Shown by year, 1) National Champion/coach and 2) runner up/coach.

Note:Starting in 2013-2014 Connecticut is the only non-P5 School to have won a National Championship after 2000, and Butler and Memphis are the only non-P5 schools to finish second since 2000. This truly shows how strong the Power 5 conferences really are! And Syracuse is now in the ACC and Louisville joins the ACC in 2014.

2000
1) Michigan State/Tom Izzo Big 10
2) Florida/Billy Donovan SEC
2001
1) Duke/Mike Krzyzewski ACC
2) Arizona/Lute Olson PAC 12
2002
1)Maryland/Gary Williams ACC
2)Indiana/Mike Davis Big 10
2003
1) Syracuse/Jim Boeheim Big East
2) Kansas/Roy Williams Big 12
2004
1)Connecticut/Jim Calhoun Big East
2) George Tech/Paul Hewitt ACC
2005
1) North Carolina/Roy Williams ACC
2) Illinois/Bruce Weber Big 10
2006
1) Florida/Billy Donovan SEC
2) UCLA/Ben howland PAC 12
2007
1) Florida/Billy Donovan SEC
2) Ohio State/Thad Matta Big 10
2008
1) Kansas/Bill Self Big 12
2) Memphis/John Calipari CUSA
2009
1) North Carolina/Roy Williams ACC
2) Michigan State/Tom Izzo Big 10
2010
1) Duke/Mike Krzyzewski ACC
2) Butler/Brad Stevens Horizon
2011
1)Connecticut/Jim Calhoun Big East
2) Butler/Brad Stevens Horizon
2012
1) Kentucky/John Calipari SEC
2) Kansas/Bill Self Big 12
2013
1) Louisville/Rick Pitino Big East
2) Michigan/John Beilien Big 10

How's this, Willie: since 1980, current or future ACC teams have won the national championship more often (14 times) than they have failed to make the championship game (13 times)!



(note: for more in-depth analysis, see ACC Basketball Tradition, part 1 and History through realigned eyes on my ACCBasketballRx blog)

(09-24-2013 12:02 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Butler is only non-P5 school to finish second since 2000.

Memphis?

(09-24-2013 07:09 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 12:02 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Butler is only non-P5 school to finish second since 2000.

Memphis?

I guess, I should edit that.

(09-24-2013 04:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  How's this, Willie: since 1980, current or future ACC teams have won the national championship more often (14 times) than they have failed to make the championship game (13 times)!



(note: for more in-depth analysis, see ACC Basketball Tradition, part 1 and History through realigned eyes on my ACCBasketballRx blog)

Excellent

P.S. I know some will get mad at this statement, but the ACC should add Connecticut.

(09-24-2013 04:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  How's this, Willie: since 1980, current or future ACC teams have won the national championship more often (14 times) than they have failed to make the championship game (13 times)!

I'm counting 12 wins, not 13. (Doesn't make sense to include Syracuse and Louisville and still include Maryland.) And then that makes 14 "failed".

(09-24-2013 11:26 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 04:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  How's this, Willie: since 1980, current or future ACC teams have won the national championship more often (14 times) than they have failed to make the championship game (13 times)!

I'm counting 12 wins, not 13. (Doesn't make sense to include Syracuse and Louisville and still include Maryland.) And then that makes 14 "failed".

I agree you can't count UofL and Maryland. Going off Mark's chart above (which didn't include 2013):
4- UNC, Duke
3- UofL
1- Syracuse, NC State
13 Total not including Maryland

So 2013 isn't included in the list. That makes 13. I knew my count was right.

(09-25-2013 09:35 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  So 2013 isn't included in the list. That makes 13. I knew my count was right.

If the ACC were to add Connecticut, the count would be 16 times.

It would also make it only 12 times that a team didn't make it at all.

That said there is a such thing as too much of a good thing. The Old Big East got better as an overall league when the top 3 weren't as overbearing. Historically speaking with four programs so much at the top, it is likely that some middle tier programs will suffer, like they did in the Big East, unless the middle tier programs bring the historically top tier programs back to earth. To an extent I think that will happen with UNC and Duke, who will not enjoy the overwhelming regular season success they have in the past, with the additions of Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Louisville strengthening the middle and top tiers on a year in, year out basis.

(09-25-2013 10:39 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  It would also make it only 12 times that a team didn't make it at all.

That said there is a such thing as too much of a good thing. The Old Big East got better as an overall league when the top 3 weren't as overbearing. Historically speaking with four programs so much at the top, it is likely that some middle tier programs will suffer, like they did in the Big East, unless the middle tier programs bring the historically top tier programs back to earth. To an extent I think that will happen with UNC and Duke, who will not enjoy the overwhelming regular season success they have in the past, with the additions of Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Louisville strengthening the middle and top tiers on a year in, year out basis.

Fortunately, some of those teams will only play each other once during the regular season - thus keeping the losses under control. But I agree that you CAN have too many good teams (in any sport).

(09-24-2013 08:30 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 07:09 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 12:02 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Butler is only non-P5 school to finish second since 2000.

Memphis?

I guess, I should edit that.

The NCAA already did that for you

(09-25-2013 12:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Fortunately, some of those teams will only play each other once during the regular season - thus keeping the losses under control. But I agree that you CAN have too many good teams (in any sport).

In the Big East you only played 3 teams twice. Didn't matter. The year when Louisville, UConn, and Pitt were all number one seeds, with the middle tier still top 4 seeds, the bottom HALF of the conference got hammered. That's what I am referring to. Two years later, when there was no number 1 seed level team 11 teams got in the tournament, with the ninth place team winning it all.