(09-11-2013 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  group A: has the best chance
BYU
Air force
Colorado State
Utah State
Houston
Rice
Army
Navy
Idaho
Wyoming
New mexico
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

group B: has an outside chance
USF
UCF
new mexico state
UTEP

Other: (has a very small chance.....but still a chance)
uconn
umass
UNLV
nevada
memphis

everyone else: no chance
that includes temple & ecu

You lost me right around Idaho.

(09-11-2013 02:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 02:40 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Cincinnati?

no chance.....

but Idaho is in? LOL your a moron.

(09-11-2013 04:42 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  group A: has the best chance
BYU
Air force
Colorado State
Utah State
Houston
Rice
Army
Navy
Idaho
Wyoming
New mexico
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

group B: has an outside chance
USF
UCF
new mexico state
UTEP

Other: (has a very small chance.....but still a chance)
uconn
umass
UNLV
nevada
memphis

everyone else: no chance
that includes temple & ecu

You lost me right around Idaho.

I'll catch you up....they are a flagship school. Also they don't have 4 ACC schools that "dominate" the state legislature and the state fan base...not my view.

(09-11-2013 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  group A: has the best chance
BYU
Air force
Colorado State
Utah State
Houston
Rice
Army
Navy
Idaho
Wyoming
New mexico
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

group B: has an outside chance
USF
UCF
new mexico state
UTEP

Other: (has a very small chance.....but still a chance)
uconn
umass
UNLV
nevada
memphis

everyone else: no chance
that includes temple & ecu

let me guess...you're another butthurt old guard big east fan that is still seething that Cincy passed you up in the big east in a few short years? It's cool...there are a lot of you people running around with the words 'syracuse' and 'pitt' on your sweatshirts. Good luck in the ACC you're going to need it.

(09-11-2013 04:46 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:42 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  You lost me right around Idaho.

I'll catch you up....they are a flagship school. Also they don't have 4 ACC schools that "dominate" the state legislature and the state fan base...not my view.

Your right they just have Boise State breathing down their neck.....

I would say these schools have the best chance (and it's a really slim chance):

EAST
Cincinnati
UConn
USF
UCF
Army*
Navy*
Memphis (only if we're talking a full new conference, otherwise, no way)

WEST
BYU
Colorado State
Wyoming
New Mexico
Air Force*
Houston
SMU

* Football only, but the academies bring national markets.


[EDIT] Heck, add Memphis to that mix and create a new 14 school conference that could represent the bottom of a possible P6. Then the D4 can ride off into the sunset.

(09-11-2013 02:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 02:36 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 02:17 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The consensus is an expanded AAC with the relevant teams from the MWC has the best chance of making the hypothetical D4.

The debate is more who are the relevant MWC teams and what combination would work the best more than the general idea of a 6th conference.

and I 100% disagree with that

You might but we've discussed this many times before and the AAC+ some MWC schools is where this conversation always ends up.

Do other schools deserve a look yes? Overall is the P6 topic worth the time of debate, no not until more concrete information comes out or at least some new articles.

yeah dont worry I have a lengthy explanation for this list. I just want to first see the response. I can imagine some uconn & ecu fans voicing some strongly worded responses

I cant speak for the UConn and ECU fans, but as a Temple fan i will just say nope, no strong responses necessary. This list is simply your opinion and your entitled to that, as misguided as it may be.

Opinions are just like a@@holes, everyone has one, and they think everyone else's stinks but theirs.

The P5 plus service academies plus Notre Dame plus the best of the AAC/MWC will be in this new division. You can take that to the bank.

(09-11-2013 04:46 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:42 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  group A: has the best chance
BYU
Air force
Colorado State
Utah State
Houston
Rice
Army
Navy
Idaho
Wyoming
New mexico
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

group B: has an outside chance
USF
UCF
new mexico state
UTEP

Other: (has a very small chance.....but still a chance)
uconn
umass
UNLV
nevada
memphis

everyone else: no chance
that includes temple & ecu

You lost me right around Idaho.

I'll catch you up....they are a flagship school. Also they don't have 4 ACC schools that "dominate" the state legislature and the state fan base...not my view.

Thanks, but don't need to be "caught up". I got that Idaho is a state flagship, but considering the mode of thinking by the OP, one could ascertain that Montana, Hawaii, Connecticut, UMass, Maine, etc. etc. should be included or his point Idaho has enough pull with Oregon who they are a collective 3-52 against because they've played them 55 times to be invited to the D4 Dance.

The Tobacco Road Quartet could help us, but I don't see how they could stop us from moving up if it involved criteria similar to the Division split in '78.

(09-11-2013 04:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  The P5 plus service academies plus Notre Dame plus the best of the AAC/MWC will be in this new division. You can take that to the bank.

BYU?

(09-11-2013 05:01 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:46 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:42 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  group A: has the best chance
BYU
Air force
Colorado State
Utah State
Houston
Rice
Army
Navy
Idaho
Wyoming
New mexico
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

group B: has an outside chance
USF
UCF
new mexico state
UTEP

Other: (has a very small chance.....but still a chance)
uconn
umass
UNLV
nevada
memphis

everyone else: no chance
that includes temple & ecu

You lost me right around Idaho.

I'll catch you up....they are a flagship school. Also they don't have 4 ACC schools that "dominate" the state legislature and the state fan base...not my view.

Thanks, but don't need to be "caught up". I got that Idaho is a state flagship, but considering the mode of thinking by the OP, one could ascertain that Montana, Hawaii, Connecticut, UMass, Maine, etc. etc. should be included or his point Idaho has enough pull with Oregon who they are a collective 3-52 against because they've played them 55 times to be invited to the D4 Dance.

The Tobacco Road Quartet could help us, but I don't see how they could stop us from moving up if it involved criteria similar to the Division split in '78.

I agree. I also agree (assuming it's your point of view) that ECU is Big 3 in terms of NC fan bases...and that wake and duke do not dominate NC fan culture or legislature.

(09-11-2013 05:37 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 05:01 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:46 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:42 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  group A: has the best chance
BYU
Air force
Colorado State
Utah State
Houston
Rice
Army
Navy
Idaho
Wyoming
New mexico
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

group B: has an outside chance
USF
UCF
new mexico state
UTEP

Other: (has a very small chance.....but still a chance)
uconn
umass
UNLV
nevada
memphis

everyone else: no chance
that includes temple & ecu

You lost me right around Idaho.

I'll catch you up....they are a flagship school. Also they don't have 4 ACC schools that "dominate" the state legislature and the state fan base...not my view.

Thanks, but don't need to be "caught up". I got that Idaho is a state flagship, but considering the mode of thinking by the OP, one could ascertain that Montana, Hawaii, Connecticut, UMass, Maine, etc. etc. should be included or his point Idaho has enough pull with Oregon who they are a collective 3-52 against because they've played them 55 times to be invited to the D4 Dance.

The Tobacco Road Quartet could help us, but I don't see how they could stop us from moving up if it involved criteria similar to the Division split in '78.

I agree. I also agree (assuming it's your point of view) that ECU is Big 3 in terms of NC fan bases...and that wake and duke do not dominate NC fan culture or legislature.

Yeah, I'd agree. I can't speak to the total representation in the state legislature by each school, but with Wake and Duke being private and "small" attendance wise, we're right in there with UNC/NCSU. Politics plays a big role in it, we all know that, but finances and taxpayer money play a role as well and it would IMHO be pretty stupid for the legislature to allow East Carolina with its presence/influence in Eastern Carolina, to be left behind. I would think subsidies and the need for more by some schools would play into this as well. By no means am I saying that beyond a shadow of doubt that ECU would be in, but it's not just a matter of "those schools" or their reps in the legislature hating us if you will, that's going to keep us out.

(09-11-2013 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  group A: has the best chance
BYU
Air force
Colorado State
Utah State
Houston
Rice
Army
Navy
Idaho
Wyoming
New mexico
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

group B: has an outside chance
USF
UCF
new mexico state
UTEP

Other: (has a very small chance.....but still a chance)
uconn
umass
UNLV
nevada
memphis

everyone else: no chance
that includes temple & ecu

Stop trolling the AAC. Its a pathetic thing to do.

if duke & wf are too small to have a political impact then someone please explain to me how baylor managed to get into the b12 at its formation and got enough support during conf. realignment for fellow b12 schools to propose its inclusion into the pac16.

(09-11-2013 06:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if duke & wf are too small to have a political impact then someone please explain to me how baylor managed to get into the b12 at its formation and got enough support during conf. realignment for fellow b12 schools to propose its inclusion into the pac16.

Both the Governor and Lt. Governor at that time were Baylor grads.

(09-11-2013 07:26 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 06:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if duke & wf are too small to have a political impact then someone please explain to me how baylor managed to get into the b12 at its formation and got enough support during conf. realignment for fellow b12 schools to propose its inclusion into the pac16.

Both the Governor and Lt. Governor at that time were Baylor grads.

This, plus that was for Baylor's inclusion. Plus what's good for ECU is good for a large chunk of the state.

NC does not have Texas oil money where we can just afford to ignore revenue boosters. With ECU added in D4 it's a huge boost to the state that NC politicians can't ignore. While some will try, I believe the majority of them want what's best for the state of NC.

(09-11-2013 07:26 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 06:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if duke & wf are too small to have a political impact then someone please explain to me how baylor managed to get into the b12 at its formation and got enough support during conf. realignment for fellow b12 schools to propose its inclusion into the pac16.

Both the Governor and Lt. Governor at that time were Baylor grads.

so we are talking since in the early 90s when arkansas left, the mid 90s when the b12 was formed, & 2010 when the first round of realignment struck the b12. is that all the work of the same 2 guys? sure baylor had help but I dont think baylor could pull all that off so many times.

no disrespect to the bears but id say theres no way that duke doesnt have the same political pull within their state as well. dukes a pretty powerful school with their alumni base.

(09-11-2013 07:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 07:26 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 06:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if duke & wf are too small to have a political impact then someone please explain to me how baylor managed to get into the b12 at its formation and got enough support during conf. realignment for fellow b12 schools to propose its inclusion into the pac16.

Both the Governor and Lt. Governor at that time were Baylor grads.

so we are talking since in the early 90s when arkansas left, the mid 90s when the b12 was formed, & 2010 when the first round of realignment struck the b12. is that all the work of the same 2 guys? sure baylor had help but I dont think baylor could pull all that off so many times.

no disrespect to the bears but id say theres no way that duke doesnt have the same political pull within their state as well. dukes a pretty powerful school with their alumni base.

Not sure what you are talking about. Baylors political connections helped them once and only once. The entire episode came to head in early 1993. While talks for a full merger of the SWC and Big-8 were slowly proceeding, a back room deal was made to simply add Texas and Texas A&M to create a 10 team Big-8. As news of the move spread to Austin, Ann Richards, a Baylor alum, was able to arm twist to get Baylor included. A Texas Tech graduate, Bob Bulloch, was the Lt Governor (in Texas, the Lt Gov wields more power than the governor). Bulloch aided Richards in this endeavor in exchange for Texas Tech being included. The arm twisting basically consisted of threatening to torpedo major campus construction projects and funding formulas. It was lucky happenstance that those two schools had alumni in the right place at the right time. For instance, if the same thing occurred today, Houston wields more political power than either of those two schools and might have been the lucky lottery winner.

(09-11-2013 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  group A: has the best chance
BYU
Air force
Colorado State
Utah State
Houston
Rice
Army
Navy
Idaho
Wyoming
New mexico
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

group B: has an outside chance
USF
UCF
new mexico state
UTEP

Other: (has a very small chance.....but still a chance)
uconn
umass
UNLV
nevada
memphis

everyone else: no chance
that includes temple & ecu

This is an impressive troll job. He knew exactly what fan bases to go after and did it. Good work.

(09-11-2013 05:02 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 04:57 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  The P5 plus service academies plus Notre Dame plus the best of the AAC/MWC will be in this new division. You can take that to the bank.

BYU?

the source I heard said 'maybe' on BYU...not sure what the hang up with them is or is perceived to be. They def belong on all accounts.