Scary Bad: UMass, Miami, Akron. CMU?

Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

Could be scary: NIU and BG. Maybe BSU.

To early to tell: EMU. WMU (dreaded loss after playing MSU). Ohio. Kent.

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

UB: Their season could go either direction. I wonder with an easier schedule if UB would not have been the surprise of the MAC?? Does UB quit after two extremely tough games??

(09-09-2013 01:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

Toledo has Eastern Washington this week, an FCS program that is much better than the FCS team they played last year. Rockets could be 0-3 if they don't prepare more. After Eastern Washington, the Rockets have Central Michigan I think and I wish it were the other way around at this point. I wish Toledo had two weeks to prep for EW because their QB is crazy.

But to your point about the schedule...after these first couple weeks, I have gotten really excited about seeing Toledo this year. I agree with what you saw against Missouri. By the play and size, etc., you wouldn't have known the two teams were from two different conferences. I am sure that I'm in the minority here and among Rocket fans, but I'd rather see the Rockets play 4 OOC games against strong to great SEC and ACC teams each year even if it means going 0-4 the first few years. That is what Toledo needs to continue to build its program. It can worry about becoming bowl eligible once MAC play rolls around but I feel that 0-4 the first couple years would turn into a 1-3, 2-2, etc. and help to bring in talented recruits.

(09-08-2013 05:43 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 07:46 AM)axeme Wrote:  My highly detailed rankings

1. NIU, BG, Ball St.
2. Toledo, Ohio, Kent St.,
3. CMU and maybe Buffalo (It's almost impossible to tell yet how good or bad Buffalo is.)
4. UMass, Akron, Miami, WMU, EMU

I think it's impossible to meaningfully differentiate among the teams in each group yet. That there are five teams that look really, really bad is not good. Two or three always are there, but five? Let's hope one or two of them improve dramatically. In Akron, Miami, and WMU's case, I hope that would be after we play them, not before or when we play them.

Ax... I would put UT in group 1. They look athletic and improved on D. Get some production out of QB they will be a tough out. Noticed no veteran back up at QB all freshman.

These are the two freshmen QBs that we got last year in order of location on the depth chart. Woodside was recruited less but came in early to learn the system last spring, giving him a leg up on Julian. I've heard nothing but great things about both of them and that Julian is going to have a "special" career at UT.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/toledo/football/...IF9_ihXeZ_

http://rivals.yahoo.com/toledo/football/...qK13.hXeZ_

By the way, all of those AQ offers were still out to Julian at the end of his recruitment. Up until the last week or so, it was down to NCST, Wisconsin, and Toledo. Also, they were both 3* QBs on signing day. Today is the first day that I realized they were changed to 2* for some reason.

I'm not so sure that starting to mix Woodside in some now would even hurt us this year. I say that without seeing him play at all and only going by what I've heard but I do know that TOs play seems to be the Rockets' only downfall right now.

(09-09-2013 01:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Scary Bad: UMass, Miami, Akron. CMU?

Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

Could be scary: NIU and BG. Maybe BSU.

To early to tell: EMU. WMU (dreaded loss after playing MSU). Ohio. Kent.

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

UB: Their season could go either direction. I wonder with an easier schedule if UB would not have been the surprise of the MAC?? Does UB quit after two extremely tough games??

Ohio state wa snot bad but that Baylor game was a real kick in the mouth.

I hope the team does not have quit because our next games are

Stony Brook
WMU
UMass
EMU
UConn

We have a shot at being 5-2 by the time we hit the meat of our schedule.

(09-09-2013 02:07 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 01:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Scary Bad: UMass, Miami, Akron. CMU?

Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

Could be scary: NIU and BG. Maybe BSU.

To early to tell: EMU. WMU (dreaded loss after playing MSU). Ohio. Kent.

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

UB: Their season could go either direction. I wonder with an easier schedule if UB would not have been the surprise of the MAC?? Does UB quit after two extremely tough games??

Ohio state wa snot bad but that Baylor game was a real kick in the mouth.

I hope the team does not have quit because our next games are

Stony Brook
WMU
UMass
EMU
UConn

We have a shot at being 5-2 by the time we hit the meat of our schedule.

I think you have a GREAT shot at being 5-2. Great lineup in the next 5!

(09-09-2013 02:15 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 02:07 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 01:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Scary Bad: UMass, Miami, Akron. CMU?

Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

Could be scary: NIU and BG. Maybe BSU.

To early to tell: EMU. WMU (dreaded loss after playing MSU). Ohio. Kent.

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

UB: Their season could go either direction. I wonder with an easier schedule if UB would not have been the surprise of the MAC?? Does UB quit after two extremely tough games??

Ohio state wa snot bad but that Baylor game was a real kick in the mouth.

I hope the team does not have quit because our next games are

Stony Brook
WMU
UMass
EMU
UConn

We have a shot at being 5-2 by the time we hit the meat of our schedule.

I think you have a GREAT shot at being 5-2. Great lineup in the next 5!

WMU is the only road game in that stretch. If UB can get their * together after that Baylor loss Kent can be a game that Buffalo goes into looking for their sixth win.

We also have a history of playing Ohio well in Amherst and Miami is looking pretty beatable at this point. That thanksgiving day game at the Ralph against bowling green could *MAYBE* be meaningful in the east.

(09-09-2013 02:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  We also have a history of playing Ohio well in Amherst and Miami is looking pretty beatable at this point.

Why don't you guys just play it in Buffalo or Athens?

(09-09-2013 02:27 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 02:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  We also have a history of playing Ohio well in Amherst and Miami is looking pretty beatable at this point.

Why don't you guys just play it in Buffalo or Athens?

Cause UB's stadium is in Amherst NY..

(09-09-2013 03:18 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 02:27 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 02:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  We also have a history of playing Ohio well in Amherst and Miami is looking pretty beatable at this point.

Why don't you guys just play it in Buffalo or Athens?

Cause UB's stadium is in Amherst NY..

Ahhhh I see.

That makes a little more sense then.

(09-09-2013 02:15 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 02:07 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 01:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Scary Bad: UMass, Miami, Akron. CMU?

Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

Could be scary: NIU and BG. Maybe BSU.

To early to tell: EMU. WMU (dreaded loss after playing MSU). Ohio. Kent.

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

UB: Their season could go either direction. I wonder with an easier schedule if UB would not have been the surprise of the MAC?? Does UB quit after two extremely tough games??

Ohio state wa snot bad but that Baylor game was a real kick in the mouth.

I hope the team does not have quit because our next games are

Stony Brook
WMU
UMass
EMU
UConn

We have a shot at being 5-2 by the time we hit the meat of our schedule.

I think you have a GREAT shot at being 5-2. Great lineup in the next 5!

The TWO bad, bad upset possibilities are UT vs. E. Wash and UB vs. Stony Brook.

I'm in Vegas and if I see a line on those 2 games I'm going FCS teams.

I think UT and UB shot themselves in the feet (plural).

UT might recover. They have enough talent. UB???

(09-09-2013 07:51 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 02:15 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 02:07 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 01:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Scary Bad: UMass, Miami, Akron. CMU?

Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

Could be scary: NIU and BG. Maybe BSU.

To early to tell: EMU. WMU (dreaded loss after playing MSU). Ohio. Kent.

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

UB: Their season could go either direction. I wonder with an easier schedule if UB would not have been the surprise of the MAC?? Does UB quit after two extremely tough games??

Ohio state wa snot bad but that Baylor game was a real kick in the mouth.

I hope the team does not have quit because our next games are

Stony Brook
WMU
UMass
EMU
UConn

We have a shot at being 5-2 by the time we hit the meat of our schedule.

I think you have a GREAT shot at being 5-2. Great lineup in the next 5!

The TWO bad, bad upset possibilities are UT vs. E. Wash and UB vs. Stony Brook.

I'm in Vegas and if I see a line on those 2 games I'm going FCS teams.

I think UT and UB shot themselves in the feet (plural).

UT might recover. They have enough talent. UB???

The last time we played Stony Brook was 2010 and we were a far worse team then than now. UB Beat them 35-7

I'm a bit concerned that Brook has 4 good linemen from alst years squad and Marcus Coker behind them. I could see the Wolves doind an ok to good job running the ball.

But passing (our defeensive weakness) is not their offensive strength.

Also I don't see them stopping our passing game. Rhode Island ate them up and would have competed were it not for three fumbles. (Bob Bentsen was 25 for 34 and 224 yards) imagince what Licata can do to them.

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2013/9/9/470963...tony-brook

I expect UB to win by at least two scores (10-14 points) but hey its been a wierd 455 year for FCS teams.

I also don't think UT loses. As good as E Washington is Toledo, like UB, is going to be damn hungry come Saturday.

(09-09-2013 01:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Scary Bad: UMass, Miami, Akron. CMU?

Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

Could be scary: NIU and BG. Maybe BSU.

To early to tell: EMU. WMU (dreaded loss after playing MSU). Ohio. Kent.

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

UB: Their season could go either direction. I wonder with an easier schedule if UB would not have been the surprise of the MAC?? Does UB quit after two extremely tough games??

What kind of garbage is this? You put CMU in the "scary bad" when they beat a good FCS and got blown out by UofM. EMU got blown out by PSU and came from behind to beat an average-bad FCS team. WMU freaking lost to Nicholl's State!!!!! They are an absolutely awful FCS team yet you have them in "too early to tell"?

That literally makes no sense. I see you're biased for EMU, but it doesn't really make sense to say CMU is scary bad (?) and then have WMU in too early to tell. Along with EMU who snuck past an average FCS team in too early to tell.

(09-09-2013 02:36 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 01:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Scary Bad: UMass, Miami, Akron. CMU?

Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

Could be scary: NIU and BG. Maybe BSU.

To early to tell: EMU. WMU (dreaded loss after playing MSU). Ohio. Kent.

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

UB: Their season could go either direction. I wonder with an easier schedule if UB would not have been the surprise of the MAC?? Does UB quit after two extremely tough games??

What kind of garbage is this? You put CMU in the "scary bad" when they beat a good FCS and got blown out by UofM. EMU got blown out by PSU and came from behind to beat an average-bad FCS team. WMU freaking lost to Nicholl's State!!!!! They are an absolutely awful FCS team yet you have them in "too early to tell"?

That literally makes no sense. I see you're biased for EMU, but it doesn't really make sense to say CMU is scary bad (?) and then have WMU in too early to tell. Along with EMU who snuck past an average FCS team in too early to tell.

Pretty passionate post about be properly ranked as "bad". We both suck dude. Relax.

(09-09-2013 03:27 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Pretty passionate post about be properly ranked as "bad". We both suck dude. Relax.

Sorry boss, CMU has a good football tradition. Especially dominating the MAC for some time. Having 2 bad seasons, then winning a bowl game last year, I do not settle for my team to "suck". I know that's a different story at EMU and I am sorry to say that.

It was just a plainly biased post to put EMU and WMU in too early to tell, while CMU is "bad" section. The guy obviously did not watch or even look at the games. EMU and WMU would both lose to UNH.

Western Michigan deserves the last spot, and will until they win a conference game.

They lost to Nicholls State, by far the worst FCS "top conference" team over the last two years.

From 2011-before Saturday, they were 2-21, with the two wins being against the same tiny NAIA college (Evangel, MO).
They have been outscored 396-872 in that time frame, with 115 of the points scored against Evangel.

(09-09-2013 04:16 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 03:27 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Pretty passionate post about be properly ranked as "bad". We both suck dude. Relax.

Sorry boss, CMU has a good football tradition. Especially dominating the MAC for some time. Having 2 bad seasons, then winning a bowl game last year, I do not settle for my team to "suck". I know that's a different story at EMU and I am sorry to say that.

It was just a plainly biased post to put EMU and WMU in too early to tell, while CMU is "bad" section. The guy obviously did not watch or even look at the games. EMU and WMU would both lose to UNH.

Whatever helps you stay confident after squeaking by an FCS team. I'm well aware of our tradition, as well as yours. Doesn't change the fact that we are both bad this year. Miami has a better tradition than y'all do, yet they might be worse than us. I see no reason to even bring "tradition" up.

Miami got outgained by Kentucky 675-122. How can we not be 13th??

(09-09-2013 09:39 PM)DICK Wrote:  Miami got outgained by Kentucky 675-122. How can we not be 13th??

Give it time

(09-09-2013 02:36 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 01:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Scary Bad: UMass, Miami, Akron. CMU?

Scary Schedulers: UT, UB: Florida, Missouri, OSU, and Baylor. Ouch!! Back to back too. :(

Could be scary: NIU and BG. Maybe BSU.

To early to tell: EMU. WMU (dreaded loss after playing MSU). Ohio. Kent.

To early to tell II: I think UT will be good but hey they aren't a BCS team so don't schedule like one. I saw much of the Mizzou game and UT wasn't overmatched. Owns made some costly plays to doom a very good effort.

UB: Their season could go either direction. I wonder with an easier schedule if UB would not have been the surprise of the MAC?? Does UB quit after two extremely tough games??

What kind of garbage is this? You put CMU in the "scary bad" when they beat a good FCS and got blown out by UofM. EMU got blown out by PSU and came from behind to beat an average-bad FCS team. WMU freaking lost to Nicholl's State!!!!! They are an absolutely awful FCS team yet you have them in "too early to tell"?

That literally makes no sense. I see you're biased for EMU, but it doesn't really make sense to say CMU is scary bad (?) and then have WMU in too early to tell. Along with EMU who snuck past an average FCS team in too early to tell.

If you look at my post I have a "?" after CMU.

I gave WMU some credit for a good effort against MSU.

Maybe I am reading too much into CMU's loss to UofM.

I watched the EMU/PSU game and it was competitive for 3 quarters. That impressed me. I was also impressed by EMU's 4th quarter vs. Howard, a 21 - 0 blanking.

Maybe I should have moved CMU to the "too early to tell..." group?

Quote:Maybe I should have moved CMU to the "too early to tell..." group?

I'd say that's accurate. Our new RS Frosh QB is about to play his first collegiate road game in the Pacific time zone. Tough set of cirucmstances, even though UNLV does not look scary. I THINK our D is improved over last season -- we are forcing turnovers and getting some semblance of a pass rush -- but it's tough to be sure with only Michigan and an FCS school, albeit a good one, in the rearview mirror. We could still finish anywhere from 4-8 to 9-3. May be a wild ride.