TCU moved up 10 spots in the Top 100 to 82. That's a nice jump in that group.

(09-10-2013 01:52 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  ACC
7 Duke
18 Notre Dame
23 Virginia
23 Wake Forest
30 North Carolina
31 Boston College
36 Georgia Tech
47 Miami
62 Clemson
62 Syracuse
62 Pittsburgh
69 Virginia Tech
91 Florida State
101 NC State
161 Louisville
Average: 54.9

Big 10
12 Northwestern
28 Michigan
37 Penn State
41 Illinois
41 Wisconsin
52 Ohio State
62 Maryland
68 Purdue
69 Rutgers
69 Minnesota
73 Michigan State
73 Iowa
75 Indiana
101 Nebraska
Average 57.2

Pac 12
5 Stanford
20 Cal
23 UCLA
23 USC
52 Washington
86 Colorado
109 Oregon
119 Arizona
121 Utah
128 Washington State
142 Arizona State
142 Oregon State
Average: 80.8

SEC
17 Vanderbilt
49 Florida
60 Georgia
69 Texas A&M
86 Alabama
91 Auburn
97 Missouri
101 Tennessee
112 South Carolina
119 Kentucky
128 Arkansas
135 Louisiana State
142 Mississippi State
150 Mississippi
Average: 96.9

Big 12
52 Texas
75 Baylor
82 TCU
101 Iowa State
101 Kansas
101 Oklahoma
135 Kansas State
142 Oklahoma State
161 Texas Tech
170 WVU
Average: 112

American
52 Tulane
57 UConn
60 SMU
86 Tulsa
121 Temple
135 Cincinnati
170 UCF
170 USF
181 ECU
190 Houston
(207-261) Memphis
(12 Nat Lib Arts) Navy
Avg of those ranked: 122.2

I'll let someone else do the rest...

The median of the Pac 12, SEC and Big 12 is basically identical, 98, 99 and 101. ACC with its private schools is highest at 42, B1G at 65 and AAC at 135.

They're gonna have to rejigger their ranking criteria to keep USC from jumping over Cal. I realize they've made a lot of academic strides in the past decade or two, but seeing USC over Cal in an academic ranking would just be weird.

I think where you go to school at is quickly becoming irrelevant, especially in fields like IT. Honestly, at my job four new guys were hired; three of them had bachelors degree's and one had an associates degree. None of them knew the ---- what they were doing except the guy who went to community college.

(09-10-2013 10:56 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Are they still using the university presidents peer review as a category?

http://www.gainesville.com/assets/pdf/GS17003616.PDF

Dr. Mecham did not think very higly of any other school in Florida that year

Dr Machen (don't know about this Dr. Mecham guy. Did he take over for Dr. Machen perhaps?? UF is supposed to get a new prez soon with Machen retiring) also did not think very highly of any other SEC school except for Vandy and UF, and I can tell right now I disagree with a lot of his rankings!!
Per Gator fans, I learned that Dr. Machen was originally from Michigan and his Big Ten/Pac 12 bias shows in how he rates the Big Ten and Pac 12 teams and how he rates the SEC.

(09-10-2013 11:14 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Peer Assessment (the biggest joke ever as proved by UF's president) is still worth a full 22.5% of your ranking for National Schools according to their methodology.

If they want to keep this part of the rankings then every ballot should be made public.

agreed.

(09-10-2013 03:38 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I think where you go to school at is quickly becoming irrelevant, especially in fields like IT. Honestly, at my job four new guys were hired; three of them had bachelors degree's and one had an associates degree. None of them knew the ---- what they were doing except the guy who went to community college.

Well, you can't quite make that broad generalization. By the same token, there are quite a few fields (particularly high-paying ones like finance and consulting) where your school is extremely relevant. When I worked for one of the Big Four accounting/consulting firms, we had a list of specific target schools where we'd hire 20 or 30 people each from, but only 1 or 2 at the most (and usually none) from any school not on the target school list. (The target school list, by the way, was highly correlated with the US News ranking of the top undergrad business programs, if not an exact match.) That exact same approach was replicated by all of our competitors, and considering that these firms are all among the top 10 largest employers of college grads annually, it covers a pretty big swath of people. The investment banks, trading firms and management consulting firms are even more exclusionary.

So, sure, there are fields where your school doesn't matter, but there are plenty of fields where they matter a lot (and then subsequently impact your ability to get into a top MBA program or an executive-level position).

(09-10-2013 02:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-10-2013 01:52 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  ACC
7 Duke
18 Notre Dame
23 Virginia
23 Wake Forest
30 North Carolina
31 Boston College
36 Georgia Tech
47 Miami
62 Clemson
62 Syracuse
62 Pittsburgh
69 Virginia Tech
91 Florida State
101 NC State
161 Louisville
Average: 54.9

Big 10
12 Northwestern
28 Michigan
37 Penn State
41 Illinois
41 Wisconsin
52 Ohio State
62 Maryland
68 Purdue
69 Rutgers
69 Minnesota
73 Michigan State
73 Iowa
75 Indiana
101 Nebraska
Average 57.2

Pac 12
5 Stanford
20 Cal
23 UCLA
23 USC
52 Washington
86 Colorado
109 Oregon
119 Arizona
121 Utah
128 Washington State
142 Arizona State
142 Oregon State
Average: 80.8

SEC
17 Vanderbilt
49 Florida
60 Georgia
69 Texas A&M
86 Alabama
91 Auburn
97 Missouri
101 Tennessee
112 South Carolina
119 Kentucky
128 Arkansas
135 Louisiana State
142 Mississippi State
150 Mississippi
Average: 96.9

Big 12
52 Texas
75 Baylor
82 TCU
101 Iowa State
101 Kansas
101 Oklahoma
135 Kansas State
142 Oklahoma State
161 Texas Tech
170 WVU
Average: 112

American
52 Tulane
57 UConn
60 SMU
86 Tulsa
121 Temple
135 Cincinnati
170 UCF
170 USF
181 ECU
190 Houston
(207-261) Memphis
(12 Nat Lib Arts) Navy
Avg of those ranked: 122.2

I'll let someone else do the rest...

The median of the Pac 12, SEC and Big 12 is basically identical, 98, 99 and 101. ACC with its private schools is highest at 42, B1G at 65 and AAC at 135.

MWC would make sense to include since they have Big 12 candidates also a top and bottom ten of the rest.

(09-10-2013 05:57 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(09-10-2013 02:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-10-2013 01:52 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  ACC
7 Duke
18 Notre Dame
23 Virginia
23 Wake Forest
30 North Carolina
31 Boston College
36 Georgia Tech
47 Miami
62 Clemson
62 Syracuse
62 Pittsburgh
69 Virginia Tech
91 Florida State
101 NC State
161 Louisville
Average: 54.9

Big 10
12 Northwestern
28 Michigan
37 Penn State
41 Illinois
41 Wisconsin
52 Ohio State
62 Maryland
68 Purdue
69 Rutgers
69 Minnesota
73 Michigan State
73 Iowa
75 Indiana
101 Nebraska
Average 57.2

Pac 12
5 Stanford
20 Cal
23 UCLA
23 USC
52 Washington
86 Colorado
109 Oregon
119 Arizona
121 Utah
128 Washington State
142 Arizona State
142 Oregon State
Average: 80.8

SEC
17 Vanderbilt
49 Florida
60 Georgia
69 Texas A&M
86 Alabama
91 Auburn
97 Missouri
101 Tennessee
112 South Carolina
119 Kentucky
128 Arkansas
135 Louisiana State
142 Mississippi State
150 Mississippi
Average: 96.9

Big 12
52 Texas
75 Baylor
82 TCU
101 Iowa State
101 Kansas
101 Oklahoma
135 Kansas State
142 Oklahoma State
161 Texas Tech
170 WVU
Average: 112

American
52 Tulane
57 UConn
60 SMU
86 Tulsa
121 Temple
135 Cincinnati
170 UCF
170 USF
181 ECU
190 Houston
(207-261) Memphis
(12 Nat Lib Arts) Navy
Avg of those ranked: 122.2

I'll let someone else do the rest...

The median of the Pac 12, SEC and Big 12 is basically identical, 98, 99 and 101. ACC with its private schools is highest at 42, B1G at 65 and AAC at 135.

MWC would make sense to include since they have Big 12 candidates also a top and bottom ten of the rest.

In addition to the obvious biases, there is a fundamental bias toward smaller sized universities and to curriculums that push kids out in short order.

(09-10-2013 04:05 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-10-2013 03:38 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I think where you go to school at is quickly becoming irrelevant, especially in fields like IT. Honestly, at my job four new guys were hired; three of them had bachelors degree's and one had an associates degree. None of them knew the ---- what they were doing except the guy who went to community college.

Well, you can't quite make that broad generalization. By the same token, there are quite a few fields (particularly high-paying ones like finance and consulting) where your school is extremely relevant. When I worked for one of the Big Four accounting/consulting firms, we had a list of specific target schools where we'd hire 20 or 30 people each from, but only 1 or 2 at the most (and usually none) from any school not on the target school list. (The target school list, by the way, was highly correlated with the US News ranking of the top undergrad business programs, if not an exact match.) That exact same approach was replicated by all of our competitors, and considering that these firms are all among the top 10 largest employers of college grads annually, it covers a pretty big swath of people. The investment banks, trading firms and management consulting firms are even more exclusionary.

So, sure, there are fields where your school doesn't matter, but there are plenty of fields where they matter a lot (and then subsequently impact your ability to get into a top MBA program or an executive-level position).

Firms recruit at certain campuses and don't at others. Name schools get your foot in the door to interview after your first job. I guarantee I always looked at it in narrowing the field of who I would interview. If I see equal experience with a Big 10 school vs. NE SW Tech St., the Big 10 candidate will get the last interview. Fortune 100 companies are often very exclusive in where they recruit new people. It may vary by field, but its usually pretty limited.

(09-10-2013 01:52 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  ACC
7 Duke
18 Notre Dame
23 Virginia
23 Wake Forest
30 North Carolina
31 Boston College
36 Georgia Tech
47 Miami
57 UCONN
62 Clemson
62 Syracuse
62 Pittsburgh
69 Virginia Tech
91 Florida State
101 NC State
161 Louisville
Average: 54.9

Big 10
12 Northwestern
28 Michigan
37 Penn State
41 Illinois
41 Wisconsin
52 Ohio State
57 UCONN
62 Maryland
68 Purdue
69 Rutgers
69 Minnesota
73 Michigan State
73 Iowa
75 Indiana
101 Nebraska
Average 57.2

Pac 12
5 Stanford
20 Cal
23 UCLA
23 USC
52 Washington
57 UCONN
86 Colorado
109 Oregon
119 Arizona
121 Utah
128 Washington State
142 Arizona State
142 Oregon State
Average: 80.8

SEC
17 Vanderbilt
49 Florida
57 UCONN
60 Georgia
69 Texas A&M
86 Alabama
91 Auburn
97 Missouri
101 Tennessee
112 South Carolina
119 Kentucky
128 Arkansas
135 Louisiana State
142 Mississippi State
150 Mississippi
Average: 96.9

Big 12
52 Texas
57 UCONN
75 Baylor
82 TCU
101 Iowa State
101 Kansas
101 Oklahoma
135 Kansas State
142 Oklahoma State
161 Texas Tech
170 WVU
Average: 112

UConn fits in well on any P5 list. Pretty good for a little G5 school.

I'm floored PSU somehow got ahead of Illinois and Wisconsin. I guess when you pick off Princetonians, it makes you look big in the eyes of the college administrators.

Also, where's Hopkins in that Big Ten assessment?

(09-10-2013 04:05 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-10-2013 03:38 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I think where you go to school at is quickly becoming irrelevant, especially in fields like IT. Honestly, at my job four new guys were hired; three of them had bachelors degree's and one had an associates degree. None of them knew the ---- what they were doing except the guy who went to community college.

Well, you can't quite make that broad generalization. By the same token, there are quite a few fields (particularly high-paying ones like finance and consulting) where your school is extremely relevant. When I worked for one of the Big Four accounting/consulting firms, we had a list of specific target schools where we'd hire 20 or 30 people each from, but only 1 or 2 at the most (and usually none) from any school not on the target school list. (The target school list, by the way, was highly correlated with the US News ranking of the top undergrad business programs, if not an exact match.)

How many different places do you have to post this? I'm so thankful we have you here to put the "little people" / G5 fans in their place. We get it, you're B1G grad and a ******* genius.

(09-10-2013 05:57 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(09-10-2013 02:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-10-2013 01:52 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

The median of the Pac 12, SEC and Big 12 is basically identical, 98, 99 and 101. ACC with its private schools is highest at 42, B1G at 65 and AAC at 135.

MWC would make sense to include since they have Big 12 candidates also a top and bottom ten of the rest.

MWC:

Colorado State- 121
San Diego State- 152
Hawaii- 158
Wyoming- 161
New Mexico- 181
Nevada- 181
Utah State- 190
UNLV- Not published (somewhere in the 200's)

Air Force - Liberal Arts 25 (comparable to Holy Cross and Richmond)

Fresno State - Regional West 36
San Jose State - Regional West 36
Boise State- Regional West 65 (comparable to the worst academic schools in the Big Sky)

I believe by simply joining The ACC will boost UofL up in this useless poll just like it did FSU back in 1993 and that in itself is the problem. In 2009 CBS called the rankings a joke because they amount to no more than a "beauty contest." Same bias that exists in sports polls exists in these egg head polls. US News does this list to sell magazines and, of course, give the Nerds something to feel good about as they compare pocket protectors and sweater vests.

Bottom line is when ESPN starts paying millions of dollars to broadcast the debate team, I'll care about it.
CJ

(09-11-2013 11:26 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe by simply joining The ACC will boost UofL up in this useless poll just like it did FSU back in 1993 and that in itself is the problem. In 2009 CBS called the rankings a joke because they amount to no more than a "beauty contest." Same bias that exists in sports polls exists in these egg head polls. US News does this list to sell magazines and, of course, give the Nerds something to feel good about as they compare pocket protectors and sweater vests.

Bottom line is when ESPN starts paying millions of dollars to broadcast the debate team, I'll care about it.
CJ

Yes, just being in the ACC will cause you to rise. US News's methodology can be translated as follows:

1. How old is your university and how big is the endowment (endowment being somewhat a function of age as being 350 years old helps with your endowment as compared to a university that is only 150 years old) This means more money at play per student. This is a distinct edge for a Harvard, UNC, UVA, versus a Lousiville, FSU, even NC State.

2. How small is your university? A small number of seats, helps to gin up a higher selectivity scale. A small number of seats is also usually associated with an expensive private university, and many students are scared off due to the perceived cost, even in the university does FAFAS cost of admission pricing. Clemson elected to stay small a decade or so ago, and their seats have not grown with the State's population. You can game this by encouraging people to apply who have no change to get in and you can further game this by targeting out of state applications from the northeast.

Does the university allow you a first and/or second year general college that allows you to take classes without forcing you into a major as opposed to schools that force you into a major and then if you change majors, forces your to add a year or more to your stay. NC State for example is a very unforgiving STEM and changing majors is punitive, whereas you can glide along at UNC or Duke for two years before making a decision and majors typically are capped at just 30-36 hours, whereas a lot of NC State's STEM majors are plastered with co-requisites and pre-requisites that often gin up the hours need to 50-70.

Most importantly, the rankings only address undergraduate education and in most cases today, the undergraduate education is barely an entry into the door, you need a graduate degree or specialty to really make any money.

(09-11-2013 11:52 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:26 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe by simply joining The ACC will boost UofL up in this useless poll just like it did FSU back in 1993 and that in itself is the problem. In 2009 CBS called the rankings a joke because they amount to no more than a "beauty contest." Same bias that exists in sports polls exists in these egg head polls. US News does this list to sell magazines and, of course, give the Nerds something to feel good about as they compare pocket protectors and sweater vests.

Bottom line is when ESPN starts paying millions of dollars to broadcast the debate team, I'll care about it.
CJ

Yes, just being in the ACC will cause you to rise. US News's methodology can be translated as follows:

1. How old is your university and how big is the endowment (endowment being somewhat a function of age as being 350 years old helps with your endowment as compared to a university that is only 150 years old) This means more money at play per student. This is a distinct edge for a Harvard, UNC, UVA, versus a Lousiville, FSU, even NC State.

2. How small is your university? A small number of seats, helps to gin up a higher selectivity scale. A small number of seats is also usually associated with an expensive private university, and many students are scared off due to the perceived cost, even in the university does FAFAS cost of admission pricing. Clemson elected to stay small a decade or so ago, and their seats have not grown with the State's population. You can game this by encouraging people to apply who have no change to get in and you can further game this by targeting out of state applications from the northeast.

Does the university allow you a first and/or second year general college that allows you to take classes without forcing you into a major as opposed to schools that force you into a major and then if you change majors, forces your to add a year or more to your stay. NC State for example is a very unforgiving STEM and changing majors is punitive, whereas you can glide along at UNC or Duke for two years before making a decision and majors typically are capped at just 30-36 hours, whereas a lot of NC State's STEM majors are plastered with co-requisites and pre-requisites that often gin up the hours need to 50-70.

Most importantly, the rankings only address undergraduate education and in most cases today, the undergraduate education is barely an entry into the door, you need a graduate degree or specialty to really make any money.

Age isn't a problem for UofL. It was founded in 1798. The problem for UofL is it was a private university until the early 70's. Chadd Scott describes Louisville best when he wrote a piece on why ACC fans will love UofL:

"To understand the fans and the Louisville people, you must understand the University. The University of Louisville, especially since World War II, was designed to serve non-traditional college students. UL was a commuter school. It attracted adults with jobs and children and responsibilities outside of beer bongs and Frisbee golf. It attracted racial minorities unwelcome elsewhere, part-time students, residents finishing degree programs begun elsewhere and those sampling secondary education, perhaps the first in their family to do so. Those students don't typically impress U.S. News and World Report.

The University of Louisville wasn’t operating to attract national merit scholars and tenured professors earning $150,000 a year who spend only a fraction of their time in the classroom while they work on their fifth book no one has read. UL served the 34-year-old working mother of two who wants to complete her degree in order to earn a few thousand more dollars a year at work to support her family. That purpose is every bit as noble as the breathtaking research occurring at Duke or Georgia Tech.

The Louisville fans I’ve met, the Louisville people I’ve met, are representative of their University: good, decent, real, down-to-earth, easy-going, unpretentious, regular working people who love their Cardinals. No silver spoons here. No Reeds or Chivingtons or Garlands or Jaspers among this group. Lots of Marks and James and Franks and Tammys who love their Cardinals and exist in large enough numbers that Louisville will posses one of the biggest fan bases upon entering the ACC. UL won’t be another BC or Wake or Georgia Tech or Miami – ACC schools with fan-bases so tiny as to embarrass the conference by their (lack of) attendance at championship games and bowls.

The academic mission and clout of the University of Louisville has changed dramatically since its 1950’s-1980s commuter school roots. You can read more about that here. The Cardinals’ successful athletic programs and the pride they’ve instilled in the University have been a major catalyst into transforming UL from a much scoffed-at commuter school to an ascending urban research institution that's now a destination for top students across the country."

(09-11-2013 11:52 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  2. How small is your university? A small number of seats, helps to gin up a higher selectivity scale.

Another way that some private schools have manipulated the statistics reported to US News is by not offering admission to certain excellent students because they are likely to choose another school.

I read an article a few years ago that mentioned that several schools (IIRC Duke and Emory among them) ask on their applications for the names of the other schools the applicant has applied to. The way they use this information is that if they think the applicant is likely to go to one of the other schools they've applied to, they don't offer them admission -- because when you offer admission to a student who chooses another school, that lowers the percentage of offerees who choose your school, and hurts your US News ranking.

So, for example, if a student from New Hampshire applies to Duke, and mentions on their application that they have also applied to Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, and their grades and test scores are easily good enough to get offers of admission from HYP, then Duke will reject that application, not because the student isn't well-qualified (obviously they are very well qualified), but because Duke is pretty sure the student will choose one of HYP over Duke.

(09-11-2013 12:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Another way that some private schools have manipulated the statistics reported to US News is by not offering admission to certain excellent students because they are likely to choose another school.

I read an article a few years ago that mentioned that several schools (IIRC Duke and Emory among them) ask on their applications for the names of the other schools the applicant has applied to. The way they use this information is that if they think the applicant is likely to go to one of the other schools they've applied to, they don't offer them admission -- because when you offer admission to a student who chooses another school, that lowers the percentage of offerees who choose your school, and hurts your US News ranking.

So, for example, if a student from New Hampshire applies to Duke, and mentions on their application that they have also applied to Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, and their grades and test scores are easily good enough to get offers of admission from HYP, then Duke will reject that application, not because the student isn't well-qualified (obviously they are very well qualified), but because Duke is pretty sure the student will choose one of HYP over Duke.

Yeah, stuff like this has been happening for decades. I've also heard stories of collusion between schools like Bob and Sally both apply to Harvard and Yale. Harvard agrees to accept Bob and reject Sally and Yale rejects Bob and accepts Sally. Both schools end up with 100% yield. Not sure if there's any actual evidence that stuff like that happened or if it's just a myth. Wouldn't really surprise me if it did though.

Another thing elite private schools do to boost up their yield rates is to accept a larger % of their class from early admits. The early admit pool is typically more motivated and more likely to go to your school when accepted. The more you take out of the early app pool, the higher your overall yield rate becomes.

For anyone interested in the minutiae of college admissions, the collegeconfidential.com forums are a great place to absorb all the angst of panicked high school kids trying to get into colleges. Reading that forum you get a very good idea of how high school students themselves rank the colleges. You also become very familiar with acronyms like HYP/HYPSM.

(09-11-2013 12:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:52 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  2. How small is your university? A small number of seats, helps to gin up a higher selectivity scale.

Another way that some private schools have manipulated the statistics reported to US News is by not offering admission to certain excellent students because they are likely to choose another school.

I read an article a few years ago that mentioned that several schools (IIRC Duke and Emory among them) ask on their applications for the names of the other schools the applicant has applied to. The way they use this information is that if they think the applicant is likely to go to one of the other schools they've applied to, they don't offer them admission -- because when you offer admission to a student who chooses another school, that lowers the percentage of offerees who choose your school, and hurts your US News ranking.

So, for example, if a student from New Hampshire applies to Duke, and mentions on their application that they have also applied to Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, and their grades and test scores are easily good enough to get offers of admission from HYP, then Duke will reject that application, not because the student isn't well-qualified (obviously they are very well qualified), but because Duke is pretty sure the student will choose one of HYP over Duke.

Yeah, and this is something public institutions just can't do. If you're an out-of-state resident, schools like Virginia and Cal-Berkeley are almost as difficult to get into as anyone on the top of the list. The schools are structured/subsidized to give a significant degree of preference to in-state applicants. You can boast better numbers than the person living in the state, but it's the statey who gets in. Thus, their enrollment profile and admit rates are skewed.

I know in PA, the state school system (not the Commonwealth one of state-related institutions, which include PSU, Pitt, and Temple) was forced to pretty much admit any PA resident who had their diploma or GED and applied for state financial aid back in the 90's. Their perception tanked thereafter.

The Commonwealth schools, not fully public, who had the enrollment to do so, started making their satellite campuses into four-year institutions when, before, they were 2+2's for the main campus. The same legislation that "opened up" the state system to any and all in PA was also given to these schools, but they, unlike the state system ones, could deflect students away from their main campuses and into the satellites, thereby "salvaging" the enrollment profile and admit rate numbers for their main campuses that were used to "rank" the institutions (then used to prop up the value of the other campuses).

Jim, when I said age, I was too vague. I should have said something like "active" age at the highest level. That time period is tough to define with some universities.

For instance, Duke was Trinity College from the 1830's to the early 1920's, then old man Duke gave them the Duke Endowment and Trinity became the Duke we know of today during the 1930's.

NC State used was a land grant from 1873, but in 1917 the US Army came to campus and when they left in 1919, they literally took everything not nailed to the floors and walls. It was not until the 1932 consolidation of UNC, Women's College (UNC-G), and NC A&M College (NC State) that the current version of NC State really appeared.

FSU is even younger. They were a girls school until the end of WWII.

So a school like FSU or Louisville really have a history of building an endowment of less than 50 years. UNC and UVa have been doing it for over 175 years, while the old Ivies - Harvard/Yale/Penn have been at it nearly 300 years. Unless you have oil money like Texas or TAMU, or a sugar daddy like Leland Stanford, or James Duke, functional age and money inside the university are almost the same variable.