I flip off my TV every time they show Todd Graham.

i flip off Todd Graham.

It's 96 in Tempe and he's wearing a jacket.

May he suffer from heat stroke.

Todd is the TOAD and Manziel is the TOOL

Funny, I watched the Rice game on DVR and have Toad in the background as I type this. Looks a lot older than when he was at Rice.

Toad just got away with highway robbery again.

What a crazy ending.

Need to check and see if the zebras were Big 10 officials or Pac 12 officials. If Big 10 wouldn't be surprised if Delany slaps them a bit.

ESPN said they were Pac 10 officials.

I'm not sure I'd blame the officials looking at the replay. Did Wisconsin have a timeout left at that point? If so, why weren't they calling it on the sidelines? If they were out of timeouts, then it was just poor execution by Wisconsin on the spike play. And even if the officials weren't making things clear on the field as to what was happening, Wisconsin wouldn't have been able to get a field goal unit on the team with the clock running down. It clearly didn't look to be a dead ball to me.

Pac 12 officials - Wisconsin had zero time outs left.

If you're Wisconsin, don't you have to kick the FG after the first down completion with :18 (WR got out of bounds)? No time outs left, and the value/risk of trying to center the ball and line up/spike it with no timeouts obviously didn't work.

Regardless - situation appears to have been poorly executed by both the QB and officiating crew. I had a Wisconsin alumni buddy at the game - haven't heard back from him yet (guessing he's not quite ready to discuss).

(09-15-2013 08:47 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  Pac 12 officials - Wisconsin had zero time outs left.

If you're Wisconsin, don't you have to kick the FG after the first down completion with :18 (WR got out of bounds)? No time outs left, and the value/risk of trying to center the ball and line up/spike it with no timeouts obviously didn't work.

Regardless - situation appears to have been poorly executed by both the QB and officiating crew. I had a Wisconsin alumni buddy at the game - haven't heard back from him yet (guessing he's not quite ready to discuss).

The play call didn't make much since with no timeouts. The QB was lucky it wasn't ruled a fumble to begin with. Wisconsin had a shot and blew it. The refs screwed the call as well. They were trying to figure out whether or not it was a fumble and ran too much time off the clock. Everything would have had to be perfect if they play calling was going to work. It wasn't. Too bad.

That's the nice thing about having a solid kicker. With a Boswell, we kick from anywhere. Wisconsin wanted the kicker to have a straight shot. I believe he missed one earlier in the game or had a rough game the previous week.

(09-15-2013 08:23 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I'm not sure I'd blame the officials looking at the replay. Did Wisconsin have a timeout left at that point? If so, why weren't they calling it on the sidelines? If they were out of timeouts, then it was just poor execution by Wisconsin on the spike play. And even if the officials weren't making things clear on the field as to what was happening, Wisconsin wouldn't have been able to get a field goal unit on the team with the clock running down. It clearly didn't look to be a dead ball to me.

Wisconsin did not have a timeout..

If the official sets the ball and doesn't prevent them from snapping, they can easily spike the ball, stop the clock, and get the FG team on.

That was just poorly done by the officials, and the QB should take some blame as well with his awkwardness on that play, plus in that situation you don't just leave the ball on the ground, you hand it directly to the official.

(09-15-2013 08:47 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  Pac 12 officials - Wisconsin had zero time outs left.
If you're Wisconsin, don't you have to kick the FG after the first down completion with :18 (WR got out of bounds)? No time outs left, and the value/risk of trying to center the ball and line up/spike it with no timeouts obviously didn't work.
Regardless - situation appears to have been poorly executed by both the QB and officiating crew. I had a Wisconsin alumni buddy at the game - haven't heard back from him yet (guessing he's not quite ready to discuss).

We ran a play with :20 left against East Carolina in 2006 and then spiked it and made the FG to win. I thought that was pretty aggressive clock management and execution was pretty near perfect. This shows what can happen if you don't execute perfectly.

(09-15-2013 01:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 08:47 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  Pac 12 officials - Wisconsin had zero time outs left.
If you're Wisconsin, don't you have to kick the FG after the first down completion with :18 (WR got out of bounds)? No time outs left, and the value/risk of trying to center the ball and line up/spike it with no timeouts obviously didn't work.
Regardless - situation appears to have been poorly executed by both the QB and officiating crew. I had a Wisconsin alumni buddy at the game - haven't heard back from him yet (guessing he's not quite ready to discuss).

We ran a play with :20 left against East Carolina in 2006 and then spiked it and made the FG to win. I thought that was pretty aggressive clock management and execution was pretty near perfect. This shows what can happen if you don't execute perfectly.

Wisconsin executed about as perfectly as they could, but ASU just got away with some unsporting gamesmanship. If I were the whitecap, I would have flagged him for not only a delay of game, but perhaps a PUA as well.

(09-15-2013 06:47 PM)That Guy 2012 Wrote:  Wisconsin executed about as perfectly as they could, but ASU just got away with some unsporting gamesmanship. If I were the whitecap, I would have flagged him for not only a delay of game, but perhaps a PUA as well.

No, Wisconsin did not execute it perfectly. The QB set the ball down without taking a knee first. Then he wandered over to the ref instead of staying with the ball. Even if all else had worked, he wasn't in position to snap the ball before only about 4 seconds or less remained. I'm not sure that the correct interpretation was not that it was Arizona State's ball when their d-lineman jumped on it. I'll have to look at the rule, and the whistle did clearly blow, but there is an argument that it should have still been a live ball when the defender fell on the ball. No matter, the QB did not execute properly. He clearly did not understand the officials' mechanics for resetting the ball for play.

That being said, if the official ruled the play dead when the QB put the ball on the ground, he probably should have stopped the clock to unpile the Arizona State defenders who jumped on the ball. I don't think a penalty was in order because it really was not clear what the status of the play was. But that's the point--in that situation, you don't give the officials a chance to screw it up.

What I think it proves more than anything is just how difficult was the sequence we executed flawlessly at the end of that East Carolina game. Yes, we got a tremendous break when their receiver dropped a sure pass earlier, and we arguably got a break (although I think it was simply superior play) when Dillard outjumped the entire East Carolina secondary on fourth and a bunch just a few plays earlier. But we had to execute at the end or it would not have mattered. Wisconsin did not.

ETA: I have found a Twitter pic that makes it look as if he did get the knee on the ground before he placed the ball. But he still did not execute correctly. Don't give the officials a chance to blow it if you don't have to. If you can find a sequence of our end game versus ECU, look at the differences in mechanics.

(09-15-2013 07:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The QB set the ball down without taking a knee first.

Do you have any photo/video to back that up? I have yet to see any.



What I saw was that he set it down after the whistle, and set it so the umpire didn't have to waste time in setting the ball. He may have walked away immediately, but he and his offense were ready in formation in plenty of time.

(09-15-2013 07:15 PM)That Guy 2012 Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 07:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The QB set the ball down without taking a knee first.

Do you have any photo/video to back that up? I have yet to see any.



What I saw was that he set it down after the whistle, and set it so the umpire didn't have to waste time in setting the ball. He may have walked away immediately, but he and his offense were ready in formation in plenty of time.

Great picture. However, a freeze frame makes this much simpler than it was. Watching it live, it was very hard to tell whether or not the QB had downed the ball appropriately. If the back judge saw it clearly, he should have flagged the ASU player for staying on top of the ball for an extended period. Again, a very poorly executed and officiated play. Wisconsin should have had a shot at a FG.

(09-15-2013 07:15 PM)That Guy 2012 Wrote:  What I saw was that he set it down after the whistle, and set it so the umpire didn't have to waste time in setting the ball. He may have walked away immediately, but he and his offense were ready in formation in plenty of time.

Yes, that was the photo on which my ETA comment was based.

This isn't rugby. The QB does not set the ball for play. The official does. Therefore he should kneel and then give the ball to the official. He screwed up by setting the ball. If he gives it to the official, then the ASU players cannot jump on it. The he walked away, approaching what appears to be the referee. That delayed his being in position to snap the ball. He looked like he had gone over it thoroughly in meetings but had not spent enough time doing it on the field in practice.

I do think the official should have stopped the clock to unpile the Arizona State players. But the point is, don't give the officials a chance to screw it up.