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Lookism comes under attack
Anything for more gov't regulations

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Quote:The galloping injustice of “lookism” has not escaped psychologists, economists, sociologists, and legal scholars. Stanford law professor Deborah L. Rhode’s 2010 book, “The Beauty Bias,” lamented “the injustice of appearance in life and law,” while University of Texas, Austin economist Daniel Hamermesh’s 2011 “Beauty Pays,” recently out in paperback, traced the concrete benefits of attractiveness, including a $230,000 lifetime earnings advantage over the unattractive.

Still, the issue has generated few serious solutions. Though to a surprising degree, we agree on who is attractive and who isn’t, differences in looks remain largely unmentionable, unlike divisions of race, gender, disability, sexual orientation. There is no lobby for the homely. How do you change a discriminatory behavior that, even though unfair, is obviously deep, hard to pin down, and largely unconscious—and affects people who would be hurt even to admit they’re in the stigmatized category?

Tentatively, experts are beginning to float possible solutions. Some have proposed legal remedies including designating unattractive people as a protected class, creating affirmative action programs for the homely, or compensating disfigured but otherwise healthy people in personal- injury courts.

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Quote:How to fix this problem depends on what kind of problem, exactly, you think it is. A number of scholars see it as fundamentally a civil-rights issue, with the unattractive a class of people who are provably and consistently discriminated against. It’s an idea that seems poised to resonate beyond the academy: A 2004 survey conducted by an economist and a legal scholar found more people reporting that they’d been discriminated against based on their looks than on their ethnicity.

The Constitution forbids employment discrimination on the basis of things like race, sex, and religion, but only a few jurisdictions have tried to add appearance to the list, starting with the parts of appearance you can measure.

Quote:There will be resistance, obviously, to changing the status quo to account for our bias toward beauty. A few industries have made an open case for hiring attractive employees. If customers or clients are attracted to beautiful people, they point out, then it’s perfectly rational to hire them, particularly for sales or front-office positions.

But that kind of pragmatism doesn’t hold water for many advocates. “To say that hiring salespeople who are attractive is good for business is the same argument whites made for hiring whites only during the early civil rights era,” Rhode pointed out. The law no longer allows airlines to cater to the preferences of male business travelers with all-female steward staff, for example, so why is looks-based discrimination acceptable just because customers may prefer it?
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This is actually too freakin' funny.

I've always wondered if being considered unqualified for a job could be labeled as a form of discrimination.
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Throwing the 'look' card?

National Association for the Advancement of Homely People?

"Nerd" the new n-word?

If someone says that Kate Upton is hotter than Roseanne Barr, is he a lookist?
09-06-2013 08:42 AM
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Well, that was weird. Some people are attractve and some people are not attractive. Nothing new there. No need to legislate attractiveness.
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This reminded me of actual experiences I have had but the most representative was back in the 1980s, I ran a company that manufactured equipment used by banks for the filing of cashed checks. When you visited these back office operations, it was quite apparent that the least attractive women were in check filing while the good looking were working as tellers.
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And you'll notice that most women in sales tend to be attractive. A client is more likely to be schmoozed into opening up the corporate wallet when sitting across from a hottie.

Which is why I tend to see plenty of fine-looking women at airports - salespeople travel a lot (Though through the years, I found that I could never quite find myself sitting next to one on a plane. It's usually the 'big boned' dude spilling over into my seat).
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(09-06-2013 08:51 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  And you'll notice that most women in sales tend to be attractive. A client is more likely to be schmoozed into opening up the corporate wallet when sitting across from a hottie.

Which is why I tend to see plenty of fine-looking women at airports - salespeople travel a lot (Though through the years, I found that I could never quite find myself sitting next to one on a plane. It's usually the 'big boned' dude spilling over into my seat).

Yep, hot women all over the airport but never one in the seat next to me. lol
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Damn that Seinfeld. 03-wink

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Hold on a second....don't they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Beauty is only skin deep? Ugly people actually do get married and don't die virgins. I think Moochelle is uglier than a bag of hammers and she got married. Whoopi Goldberg is just hard to look at. I wouldn't call Anthony Weiner good looking but he seems to be raking in the babes. Eric Holder is funny looking and he has a good job and a family. Is the author implying that unless I marry an ugly beast and hire mirror crackers I'm somehow shallow or discriminating?

Let the market decide, put all the ugly babes in whore houses and see how they do.
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You ever see an ugly Pharma sales rep?

I just want to say that I've worked at very professional companies where I am floored at the beauty of 8 out of 10 new hires. I cannot imagine that is just the luck of the draw. And even if you ain't good lookin' you're not fat, that's for sure.
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(09-06-2013 09:15 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hold on a second....don't they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Beauty is only skin deep? Ugly people actually do get married and don't die virgins. I think Moochelle is uglier than a bag of hammers and she got married. Whoopi Goldberg is just hard to look at. I wouldn't call Anthony Weiner good looking but he seems to be raking in the babes. Eric Holder is funny looking and he has a good job and a family. Is the author implying that unless I marry an ugly beast and hire mirror crackers I'm somehow shallow or discriminating?

Let the market decide, put all the ugly babes in whore houses and see how they do.

Moochele looks like Arsenio Hall as a tranny.

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(09-06-2013 09:15 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hold on a second....don't they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Beauty is only skin deep? Ugly people actually do get married and don't die virgins. I think Moochelle is uglier than a bag of hammers and she got married. Whoopi Goldberg is just hard to look at. I wouldn't call Anthony Weiner good looking but he seems to be raking in the babes. Eric Holder is funny looking and he has a good job and a family. Is the author implying that unless I marry an ugly beast and hire mirror crackers I'm somehow shallow or discriminating?

Let the market decide, put all the ugly babes in whore houses and see how they do.

Well, we all know at some point other things replace looks when it comes to attractiveness. The primary thing being $$$$$.
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Yea, round up all the good looking people. I will volunteer to incarcerate the females. All I do is give.
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(09-06-2013 01:17 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Yea, round up all the good looking people. I will volunteer to incarcerate the females. All I do is give.

If we ever get to the point where being ugly is considered a legal bonafide disability, well, that will be freakin' hilarious.
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Can see welfare mothers looking for ugly fathers to father their kids now.
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(09-06-2013 01:21 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Can see welfare mothers looking for ugly fathers to father their kids now.

That will just create more ugly offspring to perpetuate the cycle.
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Would give new meaning to:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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(09-06-2013 01:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 01:21 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Can see welfare mothers looking for ugly fathers to father their kids now.

That will just create more ugly offspring to perpetuate the cycle.

Leftists hate evolution/natural selection.
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(09-06-2013 02:08 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 01:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 01:21 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Can see welfare mothers looking for ugly fathers to father their kids now.

That will just create more ugly offspring to perpetuate the cycle.

Leftists hate evolution/natural selection.

Republican women are generally more attractive than Democrat women.

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(09-06-2013 01:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 01:17 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Yea, round up all the good looking people. I will volunteer to incarcerate the females. All I do is give.

If we ever get to the point where being ugly is considered a legal bonafide disability, well, that will be freakin' hilarious.

As you can see, under any lookism laws I would not qualify as "disabled":

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