then the early nonscholarship teams. Of course we were playing teams of similar team makeup like Clinch Valley State. Those were the days of players getting taped for a game while sitting on the tailgate of Hilyer's pick up truck.

Whether we would have done better under him after UAB had to go up to D1 in 1996 without the needed infrastructure that our opponents had but we didn't, is all conjecture. Some used to say we would be better off with ANYONE other than Brown and then we got Callaway and found that to not to be true.

I hope to live long enough to get an objective - no axe to grind- history of UAB athletics and how it developed from "scratch" under Coach Bartow..

Hilyer did have scholarships the last 2 years of his tenure and they played and beat some pretty good teams i.e. Dayton who had won 48 games until we beat them and then again the next year when their home game winning streak was broken by UAB. Butler University was beaten by UAB when they had the leading rusher in the nation. Hasting College who was ranked 3 in NAIA. You make it sound like they played bad teams. I think they did pretty damn good and they had NO facilities. The biggest thing they had was something that teams since that time haven't had and that is HEART and that begins with coaching.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
Hilyer wasn't just some knumbnut coach either - he had coaching stints in college & pro under some good coaches so I think he was a very viable coach to lead us into D1 but we had to take someone else to lead us into D1 & that turned into Watson
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-30-2013 06:33 PM)gadblaze Wrote:  
(09-30-2013 09:53 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  (You're wrong, not your wrong)

Sorry didn't know we were having grammar lessons today. LOL

Punctuation has failed you as well. Question, are posters allowed to use bad grammar since it is just an internet message board?
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 06:15 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 04:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  Backing down is why we still have a program. It's why we have a chance at all to improve and let things like an OCS come in due time. The program is bigger than, and will survive, those who've angled for a chance to kill it...but not if someone had risked it in some idiotic Pickett's Charge. It would have made us feel good, we would have gotten to yell and scream, and then - regardless of the outcome - our entire athletics program would have been dismantled piece by bloody piece until nothing was left. If you think that's bull**** then you're too young or clueless to be arguing the point.

I'm neither, just not gullible enough to buy the excrement you've been selling as a narrative on here for years. Like the "foundation" that Callaway was building. Now it's that the program was heroically saved by hiring Callaway. It was crap then and seven years later it's still crap.

The Callaway hire was and continues to be a disaster for UAB. Football was inconsistent and mediocre before Neal Callaway. He made it into a laughingstock.

Completely agree.

How in their right mind can anyone romanticize the debacle that was Neil callaway? If he truly "laid a great foundation for the program," why has McGee's record sucked so bar so far?
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