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(09-11-2013 10:38 AM)Usajags Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 08:44 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  I remember playing USM in a home/home and in the New Orleans (Lafayette) bowl. They were the blue print football program for a small school. I used to wish we could be like Southern Miss. Crazy how things change so fast.

I'm sure Southern Miss looks around at the new CUSA and gets depressed. They used to play Louisville, Cinncinnati, Memphis, ECU, Tulane, Houston, Tulsa, . . . They are all gone. It's one thing to travel to Carolina to play ECU, but UNCC?

Once the $$ from the TV contract dries up and smaller conferences realize they can make more money from having good opponents, more regional conferences or divisions may come in vogue.

I figure USM fans would rather play UL, La Tech, ULM, USA, then F_U, UNCC, and ODU.

I don't think we will ever see CUSA schools come to the Belt, but I wouldn't be surprised if new conferences were formed in the next 5 years where teams from the East and Mid-South /South West splintered.

Exactly what I expect to see happen. They will leave the unsupported, unsuccessful programs behind and move towards a conference that people will actually care about.

I think there are five internal pressures on C-USA that will make it challenging to hold the league together.

1. Size. Keeping 14 presidents and 14 AD's and 14 football coaches and 14 basketball coaches happy is more challenging than 12 or 10.

2. UAB playing west. Forget the money, yeah a million bucks or so is nice but it isn't world changing. For schools like MTSU and WKU the patch and playing ODU, Charlotte and UAB is worth more than the distribution. UAB is playing football away from the schools it most wanted added to the league (MTSU, WKU, ODU, Charlotte). Those are the schools they will note in their basketball marketing but they will play them infrequently in football. Part of the benefit of a conference is having a basketball and football schedule that reinforce each other in marketing.

3. The Texas issue. As time wears on, I believe that you will see few championship events in Texas. Despite having UNT, UTSA, Rice, and UTEP the premier events (the basketball tournaments and baseball) aren't likely to be in DFW, Houston, and San Antonio. USM and UAB are unlikely to support any of those destinations over Nashville, Atlanta or Birmingham because those Texas locations are further away. La.Tech is the only non-Texas western division school that benefits geographically going to Texas (and then only Dallas is clearly closer, B'ham and Houston are about the same distance) and every public comment about C-USA, the folks in Ruston tend to invoke the name of USM, so they may be inclined to line up with USM on such votes.

4. The Bankowsky factor. He publicly endorsed going to 16. The leaks coming out of Irving indicated that he wanted two western members in order to permit UAB to go to its natural fit in the east. That move got hijacked by Wood Selig who wanted an east/west expansion and Bankowsky ended up with egg on his face. There is some speculation he wishes to retire. He has lost 16 members since taking the job in 2002. For comparison in the same time frame after taking the WAC commissioner position, Karl Benson saw 12 teams leave. There have also been rumors that he is being asked to consider relocating the league headquarters to either Atlanta, Nashville or Birmingham. If he leaves the selection of a replacement may pose some real challenges.

5. Television. The current deals expire with the 2016 season. If Fox successfully wins the Big 10 contract C-USA is of lesser importance. The caliber of their Saturday content will increase greatly. While Fox and CBS did not renegotiate the contract with the loss of Houston, SMU, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, UCF, ECU there are no assurances that a reduction in value won't happen in the next contract.
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
If Southern Miss left, the CUSA would just gobble up the Sun Belt and boot the losers like Georgia State back to the FCS.
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
SEC-lite isn't a bad idea. We all could field very competitive teams if we got the "SEC leftovers" that didn't want to go out of state or the South to go to Big 10, Big 12, MAC, AAC.

I would argue staying in the SEC footprint is a good thing.
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
(09-11-2013 11:26 AM)meangreener Wrote:  If Southern Miss left, the CUSA would just gobble up the Sun Belt and boot the losers like Georgia State back to the FCS.

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(09-11-2013 12:36 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 11:26 AM)meangreener Wrote:  If Southern Miss left, the CUSA would just gobble up the Sun Belt and boot the losers like Georgia State back to the FCS.

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Yeah youre a winner

At least we didn't drop money from the ceiling to get people to go to our games (still terribly attended), don't lose to division II teams, and aren't located in the hood.

First time in Atlanta I ended up going through Georgia State's """"campus"""" by accident and was stunned by the amount of bars on windows and hobos hitting me up for change. But to be fair, y'all have some awesome bail bonds places on campus.
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
(09-11-2013 12:36 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 11:26 AM)meangreener Wrote:  If Southern Miss left, the CUSA would just gobble up the Sun Belt and boot the losers like Georgia State back to the FCS.

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Yeah youre a winner

I really wish I knew where this sudden surge of arrogance and entitlement was coming from in a school that has literally accomplished next to nothing recently.
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(09-11-2013 12:46 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 12:36 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 11:26 AM)meangreener Wrote:  If Southern Miss left, the CUSA would just gobble up the Sun Belt and boot the losers like Georgia State back to the FCS.

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Yeah youre a winner

I really wish I knew where this sudden surge of arrogance and entitlement was coming from in a school that has literally accomplished next to nothing recently.

It could be that Georgia State has 10 wins total, no conference championships and shows no signs of improving whatsoever. Doesn't belong in FBS.

UTSA already looks promising, is definitely improving and has a hell of a fanbase...so, exactly. Georgia Southern and App State also apply.
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
so youre living vicariously through other in-state schools? how proud.
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(09-11-2013 12:50 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  so youre living vicariously through other in-state schools? how proud.

Tell me again about how you out gained UNT last year. Was that your Super Bowl?
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(09-11-2013 12:52 PM)meangreener Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 12:50 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  so youre living vicariously through other in-state schools? how proud.

Tell me again about how you out gained UNT last year. Was that your Super Bowl?

Tell me again about how you will go 4-8...

No wait...we can just see for ourselves in December 07-coffee3
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
(09-11-2013 12:52 PM)meangreener Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 12:50 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  so youre living vicariously through other in-state schools? how proud.

Tell me again about how you out gained UNT last year. Was that your Super Bowl?

Oh why bring this up? You know you got outplayed by a team in its fourth year of history. Congrats on the win. You were lucky to get it. Your team should have really taken it to us though. We had no depth and were ravaged by injury and didn't have as many scholarship players and UNT.

What happened: USA intercepted the ball and ran it back to the UNT 1 yard line. USA fumbled the ball out of bounds at the 1 yard line on the runback. The refs on the field ruled it went into the end zone and gave UNT the ball with a touchback. Video evidence showed the USA player fumbled the ball and it went out of bounds at the 1 yard line. It should have been 1st and goal USA ball at the UNT 1 yard line. Instead, UNT had the ball on the USA 20 yard line.

Here is Commissioner Benson on the issue:

"Instant replay was established to 'get calls right' that are questionable on the field. Our coaches, student athletes, and fans deserve quality performance in the instant replay booth just like they do from the officials on the field. South Alabama and ULM have received apologies and the two instant replay officials are hereby reprimanded."

Outcome: The refs were suspended and forbidden from doing postseason.

Congrats on beating USA. It seems you are mighty proud of that win.
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
(09-11-2013 11:26 AM)meangreener Wrote:  If Southern Miss left, the CUSA would just gobble up the Sun Belt and boot the losers like Georgia State back to the FCS.

Bzzt.

Incorrect.

Georgia State would be one of the first schools C-USA calls.


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(09-11-2013 12:43 PM)meangreener Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 12:36 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 11:26 AM)meangreener Wrote:  If Southern Miss left, the CUSA would just gobble up the Sun Belt and boot the losers like Georgia State back to the FCS.

1-11
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Yeah youre a winner

At least we didn't drop money from the ceiling to get people to go to our games (still terribly attended), don't lose to division II teams, and aren't located in the hood.

First time in Atlanta I ended up going through Georgia State's """"campus"""" by accident and was stunned by the amount of bars on windows and hobos hitting me up for change. But to be fair, y'all have some awesome bail bonds places on campus.

Seriously? You saw your conference brothers crowd for FIU-UCF and talk attendance smack to ANYONE outside of Division III?
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
Trolling UNT fan alert.

I think the most likely scenario is that some time in the not so distant future, A few teams in CUSA will begin to quietly work on forming a new league...one where they could be selective about who they invite. What you would probably see is a USM combine with a La Tech and UAB to try and bring in schools who they could sell to their fans, yet also bring in schools who would be more competitive and fit a more regional base.

I think that league would contain the top of the Sun Belt and CUSA, and probably sit around 10-12 teams. It would allow them to break from CUSA, without necessarily having to jump to the Sun Belt and compete with a couple programs their fans don't want.

Maybe something like this

USM
UAB
La Tech
ULL
Ark State
MTSU
WKU
Troy
USA

They'd probably bring in another school to get to 10.

Like it or not, this format would never happen in CUSA because schools like ODU would never allow a conference moved this far to the West, and other members would never agree to this many Belt schools playing in the league.
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
(09-11-2013 12:43 PM)meangreener Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 12:36 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 11:26 AM)meangreener Wrote:  If Southern Miss left, the CUSA would just gobble up the Sun Belt and boot the losers like Georgia State back to the FCS.

1-11
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Yeah youre a winner

At least we didn't drop money from the ceiling to get people to go to our games (still terribly attended), don't lose to division II teams, and aren't located in the hood.

First time in Atlanta I ended up going through Georgia State's """"campus"""" by accident and was stunned by the amount of bars on windows and hobos hitting me up for change. But to be fair, y'all have some awesome bail bonds places on campus.

Hilarious. So you're never actually been on our campus. Thanks
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
(09-11-2013 01:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Trolling UNT fan alert.

I think the most likely scenario is that some time in the not so distant future, A few teams in CUSA will begin to quietly work on forming a new league...one where they could be selective about who they invite. What you would probably see is a USM combine with a La Tech and UAB to try and bring in schools who they could sell to their fans, yet also bring in schools who would be more competitive and fit a more regional base.

I think that league would contain the top of the Sun Belt and CUSA, and probably sit around 10-12 teams. It would allow them to break from CUSA, without necessarily having to jump to the Sun Belt and compete with a couple programs their fans don't want.

Maybe something like this

USM
UAB
La Tech
ULL
Ark State
MTSU
WKU
Troy
USA

They'd probably bring in another school to get to 10.

Like it or not, this format would never happen in CUSA because schools like ODU would never allow a conference moved this far to the West, and other members would never agree to this many Belt schools playing in the league.

Looks about right, add ECU, Marshall and maybe Memphis and you are at 12.
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
(09-11-2013 01:57 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 01:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Trolling UNT fan alert.

I think the most likely scenario is that some time in the not so distant future, A few teams in CUSA will begin to quietly work on forming a new league...one where they could be selective about who they invite. What you would probably see is a USM combine with a La Tech and UAB to try and bring in schools who they could sell to their fans, yet also bring in schools who would be more competitive and fit a more regional base.

I think that league would contain the top of the Sun Belt and CUSA, and probably sit around 10-12 teams. It would allow them to break from CUSA, without necessarily having to jump to the Sun Belt and compete with a couple programs their fans don't want.

Maybe something like this

USM
UAB
La Tech
ULL
Ark State
MTSU
WKU
Troy
USA

They'd probably bring in another school to get to 10.

Like it or not, this format would never happen in CUSA because schools like ODU would never allow a conference moved this far to the West, and other members would never agree to this many Belt schools playing in the league.

Looks about right, add ECU, Marshall and maybe Memphis and you are at 12.

You would not go as far east as ECU or Marshall. More likely shift slightly west to add TxST, UTSA and UNT
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
(09-11-2013 01:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Trolling UNT fan alert.

I think the most likely scenario is that some time in the not so distant future, A few teams in CUSA will begin to quietly work on forming a new league...one where they could be selective about who they invite. What you would probably see is a USM combine with a La Tech and UAB to try and bring in schools who they could sell to their fans, yet also bring in schools who would be more competitive and fit a more regional base.

I think that league would contain the top of the Sun Belt and CUSA, and probably sit around 10-12 teams. It would allow them to break from CUSA, without necessarily having to jump to the Sun Belt and compete with a couple programs their fans don't want.

Maybe something like this

USM
UAB
La Tech
ULL
Ark State
MTSU
WKU
Troy
USA

They'd probably bring in another school to get to 10.

Like it or not, this format would never happen in CUSA because schools like ODU would never allow a conference moved this far to the West, and other members would never agree to this many Belt schools playing in the league.
Add Texas St, UTSA, UNT and Rice and you have a great league.
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RE: I was in Hattiesburg today.
(09-11-2013 02:54 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 01:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Trolling UNT fan alert.

I think the most likely scenario is that some time in the not so distant future, A few teams in CUSA will begin to quietly work on forming a new league...one where they could be selective about who they invite. What you would probably see is a USM combine with a La Tech and UAB to try and bring in schools who they could sell to their fans, yet also bring in schools who would be more competitive and fit a more regional base.

I think that league would contain the top of the Sun Belt and CUSA, and probably sit around 10-12 teams. It would allow them to break from CUSA, without necessarily having to jump to the Sun Belt and compete with a couple programs their fans don't want.

Maybe something like this

USM
UAB
La Tech
ULL
Ark State
MTSU
WKU
Troy
USA

They'd probably bring in another school to get to 10.

Like it or not, this format would never happen in CUSA because schools like ODU would never allow a conference moved this far to the West, and other members would never agree to this many Belt schools playing in the league.
Add Texas St, UTSA, UNT and Rice and you have a great league.

That would give the league 13 teams. I don't think you go higher than 12.
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(09-11-2013 03:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 02:54 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  
(09-11-2013 01:41 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Trolling UNT fan alert.

I think the most likely scenario is that some time in the not so distant future, A few teams in CUSA will begin to quietly work on forming a new league...one where they could be selective about who they invite. What you would probably see is a USM combine with a La Tech and UAB to try and bring in schools who they could sell to their fans, yet also bring in schools who would be more competitive and fit a more regional base.

I think that league would contain the top of the Sun Belt and CUSA, and probably sit around 10-12 teams. It would allow them to break from CUSA, without necessarily having to jump to the Sun Belt and compete with a couple programs their fans don't want.

Maybe something like this

USM
UAB
La Tech
ULL
Ark State
MTSU
WKU
Troy
USA

They'd probably bring in another school to get to 10.

Like it or not, this format would never happen in CUSA because schools like ODU would never allow a conference moved this far to the West, and other members would never agree to this many Belt schools playing in the league.
Add Texas St, UTSA, UNT and Rice and you have a great league.

That would give the league 13 teams. I don't think you go higher than 12.
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