This guy has a typical Texan's mindset that the world starts, stops, and revolves around the state of Texas and that nothing else could possibly be better. Why would a coach want to go to Tennessee where they "have" to play Alabama, Florida, ect? Because they GET to play Alabama, Florida, ect! You beat those schools, and believe me a successful coach at Tennessee with their program very much can, and you've accomplished something other than being a big fish in a small pond beating up on little fish.

And have to pay the bills...

A debt in excess of $200 million will have most long-term thinkers thinking twice. They managed to roll up that deficit in the SEC of all places.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/59...00-million

(09-11-2013 06:31 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  And have to pay the bills...

A debt in excess of $200 million will have most long-term thinkers thinking twice. They managed to roll up that deficit in the SEC of all places.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/59...00-million

Tennessee has former AD, Mike Hamilton, to thank for that. Tennessee is still paying both Kiffin and Dooley, as well as paying Butch's salary. I'm pretty sure Fulmer has been paid off. But all those changes, without much success to speak of since, really put a damper on UT's earning power lately...

Butch Jones is only now rebuilding the bridges Lane Kiffin burnt, and Derek Dooley didn't stand a chance of doing that, even though he tried. But he wasn't his daddy, which is what everyone in Knoxville was hoping...

(09-11-2013 06:31 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  And have to pay the bills...

A debt in excess of $200 million will have most long-term thinkers thinking twice. They managed to roll up that deficit in the SEC of all places.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/59...00-million

Like many of the SEC schools Tennessee has some donors with significantly deep pockets. If they like what Jones is doing at UT they will make that 200 million disappear more quickly than you might think possible. I imagine the number got to 200 million because they withheld a bit of usually counted on support. And there was a train wreck at Tennessee in the athletic department to add tremendous fuel to that fire. Bruce Pearl, rumors pertaining to Bruce Pear and Pat Summit, Pat Summit's Alzheimers, a split over Fulmer's departure, everyone getting hyper pissed over Lane Kiffin's antics, division over the hire of Derek Dooley, a melt down and firing in Baseball, the slow loss of dominance in Women's basketball, and the utterly poor performance of their beloved Vol football team. As these events fade into memory and a semblance of normalcy returns Tennessee will be fine.

(09-11-2013 05:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:14 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 05:12 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I never said they didn't have the resources. I said it'd take a LOT of those resources. I said Strong wouldn't be interested in Texas and Texas wouldn't be interested in Strong.

Further more, Tennessee is a storied program in the SEC. While it may be down right now, it's not like it's a slouch gig by any means. What the question boils down to, is if you're a coach where would you rather coach? A storied program in the nation's best football conference, or a program that has plenty of history but in a weaker conference? My personal opinion, I'd take Tennessee over Texas all day every day. You'd choose otherwise. Good for you. What's the debate here? I get that you have a different opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. Further more, Strong is an SEC guy. He turned down an SEC school. I'm sure he'd rather have Tennessee over Texas if it came down to the two as well.

You said UT had limited resources to go after Strong. It appears you failed to take into acount the immense wealth of UT suporters. I do not recall you saying early on that Texas would not be interested in Strong.....I said that.

Tennessee has a storied program, so does Texas but that means little today. You personal opinion is you would take the Tennessee job over Texas. Well I think you will find you are in a distinct minority when it comes to coaches. I have heard several head coaches and analyst say Texas was the best coaching job in the nation and I believe by all measuring sticks it is.

Why would a coach prefer to coach in a conference where he has to beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina when he could coach in a conference where he was top dog with every advantage and more resources than probably any school in the nation.

The State of Tennessee has limited blue chip prospects, therefore Tennesse must recruit other states against stiff competetion. At UT you have pretty much your choice of the top recruits in one of the most prolific recruiting states in the nation.

Excuse me? Did you say Tennessee has limited blue chip recruits, and can't recruit enough good players from other states? You either haven't seen the recruiting rankings for Tennessee HS players, or the University of Tennessee's 2014 class (Rivals & Scout #2, ESPiN & 247sports #3). Either that, or you didn't have a clue when you decided to write that post. Whatever the case, your post was a classic example of open mouth and insert foot...

Tennessee's top recruit is 5 star RB Jalen Hurd from Nashville, TN. The Vols also have 3 recruits ranked 4 star who also hail from Tennessee. They also have recruits from AL, FL, GA, NC, VA, DC, MD, IL, TX, and CA. I don't see any of the problems you see, since the Vols are recruiting from most east coast states south of the Mason-Dixon line, and as far away as the west coast.

I know what I'm talking about when I talk about Tennessee. After all, the Vols TE coach, former WVU OL coach, Dave Johnson, is married to my wife's cousin...

I'm hoping he'll get me a sideline pass for the 3rd Saturday in October. At least that's the plan at present...

Nope....did you read my post?...if so please try again. I did not say Tennessee could not get good enough players from other states, I said they would be recruiting against stiff competetion, whereas Texas has more than enough in state recruits and UT usually gets pretty much who they want with out a great deal of effort. So many kids in Texas grow up wanting to play for UT, for example Johnny Manziel wanted to play for UT but they passed on him for another blue chip QB.

So Tennessee has one 5 star and 3 four star recruits from in state. Texas loads up every year with 5 star and 4 star recruits from within the state. I do not see how any informed person could think a coach would have an easier go recruiting at Tennessee versus recruiting at Texas.

You reinforced my point when you said Tennessee is recruiting coast to coast.....that means they are not filling all of their needs instate, and are likely facing stiff competetion for those nation wide recruits. Which is what I said.

Talk about a classic case of.....never mind I will not get into that.

(09-11-2013 06:24 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  This guy has a typical Texan's mindset that the world starts, stops, and revolves around the state of Texas and that nothing else could possibly be better. Why would a coach want to go to Tennessee where they "have" to play Alabama, Florida, ect? Because they GET to play Alabama, Florida, ect! You beat those schools, and believe me a successful coach at Tennessee with their program very much can, and you've accomplished something other than being a big fish in a small pond beating up on little fish.

Wrong ....I told you before, I am not a Texan and I am not a University of Texas fan.

(09-11-2013 07:30 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 05:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:14 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 05:12 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I never said they didn't have the resources. I said it'd take a LOT of those resources. I said Strong wouldn't be interested in Texas and Texas wouldn't be interested in Strong.

Further more, Tennessee is a storied program in the SEC. While it may be down right now, it's not like it's a slouch gig by any means. What the question boils down to, is if you're a coach where would you rather coach? A storied program in the nation's best football conference, or a program that has plenty of history but in a weaker conference? My personal opinion, I'd take Tennessee over Texas all day every day. You'd choose otherwise. Good for you. What's the debate here? I get that you have a different opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. Further more, Strong is an SEC guy. He turned down an SEC school. I'm sure he'd rather have Tennessee over Texas if it came down to the two as well.

You said UT had limited resources to go after Strong. It appears you failed to take into acount the immense wealth of UT suporters. I do not recall you saying early on that Texas would not be interested in Strong.....I said that.

Tennessee has a storied program, so does Texas but that means little today. You personal opinion is you would take the Tennessee job over Texas. Well I think you will find you are in a distinct minority when it comes to coaches. I have heard several head coaches and analyst say Texas was the best coaching job in the nation and I believe by all measuring sticks it is.

Why would a coach prefer to coach in a conference where he has to beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina when he could coach in a conference where he was top dog with every advantage and more resources than probably any school in the nation.

The State of Tennessee has limited blue chip prospects, therefore Tennesse must recruit other states against stiff competetion. At UT you have pretty much your choice of the top recruits in one of the most prolific recruiting states in the nation.

Excuse me? Did you say Tennessee has limited blue chip recruits, and can't recruit enough good players from other states? You either haven't seen the recruiting rankings for Tennessee HS players, or the University of Tennessee's 2014 class (Rivals & Scout #2, ESPiN & 247sports #3). Either that, or you didn't have a clue when you decided to write that post. Whatever the case, your post was a classic example of open mouth and insert foot...

Tennessee's top recruit is 5 star RB Jalen Hurd from Nashville, TN. The Vols also have 3 recruits ranked 4 star who also hail from Tennessee. They also have recruits from AL, FL, GA, NC, VA, DC, MD, IL, TX, and CA. I don't see any of the problems you see, since the Vols are recruiting from most east coast states south of the Mason-Dixon line, and as far away as the west coast.

I know what I'm talking about when I talk about Tennessee. After all, the Vols TE coach, former WVU OL coach, Dave Johnson, is married to my wife's cousin...

I'm hoping he'll get me a sideline pass for the 3rd Saturday in October. At least that's the plan at present...

Nope....did you read my post?...if so please try again. I did not say Tennessee could not get good enough players from other states, I said they would be recruiting against stiff competetion, whereas Texas has more than enough in state recruits and UT usually gets pretty much who they want with out a great deal of effort. So many kids in Texas grow up wanting to play for UT, for example Johnny Manziel wanted to play for UT but they passed on him for another blue chip QB.

So Tennessee has one 5 star and 3 four star recruits from in state. Texas loads up every year with 5 star and 4 star recruits from within the state. I do not see how any informed person could think a coach would have an easier go recruiting at Tennessee versus recruiting at Texas.

You reinforced my point when you said Tennessee is recruiting coast to coast.....that means they are not filling all of their needs instate, and are likely facing stiff competetion for those nation wide recruits. Which is what I said.

Talk about a classic case of.....never mind I will not get into that.

You might as well get into it. In case you were unaware, nearly every national power in football recruits the best from around the nation. Texas is the exception, not the rule...

And you should get out of the state more often, so you could understand that...

(09-11-2013 10:18 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 07:30 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 05:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:14 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 05:12 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I never said they didn't have the resources. I said it'd take a LOT of those resources. I said Strong wouldn't be interested in Texas and Texas wouldn't be interested in Strong.

Further more, Tennessee is a storied program in the SEC. While it may be down right now, it's not like it's a slouch gig by any means. What the question boils down to, is if you're a coach where would you rather coach? A storied program in the nation's best football conference, or a program that has plenty of history but in a weaker conference? My personal opinion, I'd take Tennessee over Texas all day every day. You'd choose otherwise. Good for you. What's the debate here? I get that you have a different opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. Further more, Strong is an SEC guy. He turned down an SEC school. I'm sure he'd rather have Tennessee over Texas if it came down to the two as well.

You said UT had limited resources to go after Strong. It appears you failed to take into acount the immense wealth of UT suporters. I do not recall you saying early on that Texas would not be interested in Strong.....I said that.

Tennessee has a storied program, so does Texas but that means little today. You personal opinion is you would take the Tennessee job over Texas. Well I think you will find you are in a distinct minority when it comes to coaches. I have heard several head coaches and analyst say Texas was the best coaching job in the nation and I believe by all measuring sticks it is.

Why would a coach prefer to coach in a conference where he has to beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina when he could coach in a conference where he was top dog with every advantage and more resources than probably any school in the nation.

The State of Tennessee has limited blue chip prospects, therefore Tennesse must recruit other states against stiff competetion. At UT you have pretty much your choice of the top recruits in one of the most prolific recruiting states in the nation.

Excuse me? Did you say Tennessee has limited blue chip recruits, and can't recruit enough good players from other states? You either haven't seen the recruiting rankings for Tennessee HS players, or the University of Tennessee's 2014 class (Rivals & Scout #2, ESPiN & 247sports #3). Either that, or you didn't have a clue when you decided to write that post. Whatever the case, your post was a classic example of open mouth and insert foot...

Tennessee's top recruit is 5 star RB Jalen Hurd from Nashville, TN. The Vols also have 3 recruits ranked 4 star who also hail from Tennessee. They also have recruits from AL, FL, GA, NC, VA, DC, MD, IL, TX, and CA. I don't see any of the problems you see, since the Vols are recruiting from most east coast states south of the Mason-Dixon line, and as far away as the west coast.

I know what I'm talking about when I talk about Tennessee. After all, the Vols TE coach, former WVU OL coach, Dave Johnson, is married to my wife's cousin...

I'm hoping he'll get me a sideline pass for the 3rd Saturday in October. At least that's the plan at present...

Nope....did you read my post?...if so please try again. I did not say Tennessee could not get good enough players from other states, I said they would be recruiting against stiff competetion, whereas Texas has more than enough in state recruits and UT usually gets pretty much who they want with out a great deal of effort. So many kids in Texas grow up wanting to play for UT, for example Johnny Manziel wanted to play for UT but they passed on him for another blue chip QB.

So Tennessee has one 5 star and 3 four star recruits from in state. Texas loads up every year with 5 star and 4 star recruits from within the state. I do not see how any informed person could think a coach would have an easier go recruiting at Tennessee versus recruiting at Texas.

You reinforced my point when you said Tennessee is recruiting coast to coast.....that means they are not filling all of their needs instate, and are likely facing stiff competetion for those nation wide recruits. Which is what I said.

Talk about a classic case of.....never mind I will not get into that.

You might as well get into it. In case you were unaware, nearly every national power in football recruits the best from around the nation. Texas is the exception, not the rule...

And you should get out of the state more often, so you could understand that...

Exactly...that is what I have been saying ...Texas does not have to recruit around the nation and that is why Texas is considered by many the best coaching job in the nation and better than Tennessee, which has to compete with nearly every national power for those national recruits. The point of this whole discussion has been which is the better job ...Texas or Tennessee. Gee Whiz....how many times do I have to say it. Do you thorughly read my posts, or just make knee jerk replies.

(09-11-2013 10:34 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 10:18 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 07:30 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 05:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:14 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  You said UT had limited resources to go after Strong. It appears you failed to take into acount the immense wealth of UT suporters. I do not recall you saying early on that Texas would not be interested in Strong.....I said that.

Tennessee has a storied program, so does Texas but that means little today. You personal opinion is you would take the Tennessee job over Texas. Well I think you will find you are in a distinct minority when it comes to coaches. I have heard several head coaches and analyst say Texas was the best coaching job in the nation and I believe by all measuring sticks it is.

Why would a coach prefer to coach in a conference where he has to beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina when he could coach in a conference where he was top dog with every advantage and more resources than probably any school in the nation.

The State of Tennessee has limited blue chip prospects, therefore Tennesse must recruit other states against stiff competetion. At UT you have pretty much your choice of the top recruits in one of the most prolific recruiting states in the nation.

Excuse me? Did you say Tennessee has limited blue chip recruits, and can't recruit enough good players from other states? You either haven't seen the recruiting rankings for Tennessee HS players, or the University of Tennessee's 2014 class (Rivals & Scout #2, ESPiN & 247sports #3). Either that, or you didn't have a clue when you decided to write that post. Whatever the case, your post was a classic example of open mouth and insert foot...

Tennessee's top recruit is 5 star RB Jalen Hurd from Nashville, TN. The Vols also have 3 recruits ranked 4 star who also hail from Tennessee. They also have recruits from AL, FL, GA, NC, VA, DC, MD, IL, TX, and CA. I don't see any of the problems you see, since the Vols are recruiting from most east coast states south of the Mason-Dixon line, and as far away as the west coast.

I know what I'm talking about when I talk about Tennessee. After all, the Vols TE coach, former WVU OL coach, Dave Johnson, is married to my wife's cousin...

I'm hoping he'll get me a sideline pass for the 3rd Saturday in October. At least that's the plan at present...

Nope....did you read my post?...if so please try again. I did not say Tennessee could not get good enough players from other states, I said they would be recruiting against stiff competetion, whereas Texas has more than enough in state recruits and UT usually gets pretty much who they want with out a great deal of effort. So many kids in Texas grow up wanting to play for UT, for example Johnny Manziel wanted to play for UT but they passed on him for another blue chip QB.

So Tennessee has one 5 star and 3 four star recruits from in state. Texas loads up every year with 5 star and 4 star recruits from within the state. I do not see how any informed person could think a coach would have an easier go recruiting at Tennessee versus recruiting at Texas.

You reinforced my point when you said Tennessee is recruiting coast to coast.....that means they are not filling all of their needs instate, and are likely facing stiff competetion for those nation wide recruits. Which is what I said.

Talk about a classic case of.....never mind I will not get into that.

You might as well get into it. In case you were unaware, nearly every national power in football recruits the best from around the nation. Texas is the exception, not the rule...

And you should get out of the state more often, so you could understand that...

Exactly...that is what I have been saying ...Texas does not have to recruit around the nation and that is why Texas is considered by many the best coaching job in the nation and better than Tennessee, which has to compete with nearly every national power for those national recruits. The point of this whole discussion has been which is the better job ...Texas or Tennessee. Gee Whiz....how many times do I have to say it. Do you thorughly read my posts, or just make knee jerk replies.

My personal opinion is that Tennessee is the better job right now. The Longhorns are losing their grip on the homeland.

SMUMustangs is trying to argue this as though it's a matter of fact, when it very honestly is not. It's all a matter of what, as a head coach, you're looking for. My original point in all of this is that Charlie Strong has ties to the SEC and would likely have considered a storied SEC program with the ability to coach and play against some of the best of the best in college football a better job than Texas. I was also pointing out that IF Strong were to attempt to hire Strong, which I also agreed they likely wouldn't but not for the snarky "they can do better" reason Mustangs gave, that it would cost them a substantial amount of money and that NOBODY operates on an "unlimited budget" mindset. I truly just don't understand why that is so damned difficult of a concept to grasp for this guy...

Also, Texas's grip on the in state talent in Texas and "being able to get pretty much who they want" is going to come crashing down in a big damned hurry now that recruits can go to A&M and play in the "Elite" conference. Being able to play against the likes of Alabama, Florida, LSU and having those schools come into your home as well is far sexier than Oklahoma State and WVU (no offense, Bit). The only other school in the BigXII that could compare would be Oklahoma and it's just one school.

(09-12-2013 05:59 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  SMUMustangs is trying to argue this as though it's a matter of fact, when it very honestly is not. It's all a matter of what, as a head coach, you're looking for. My original point in all of this is that Charlie Strong has ties to the SEC and would likely have considered a storied SEC program with the ability to coach and play against some of the best of the best in college football a better job than Texas. I was also pointing out that IF Strong were to attempt to hire Strong, which I also agreed they likely wouldn't but not for the snarky "they can do better" reason Mustangs gave, that it would cost them a substantial amount of money and that NOBODY operates on an "unlimited budget" mindset. I truly just don't understand why that is so damned difficult of a concept to grasp for this guy...

Also, Texas's grip on the in state talent in Texas and "being able to get pretty much who they want" is going to come crashing down in a big damned hurry now that recruits can go to A&M and play in the "Elite" conference. Being able to play against the likes of Alabama, Florida, LSU and having those schools come into your home as well is far sexier than Oklahoma State and WVU (no offense, Bit). The only other school in the BigXII that could compare would be Oklahoma and it's just one school.

Rabbit, our debate began when you said: "Tennesssee was a better coaching gig than Texas". Check the thread. I questioned you on that statement. That has been the debate, although you have tried to duck and dodge it by attacking me and SMU and talking about other peripheral issues.

You can say whatever you want. This is my last response to your posts. I have wasted too much time with you already.

(09-11-2013 10:34 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 10:18 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 07:30 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 05:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:14 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  You said UT had limited resources to go after Strong. It appears you failed to take into acount the immense wealth of UT suporters. I do not recall you saying early on that Texas would not be interested in Strong.....I said that.

Tennessee has a storied program, so does Texas but that means little today. You personal opinion is you would take the Tennessee job over Texas. Well I think you will find you are in a distinct minority when it comes to coaches. I have heard several head coaches and analyst say Texas was the best coaching job in the nation and I believe by all measuring sticks it is.

Why would a coach prefer to coach in a conference where he has to beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina when he could coach in a conference where he was top dog with every advantage and more resources than probably any school in the nation.

The State of Tennessee has limited blue chip prospects, therefore Tennesse must recruit other states against stiff competetion. At UT you have pretty much your choice of the top recruits in one of the most prolific recruiting states in the nation.

Excuse me? Did you say Tennessee has limited blue chip recruits, and can't recruit enough good players from other states? You either haven't seen the recruiting rankings for Tennessee HS players, or the University of Tennessee's 2014 class (Rivals & Scout #2, ESPiN & 247sports #3). Either that, or you didn't have a clue when you decided to write that post. Whatever the case, your post was a classic example of open mouth and insert foot...

Tennessee's top recruit is 5 star RB Jalen Hurd from Nashville, TN. The Vols also have 3 recruits ranked 4 star who also hail from Tennessee. They also have recruits from AL, FL, GA, NC, VA, DC, MD, IL, TX, and CA. I don't see any of the problems you see, since the Vols are recruiting from most east coast states south of the Mason-Dixon line, and as far away as the west coast.

I know what I'm talking about when I talk about Tennessee. After all, the Vols TE coach, former WVU OL coach, Dave Johnson, is married to my wife's cousin...

I'm hoping he'll get me a sideline pass for the 3rd Saturday in October. At least that's the plan at present...

Nope....did you read my post?...if so please try again. I did not say Tennessee could not get good enough players from other states, I said they would be recruiting against stiff competetion, whereas Texas has more than enough in state recruits and UT usually gets pretty much who they want with out a great deal of effort. So many kids in Texas grow up wanting to play for UT, for example Johnny Manziel wanted to play for UT but they passed on him for another blue chip QB.

So Tennessee has one 5 star and 3 four star recruits from in state. Texas loads up every year with 5 star and 4 star recruits from within the state. I do not see how any informed person could think a coach would have an easier go recruiting at Tennessee versus recruiting at Texas.

You reinforced my point when you said Tennessee is recruiting coast to coast.....that means they are not filling all of their needs instate, and are likely facing stiff competetion for those nation wide recruits. Which is what I said.

Talk about a classic case of.....never mind I will not get into that.

You might as well get into it. In case you were unaware, nearly every national power in football recruits the best from around the nation. Texas is the exception, not the rule...

And you should get out of the state more often, so you could understand that...

Exactly...that is what I have been saying ...Texas does not have to recruit around the nation and that is why Texas is considered by many the best coaching job in the nation and better than Tennessee, which has to compete with nearly every national power for those national recruits. The point of this whole discussion has been which is the better job ...Texas or Tennessee. Gee Whiz....how many times do I have to say it. Do you thorughly read my posts, or just make knee jerk replies.

How is Texas a better job than Tennessee, just because the state has a bunch more recruits than Tennessee? If it were that simple, a bunch of national powers never would have reached their current status, and Texas would be winning non-stop, like FSU used to do, no matter who was the coach...

Bit, if you really believe Tennessee is a better coaching job thanTexas, then LOL with that.

(09-12-2013 10:48 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Bit, if you really believe Tennessee is a better coaching job thanTexas, then LOL with that.

I simply think when you're talking about 2 schools with the history and success of Tennessee and Texas, talking about which job is better is STUPID...

You can laugh at me all you want. I've been laughing at you since you first commented on this thread...

Why did Saban jump from LSU to Bama?

I'm throwing that out there because, at the moment anyway, I think that is a similar comparison to Texas and Tennessee.

(09-12-2013 11:19 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  Why did Saban jump from LSU to Bama?

I'm throwing that out there because, at the moment anyway, I think that is a similar comparison to Texas and Tennessee.

He didn't. He left LSU for the NFL. When he failed there the Bama job came open.

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(09-12-2013 10:48 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Bit, if you really believe Tennessee is a better coaching job thanTexas, then LOL with that.

(09-12-2013 11:11 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 10:48 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Bit, if you really believe Tennessee is a better coaching job thanTexas, then LOL with that.

I simply think when you're talking about 2 schools with the history and success of Tennessee and Texas, talking about which job is better is STUPID...

You can laugh at me all you want. I've been laughing at you since you first commented on this thread...

I am not laughing at you. However, I am disappointed in your comments.....coming from a Moderator.

(09-12-2013 10:37 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  How is Texas a better job than Tennessee, just because the state has a bunch more recruits than Tennessee?

It's more than that. It's not just the mere fact of being within the state of Texas. No one is saying that SMU or Texas State is a better job than the Tennessee job. The Horns have more money than anyone, more of a hold on CFB fans within their football-crazy state than any other single team in any large state, and a more advantageous position within one of the top three talent states for recruits than any other team in a recruit-rich state has.

I put Tennessee in a group of teams that have a high profile, and are top dog in their own state, but have to recruit heavily out of state to build a winning roster and compete often against other big-name schools to get those out of state recruits. (Wisconsin is a good example of another team in this category.) It's more of a challenge for Tennessee to recruit 4-star players in Florida or Georgia than it is for the Horns to recruit 4-star players in Texas.

Tennessee a better job than Texas? Jesus, I think I've seen it all now.

I hate Bevo with a passion, I really do (well at least its fans) but I also accept the fact that there's only a few schools that have the pedigree of Texas and Tennessee is not one of them. Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida, USC, Michigan.....those are schools that can match up to Texas in prestige and resources. Tennessee is a fine school and they haven't been the same since Peyton Manning graduated and won the first NC in the BCS era with Tee Martin but they have sunk to levels where it will take time for them to go back to the top. I think Butch Jones will do a good job in Knoxville. Now if you have asked me in the late 90's which job was better, I would've said Tennessee without a doubt but now it's not even close to Texas.

UTEPDallas, you obviously haven't been paying attention. I never said Tennessee was a better job than Texas. But I don't think Texas is a better job than Tennessee. IMO they're about equal...

(09-12-2013 12:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 10:37 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  How is Texas a better job than Tennessee, just because the state has a bunch more recruits than Tennessee?

It's more than that. It's not just the mere fact of being within the state of Texas. No one is saying that SMU or Texas State is a better job than the Tennessee job. The Horns have more money than anyone, more of a hold on CFB fans within their football-crazy state than any other single team in any large state, and a more advantageous position within one of the top three talent states for recruits than any other team in a recruit-rich state has.

I put Tennessee in a group of teams that have a high profile, and are top dog in their own state, but have to recruit heavily out of state to build a winning roster and compete often against other big-name schools to get those out of state recruits. (Wisconsin is a good example of another team in this category.) It's more of a challenge for Tennessee to recruit 4-star players in Florida or Georgia than it is for the Horns to recruit 4-star players in Texas.

But that's not quite true. Texas has to fight against all the FBS schools in Texas, other B12 schools, and now SEC schools. The competition for recruits is just as tough for Texas as it is for Tennessee. They have a slight advantage being the University of Texas. But the advantage isn't what it used to be, and probably never will be again...