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RE: New enrollment numbers for 2013
(09-17-2013 09:34 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Last number I saw at Troy was 29k not sure what the most up to date numbers are.

the main campus is around 9k
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RE: New enrollment numbers for 2013
(09-19-2013 11:09 PM)TXST Bobcat2010 Wrote:  
(09-19-2013 03:09 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(09-19-2013 01:52 PM)slycat Wrote:  
(09-19-2013 01:31 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  
(09-19-2013 01:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I don't find that surprising. I think Texas State is 4th in enrollment behind those same 3 schools. With two large metro areas to recruit students, athletes, and alumni from---Texas State has the potential to become a significant power in the state.

We're actually still 5th in the state. We are just 653 students behind The University of North Texas. We should pass them in either the spring or in the fall of 2014. We're still about 5,000 behind Houston though. I'd like to see us get to about 45,000.

Fourth in applications not enrollment

based on the 2012 application numbers which can be found here

http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?s=T...&ct=1&ic=1

under admissions for the various universities Texas State would have to had about an 80% increase in applications to move into 4th

and while I will be the first to admit that website (being government) has false information and I can point to one instance of that right away it is more than likely a case of a keying mistake (or in this particular case a university that is known to present false information doing so)

either way 2012 applications listed on there are

UT 35,431

A&M 27,730

Texas Tech 18,027

north Texas state 17,140

UH 17,019

UTSA 14,650

Texas State 10,418


and just to be 100% clear number of applicants is really a meaningless number overall and to be even more clear the acceptance % of a university is a meaningless number as well since in the case of all these schools except UT and A&M when there is a guaranteed admissions system in place the only thing a lower acceptance % means is that you had a larger pool of unqualified applicants

acceptance % is one of the most abused and falsely used numbers in higher education because the number of applicants and the qualification of those applicants is 100% outside the control of the university period

and for the vast majority of state schools with guaranteed admissions policies in place they have to accept all that are qualified that apply and again there is no control by the university how many apply or how qualified they are

100% meaningless number period

what I would say does somewhat pertain to what is being discussed here is the number that were accepted that went ahead and decided to attend.....I believe the inference was that Texas State is becoming very popular and thus had a large number of applicants

I will agree 100% that Texas State is becoming very popular and I think what really shows that is the % of students that were accepted that enrolled

here is the % admitted that enrolled from the above list

UT 49%

A&M 44%

Texas Tech 39%

north Texas state 43%

UH 37%

UTSA 43%

Texas State 62%

so a very large % of students that applied to Texas State saw Texas State as an option they wanted to go with of they were accepted

and some might say that is because they had to end up and go there because there other choices were not available to them because they did not meet the admissions criteria (and that could be a discussion), but the reality is in Texas UTA, Texas State, UTSA, UH and north Texas state all have very similar admissions requirements and only UT, Texas A&M, UTD and Texas Tech have markedly higher GUARANTEED admissions requirements

of the ones listed UH now has the clear 5th highest requirements behind UT, Texas A&M, UTD and Texas Tech and after that the differences between Texas State, north Texas state and UTA are not really of consequence and with UTSA they have raised theirs, but they still have a firm level where a guaranteed review is in place at various class rankings

so the point is students that decided upon Texas State had a multitude of other state schools to choose from (about 30) if they were admitted to Texas State and still a very large % of them did in fact choose Texas State

so while I am not sure the increase in applications for 2013 would have been enough for Texas State to be 4th in number of applicants (or a decrease in the others) I still believe the point is valid that Texas State is a very popular option for a state school in Texas

Fify using the numbers from the link you provided. Thanks, next time look at your data closer.

UT 49% 47% admitted 49% enrolled

A&M 44% 67% admitted 44% enrolled

Texas Tech 39% here is the real acceptance :64% admitted and only 34% enrolled...looks like they chose a better school.

north Texas state 43% same as tech 64% admitted and 43% enrolled.

UH 37% really it's 56% admitted 37% enrolled

UTSA 43% actually it's 78% admitted and only 48% enrolled.

Texas State we accepted 66% and 62% enrolled

So the point is we accept about the same rate of applicants but have the highest % of applicants choosing to come to our university over others.

what in the hell are you talking about that is exactly what I posted.......next time learn how to read

and Texas Tech was 39% who were admitted that enrolled not what ever jumbled up mess you posted

where did you get 34% from for Tech there is not even a 34% on their entire listing

get a clue and learn to read because what I posted was 100% correct

the % of students admitted that actually enrolled including the correct figured of 39% for Texas Tech not the 34% you pulled from nowhere

and as for Tech specifically their guaranteed admissions are high enough that when students start to meet those metrics they also become a target of OU, OkState, and Arkansas and some other universities from out of state that waive out of state tuition and offer aggressive financial aid packages to lure students from Texas to their school that is not the case for the Texas public universities that have entrance metrics below Texas Tech because there is still a large drop off to UH and down from there
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RE: New enrollment numbers for 2013
ULM released enrollment today. Third straight year of growth and includes record number of first time freshman. In addition to record freshman enrollment, freshman class set record numbers in ACT scores with an overall ACT of 22.4 and students with a 30+ ACT tripled from 2012. The class also set record for highest GPA

Enrollment

ULM: 8,545 (2012 Fall) / 8,645 (2013 Fall) - Up 100
Tech: 11,360 (2012 Fall) / 11,014 (2013 Fall) - Down 346
ULL: 16,687 (2012 Fall) / 16,647 (2013 Fall) - Down 40
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RE: New enrollment numbers for 2013
(09-20-2013 07:52 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(09-19-2013 11:09 PM)TXST Bobcat2010 Wrote:  
(09-19-2013 03:09 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(09-19-2013 01:52 PM)slycat Wrote:  
(09-19-2013 01:31 PM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  We're actually still 5th in the state. We are just 653 students behind The University of North Texas. We should pass them in either the spring or in the fall of 2014. We're still about 5,000 behind Houston though. I'd like to see us get to about 45,000.

Fourth in applications not enrollment

based on the 2012 application numbers which can be found here

http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?s=T...&ct=1&ic=1

under admissions for the various universities Texas State would have to had about an 80% increase in applications to move into 4th

and while I will be the first to admit that website (being government) has false information and I can point to one instance of that right away it is more than likely a case of a keying mistake (or in this particular case a university that is known to present false information doing so)

either way 2012 applications listed on there are

UT 35,431

A&M 27,730

Texas Tech 18,027

north Texas state 17,140

UH 17,019

UTSA 14,650

Texas State 10,418


and just to be 100% clear number of applicants is really a meaningless number overall and to be even more clear the acceptance % of a university is a meaningless number as well since in the case of all these schools except UT and A&M when there is a guaranteed admissions system in place the only thing a lower acceptance % means is that you had a larger pool of unqualified applicants

acceptance % is one of the most abused and falsely used numbers in higher education because the number of applicants and the qualification of those applicants is 100% outside the control of the university period

and for the vast majority of state schools with guaranteed admissions policies in place they have to accept all that are qualified that apply and again there is no control by the university how many apply or how qualified they are

100% meaningless number period

what I would say does somewhat pertain to what is being discussed here is the number that were accepted that went ahead and decided to attend.....I believe the inference was that Texas State is becoming very popular and thus had a large number of applicants

I will agree 100% that Texas State is becoming very popular and I think what really shows that is the % of students that were accepted that enrolled

here is the % admitted that enrolled from the above list

UT 49%

A&M 44%

Texas Tech 39%

north Texas state 43%

UH 37%

UTSA 43%

Texas State 62%

so a very large % of students that applied to Texas State saw Texas State as an option they wanted to go with of they were accepted

and some might say that is because they had to end up and go there because there other choices were not available to them because they did not meet the admissions criteria (and that could be a discussion), but the reality is in Texas UTA, Texas State, UTSA, UH and north Texas state all have very similar admissions requirements and only UT, Texas A&M, UTD and Texas Tech have markedly higher GUARANTEED admissions requirements

of the ones listed UH now has the clear 5th highest requirements behind UT, Texas A&M, UTD and Texas Tech and after that the differences between Texas State, north Texas state and UTA are not really of consequence and with UTSA they have raised theirs, but they still have a firm level where a guaranteed review is in place at various class rankings

so the point is students that decided upon Texas State had a multitude of other state schools to choose from (about 30) if they were admitted to Texas State and still a very large % of them did in fact choose Texas State

so while I am not sure the increase in applications for 2013 would have been enough for Texas State to be 4th in number of applicants (or a decrease in the others) I still believe the point is valid that Texas State is a very popular option for a state school in Texas

Fify using the numbers from the link you provided. Thanks, next time look at your data closer.

UT 49% 47% admitted 49% enrolled

A&M 44% 67% admitted 44% enrolled

Texas Tech 39% here is the real acceptance :64% admitted and only 34% enrolled...looks like they chose a better school.

north Texas state 43% same as tech 64% admitted and 43% enrolled.

UH 37% really it's 56% admitted 37% enrolled

UTSA 43% actually it's 78% admitted and only 48% enrolled.

Texas State we accepted 66% and 62% enrolled

So the point is we accept about the same rate of applicants but have the highest % of applicants choosing to come to our university over others.

what in the hell are you talking about that is exactly what I posted.......next time learn how to read

and Texas Tech was 39% who were admitted that enrolled not what ever jumbled up mess you posted

where did you get 34% from for Tech there is not even a 34% on their entire listing

get a clue and learn to read because what I posted was 100% correct

the % of students admitted that actually enrolled including the correct figured of 39% for Texas Tech not the 34% you pulled from nowhere

and as for Tech specifically their guaranteed admissions are high enough that when students start to meet those metrics they also become a target of OU, OkState, and Arkansas and some other universities from out of state that waive out of state tuition and offer aggressive financial aid packages to lure students from Texas to their school that is not the case for the Texas public universities that have entrance metrics below Texas Tech because there is still a large drop off to UH and down from there

From your link click TT and then click on admissions. That's where I got the actual numbers for all of them. Your numbers were all over the place with only a few being correct. I put both the admitted % and enrolled% because those two numbers go hand and hand. If you have a high acceptance and low enrollment from that % it clearly means that all those students chose another option(school, work, military). The way you wrote it made it sound as if we're taking everyone and people are coming because they have no choice. The fact is we are a top choice and the numbers speak for themselves.

BTW where did you pull TT having only 34% of the 64% accepted. I can't find that number anywhere from TT admissions. It shows only 39% of those admitted actually ended up going to TT.
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(09-20-2013 11:25 AM)TXST Bobcat2010 Wrote:  From your link click TT and then click on admissions. That's where I got the actual numbers for all of them. Your numbers were all over the place with only a few being correct. I put both the admitted % and enrolled% because those two numbers go hand and hand. If you have a high acceptance and low enrollment from that % it clearly means that all those students chose another option(school, work, military). The way you wrote it made it sound as if we're taking everyone and people are coming because they have no choice. The fact is we are a top choice and the numbers speak for themselves.

BTW where did you pull TT having only 34% of the 64% accepted. I can't find that number anywhere from TT admissions. It shows only 39% of those admitted actually ended up going to TT.

once again are you "challenged" by chance?

1. what I posted was the % of students that were accepted that enrolled.......what exactly does that mean......well it means the percentage of students that decided to enroll in the university after they were accepted......how is it possible for you to not understand that

2. you claim my numbers were all over the place

lets go over those numbers

I had UT 49%........you had UT 49%

I had Texas A&M 44%.......you had Texas A&M 44%

I had Texas Tech 39% and you had the "real number" 34% even though there is not 34% listed for anything Texas Tech related on their link

I had north Texas state 43%......you had north Texas state 43%

I had UH 37%......you had UH 37%

I had UTSA 43%.......you had UTSA 48% (even though it very clearly says 43% on the link below)

http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?s=T...027#admsns

I had Texas State 62% you had Texas state 62%

so the only difference between what I posted and what you posted is that I understand the meaning of % of student that were accepted that enrolled, I got the 39% correct for Texas Tech and the 43% correct for UTSA while you had both of those numbers wrong and you included the acceptance % in your jumbled up mess of incorrectness

so again what we were discussing was that Texas State is becoming a very popular choice for students to attend.....I agreed with that sentiment, but I disagreed with the notion that Texas State was the university with the 4th most applications in Texas for 2013 and to support that (since there is no available data to support the 4th most applications claim) I provided information that showed Texas State would had to have about doubled their number of applications in a single year to become the university with the 4th most applications in Texas which I find improbable

BUT (here is where the tricky part seems to come in for you) I went and provided the % of students accepted that enrolled (you know the % of students that were admitted and then actually enrolled VS choosing another university) and I provided the actual correct % of students at the listed universities that were admitted that actually enrolled to show that Texas State was a university that a large % of students that were admitted actually decided to enroll at as well and I used this as a basis of conclusion that Texas State is seen as a place to not just apply, but to actually decide to enroll as well which could be one indication of popularity especially since those students that meet the admissions criteria for Texas State would have about 30 other Texas public universities to choose from

then you came along and did not seem to understand what % of admitted that enrolled meant and provided a jumbled mess of numbers including some that are incorrect for Texas Tech and UTSA along with the meaningless acceptance % figure as well in your mess of numbers

so again you were the one that had Texas Tech 34% and you (upon further investigation) had UTSA at 48% instead of 43% for students that decided to enroll after admission (or said another way % admitted that enrolled)

also I have taken the liberty of editing my prior response to you to highlight the inaccuracies in your response....strangely you had the number correct at first (as I did probably because you cut and pasted from my post), but you were so set on including the meaningless acceptance % and then re-including the same exact numbers again (with two inaccuracies) that you managed to get the numbers wrong next to ENROLLED all while ignoring the numbers I correctly posted matched with the numbers you were posting (less the two inaccuracies on your part of course)

you see the inclusion of the word THAT indicated there was a second action which is the addition of actually enrolling not just being admitted

so when it reads % of students accepted that enrolled it means students that were both admitted and then went ahead and enrolled

perhaps if I had written it % of students admitted, .......that enrolled

one could try and read it as meaning I was posting the % of students accepted followed by the % of students that also enrolled after acceptance.......but there was no , in my post and there was just a single set of numbers and thus anyone should have read it all as one thing with one number to indicate that.......especially those that bothered to click on the link and look at the numbers themselves and seeing they all matched up to the % of students accepted that enrolled
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