I have compiled a list analyzing all college basketball programs in the top 9 conference (ACC, American, Big East, B1G, Big 12, PAC 12, SEC, MWC, and A-10) since 2000.

Here is the methodology:
Conference Regular Season Title (3 points)- If tie all get the 5 points
Conference Tournament Title (2 points)
NCAA Tournament Bid (3 points)
Ends in Sweet 16 (5 points)
Ends in Elite 8 (8 points)
Ends in Final Four (13 points)
Ends in Title Game (20 points)
National Champion (27 points)

*If the conference won was not a top 9 league at the time, the school was awarded half the value. (I considered C-USA 00-04 with UC, UofL and Marquette to be in the top 9).*

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Here is the top 25:



Big East:



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Big East: Marquette and Georgetown figure to hang around where they are, huge upticks in the recruiting at Providence, St. Johns and Seton Hall should improve those three respectively.

Expansion candidates: Dayton (T-69), St. Louis (T-65) and VCU(39).

I would have the conference tourney be worth as much if not more than the regular season title. Folks remember the conference tourney a lot more than the regular season...

also, I'm sorry but a final 4 trip is not equal to a regular season conference championship at all. Not even remotely close. folks hate to hear it, but March is how college basketball is judged now.

Revised.

Motion to add an additional point to VCU's Final 4 run (hey...we won an extra game). I agree with Stever though. As impressive as UNC Wilmington's 2006 CAA regular season title was...that George Mason run to the Final 4 might have topped it. You'll certainly hear about it more.

Nice to see my Rams so high on that list though!

Looks as though your methodology is both flawed and shows chronic bias in favor of "name schools" in C-USA and with Butler/VCU.

why not use the methodology used in the Top programs of the last 50 years (ESPN) ranking - less arbitrariness in the points allotment. no sense in trying to recreate the wheel.

The AAC has no record, no history, as it is a new conference. It is merely "projected" as a potential top 10 conf for the upcoming season.

UConn, L'ville, others were in the BE. Since you are discussing team records - use their old conference affiliations.

Butler was not in a top 9 conference when it made it's 2 FF runs. Last year was their sole season in a top 9 conference.
VCU is in the same boat - only 1 year in a top 9 conference.

The Missouri Valley has consistently been a top 9 or better conference.
CUSA has consistently been ranked 10 - 12th rated conference.

This listing is seriously flawed.

(09-22-2013 07:09 PM)gtmoBlue Wrote:  Looks as though your methodology is both flawed and shows chronic bias in favor of "name schools" in C-USA and with Butler/VCU.

why not use the methodology used in the Top programs of the last 50 years (ESPN) ranking - less arbitrariness in the points allotment. no sense in trying to recreate the wheel.

The AAC has no record, no history, as it is a new conference. It is merely "projected" as a potential top 10 conf for the upcoming season.

UConn, L'ville, others were in the BE. Since you are discussing team records - use their old conference affiliations.

Butler was not in a top 9 conference when it made it's 2 FF runs. Last year was their sole season in a top 9 conference.
VCU is in the same boat - only 1 year in a top 9 conference.

The Missouri Valley has consistently been a top 9 or better conference.
CUSA has consistently been ranked 10 - 12th rated conference.

This listing is seriously flawed.

Memphis, Butler, VCU, Creighton, and Utah State received 0.5 of the value for all their conference titles and tourney wins.

Also, you can disregard the conference names, it doesn't change the rankings.

there is nothing to indicate the AAC will not be a top 10 conference. to act like they won't is comical.

I'm happy to report that the Friars should be at 6 points, not 4, for our two NCAA bids this century. I'm just gonna say that 5 points should be considered college basketball's Mendoza Line.

(09-22-2013 08:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  there is nothing to indicate the AAC will not be a top 10 conference. to act like they won't is comical.

Is there any significance in being "a top ten conference"?

Just asking.

This list shows that despite the amount of crap SHU gets for being awful (especially compared to SJU) it has been a solidly upper-mediocre program. Nothing to be proud of, but not a bottom feeder either.

(09-22-2013 01:46 PM)Common Sense Wrote:  *If the conference won was not a top 9 league at the time, the school was awarded half the value. (I considered C-USA 00-04 with UC, UofL and Marquette to be in the top 9).*

Did you look at conference RPI on a given year or just conference name? Also, sometimes there is a very narrow line between these conference's RPI, so for example using your methodology, Gonzaga winning the WCC last season (10th overall in conference RPI) was worth half the value of Creighton winning the Valley (9th) despite their conference RPI being a fraction of a percentage worse. Double the value seems like a major advantage for conferences 9 and up versus 10 and down. The Mountain West Conference had the highest RPI last season, followed by the Big 10, just one ranking a part, but was winning the Mountain West twice as impressive? If not, then I don't see how winning conference 9 versus conference 10 is so, or 10 v 11, 11 v 12, etc. Also with that, VCU's 2011 NCAA tournament bid out of the CAA is worth half the value of say for example USC's (the team they beat in the First 4 that season), despite both teams earning at-large bids out of their conference. So an at large out of the CAA is worth half as much as one out of the Pac 12.

Get back to work!

Looks like Common Sense was banned. No more getting back to work for him.